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Will the profiles be affected after this or is it still possible for them to get upgraded to Low 1-C
this crt is concluded. Any concerns will be answered in the ben 10 discussion thread.
Still possible. But anything related to scaling characters is being saved for another thread of mine. This one is just about the cosmologyWill the profiles be affected after this or is it still possible for them to get upgraded to Low 1-C
Man, it took you too long to ask one or possibly 2 question you said you'll week agoReiner but I’ll begin responding to this now.
Doesn’t matter. He doesn’t own the franchise anymore. He isn’t acting in an official capacity.Duncan says that Twitter is their central for QnA's
He used to, and he posted those when he was in charge, it is still valid.Doesn’t matter. He doesn’t own the franchise anymore. He isn’t acting in an official capacity.
He'll be Low 1C regardless.Shouldn't Alien X profile changer to 2-B possibly 2-A since this seems concluded?
Good argumentLow 1-c alien x even tho 3d kevin can perceive him
Ssshhh, you weren't suppose to reveal it.Actually anti-feat
Till I see the upgrade thread.He'll be Low 1C regardless.
Ant said the thread has been concluded over what Donttalkdt decided over the thread, it's only Open for the one question kukui told he want to ask, if I can answer it, I'll, if not then it can't be helped. The thread has been concluded.My bad. Alright let's not derail.
You'll see magicTill I see the upgrade thread.
Does matter. At that time he and his Co writers still did own Ben 10 and I'm pretty sure he was still around in the 2016 reboot I'm more intrigued that you said Duncan doesn't own Ben 10 anymore since when?Doesn’t matter. He doesn’t own the franchise anymore. He isn’t acting in an official capacity.
Hold on. Where has this been said?Ant said the thread has been concluded over what Donttalkdt decided over the thread,
If the magic is logical that is.You'll see magic
Hmm. Given the ambivalent answer above, can each side provide the concrete evidence for their arguments, so I can notify DontTalk about it afterwards and he can make a final decision here, please?Even if, then it would still sound more like the collection of dimensions is infinite in size, rather than the number of dimensions being infinite.
Honestly, I really don't know. I feel like the best evidence of all those presented is Holiday's and I'm not sure if that's enough for a "possibly" for me.
I guess I might be leaning to a possibly being fine.
Sure no problem. Im currently typing a response now as well so I can do this too.Hmm. Given the ambivalent answer above, can each side provide the concrete evidence for their arguments, so I can notify DontTalk about it afterwards and he can make a final decision here, please?
Everything has been provided Ant, holiday statement, WOG and all, there was nothing more than it and nothing left after it and yet DT response was he is fine with possibly 2-A or either leaning, there is basically no reason or anything he said about him changing his opinion, he just said he is leaning towards 2A being fine, that's all to it, the thread was only decided to stay opened for evaluation, the discussion was already long done. There is nothing about the number of dimensions more on any side.Hmm. Given the ambivalent answer above, can each side provide the concrete evidence for their arguments, so I can notify DontTalk about it afterwards and he can make a final decision here, please?
Ant, the very thing here in question was not that if universe contains more than one dimension or not. But if the Dimensions mentioned by doctor holiday are in-universe dimensions or not. You, me and everyone is aware of doctor holiday statement and @DontTalkDT is fine with those dimensions being considered inside universe but not sure if "infinite" was literal or flowery. That's all there is.Yes, DontTalk did not provide a clear viewpoint here yet.
From the comic, Doctor holiday statement was supported by Ben as well while running away in hurry, ben said to Rex, There are millions of dimensions, how did you find this earth?
The same statement and reason for why should Rex never be able to reach Ben's dimension given by Doctor holiday but just amount of dimensions mentioned is different in the comic and yes it's secondary canon as has been accepted already. From here it was accepted that universe has "2B, possibly 2A" as Ben could be throwing a random number to show how big the universe is (has been done in alot of fiction, such as crises of infinite earth's) as he was in too hurry unlike Doctor holiday who gave that statement calmly and based off calculation.
But later on Universe is infinite statement came from WOG as universe is ben 10 is more like a multiverse of dimensions and everytime universe has been mentioned in the series it had included the dimensions inside it considered together.
I have big issues with the reasoning used to claim that Ben's universe is more that 1 universe.
I see no reason to believe the Space Beyond contains any & all kinds of realities rather than universes similar to Ben's own universe; If it has all "Branch Universe Clusters" then this only tells us that that's where you can see branches of the universe, weird dimensions w/o regular space, stars, planet Earth and the human race aren't branches of the universe, that would only refer to alt./parallel universes that all come from a same og universe ("og" as in since ancient times og, not the og series).
When the universe clusters get detroyed and only No Watch Ben's universe cluster remains it doesn't mean that each universe has other dimensions, but that they were not targeted.
The idea of ignoring how Rex's universe is a universe because that's from his show and not said is the crossover when both are canon to each other doesn't make any level of sense at all, it's a universe, it doesn't have a Ben with a watch, wanna know why? Because both separated shows do their own things and that can create inconsistencies, the short version is just "it's an inconsistency". Things like beings being banished "from the universe itself" into Null Void explicitly mean that pocket dimension isn't in the universe, when we used an inconsistent technicality to claim otherwise, ignoring the other reason that makes that wrong. One thing is a verse being able to have 1 universe with many dimensions in it, another whole other thing is to make that up when it's not stated and is contradicted by those dimensions being outside the universe/time/space.
I'm sure some will think, if not necessarily say, that why doesn't the Space Beyond have other realities other than "our universe"-like universes, that if it shows those shouldn't it show everything? No. That's a headcanon, the place that has universes but in present tense can have whatever rules the writers felt like, non-"our universe"-like universes too can have whatever rules in terms of positioning/structure and what makes their names all not just "universe" if some are sometimes called that. It's not mandatory that if you are in some place that's the space between universes it has to also be the space between dimensions when there's any implied difference in value between univeres and dimension.
No reason that she refers to the universe rather than the multiverse. Also it refers to Ben's universe as a dimension even though right below you have the Null Void as an alt. dimension.
Well, this link doesn't work.
There are 2 ways to take this. 1) It's an inconsistency, as the Null Void is away from the universe, so Kevin got that wrong. 2) Due to being a pocket dimenison, Kevin thinks it to be inside the universe. Maybe it being away and inside the universe are accurate in different ways.
He is calling the Null Void a universe, it doesn't matter how it's the first time. Similar to it, you do take in dimension and universe to refer to Ben's universe, you should have no issue with this alt. dimension being called a universe too.
It exists between dimensions, no reason for it to be part of the known universe.
That's not a reasonable take from that at all, this wonder of the universe are this aliens that have this special ability, the dimensions they use isn't part of the universe.
Kevin in AF was aware of it in OV? Again Kevin was wrong in that same scene.
Again that's not a reasonable take from that at all. She only searched for his car in the universe, when she searched in that dimension she found it. That's how finding things you lost works, you find them where you didn't look for them before.
We don't know which parallel worlds he meant. Before you made a point on how the Null Void was never called a universe yet if Ben refers to it as a parallel world here then that may or may not make it similar to Rex's universe. Aside from assuming which dimensions he meant, "which are in-universe Dimensions in Ben 10" is not even something from the link and so you have no reason to say it.
Part of this is made up. The dimensional disruptor's function is found similar by Ben to the Null Void gun, which amounts to how he saw it do something vaguely similar, which amounts to nothing. "A device that is only capable of connecting in-universe dimensions" is made up, nowhere does it say so. Nowhere does "in-universe dimensions" ever appear, or how the range of the dimensional disruptor is limited.
An alt. dimension is separated from other dimensions, Ben's universe is a dimension by the series' rules. Yet it's claimed that they're in the same universe. The info used and not used is selective.
That comes out of nowhere, regular space means the Null Void's regular space, there is no such thing as an inter-dimensional realm. The Null Void's regular space is either the odd-colored space character regularly walk in and breathe in, or a different outer space that's unlike that space, and is more regular. This proves nothing. Also the least of my issues but why would this card be canon?
Well, that doesn't necessarily mean that Kevin knew it by then. But I can believe that he did.
Is this a thing or you just say it?
The fact that she found the car in another dimension proves she has Interdimensional range in that, not that the dimension is part of the universe. Heck even by the cosmoligy you support she would still have Interdimensional range.
This is completely nonsensical, there is no "Occam's Razer" and "all this things has been referred as in-universe" here. The universe containing more than one dimension is the conclusion you grabbed in before knowing all the facts. Logic is enough evidence.
Looking into this those energy cores are things mostly in the universe, so if Max says that in the universe, he's correct, if Max says that in Anur phaetos, he's correct too, as all of them are destroyed in the universe, not mattering how the last one was destroyed outside of it. This is a meaningless thing to use as evidence when the other info we got on this place is that it's outside Ben's dimension/universe.
Ben finds the dimensional disruptor to be like the Null Void gun, to have Ben say this the thing simply has to be vaguely similar. That's all, they don't need to have as much of a limited range. This is very basic.
"A device that is only capable of connecting in-universe dimensions" is made up, as nowhere does it communicate any of that. "In-universe dimensions" was always made up, it never showed up anywhere. How the range of the dimensional disruptor is limited is stated nowhere.
I disagree with what you agree with, the accuracy of the numerous times this was dealt with before is challenged. I can work off all the info we have with no theories and then conclude how everything works, which just has what Kevin says there as an outlier, you need to have what you buy into already as a premise to justify everything and don't know the sheer amount of outliers it creates.
That is completely unreasonable, you need to say that because of what you buy into. In any other verse any random person would correctly affirm that a dimension and an alt. dimension aren't in the same dimension w/o dealing all these nonsensical standards.
Elaborate.
Well, that's vague.
That is completely unreasonable, you need to say that because of what you buy into. In any other verse any random person would correctly know that teleporting into another dimension is Interdimensional range and that this dimension is not in the regular universe.
Can't work with this.
There are 20 mcguffins across the universe, minus the last one which is in another dimension. You destroyed the last one but you don't know that, I confirm that you destroyed all the mcguffins in the universe. You don't need to find them anymore, your work is done. Doesn't mean all of them were in the universe.
Do we have a blog like the one I went over above?
Why would Kevin know this dimension?
No, I didn't. You can call any reality whatever you want, if you call one a universe and a dimension then they're both, but that's not the same as to say that all dimensions in the verse are universes, or even that all universe are universe-sized if proven otherwise. These rules are standard and working off what we know.
Ben's universe has been called a dimension. Null Void being an alt. dimension means it's alt./not-the-same from other dimensions like Ben's.
"In the dark belt of planets that gird the Null void from regular space, Anur Khufos is a world that is exists below the surface of perception."
"is grid to the regular space by anur system (a inter-dimensional realm) confirming nullvoid to be a part of the universe"
The text does not say that this planets are in an "inter-dimensional realm", or that they're "part of the universe", since you believe that you took that meaning from this. "Regular space" means either
- A) The Null Void's odd-colored space characters regularly walk in and breathe in, the one we always see in the show (Hence regular space). Or
- B) A different kind of space, an outer space that's more like regular space of the universe (Hence regular space).
That the info is vague, how did they all know and how is Kevin in on it?
You don't care about how the feat works on its own because of what you buy into. I don't need proof because the logic of the feat on its own makes it so they're in some dimension, not in their universe.
You're not even trying to be understandable.
Honestly if the few staff here weren't probably busy and there were more, some may comment on how you're being unreasonable on claiming to not understand certain things and how illogical it is things like claiming that dimensions need to mean universes in a verse if once 1 universe is called dimension.
No, you just say that oxymoron because of what you buy into, the quote just mean that all of them in the universe were destroyed, not that all of them were there, that one of them was outside is the exception rather than the rule.
Ok.
Can I see this?
That's made up. He could have gone to "the next dimension" and it wouldn't have mattered. Again the positioning can be anything, no amount of closeness makes a dimension appear in some higher realm where the rules are that only regular universes show up there. A dimensional wall can likewise have any rules, by your own logic if in a verse depending where you break it breaking 1 dimensional wall gets you to be in any universe of the multiverse then that means they're all close to each other, because they were 1 dimensional wall to each other, even though the more logical take is that the rules of the dimensional wall are that they let you travel anywhere by breaking just 1, regardless of the distance.
Didn't claim she has senses past the Space Beyond, the range is just Inderdimensional in both takes. This is nonsense as "her dimension" is her universe too, which means she is, in fact searching beyond the universe, yet the audacity still exists to claim that OV has this use of "universe" where it referst to the universe & more dimensions in it.
Take this info on its own w/o conclusions of what it all means at the end and this means the Null Void was called a universe. Just like in any other verse calling a dimension once a universe makes them a universe.
To better clarify, Ben 10 and Generator Rex are both canon to each other and are in the same singular verse, a multiverse.From my understanding, the argument this thread is trying debunk is that,
there are infinite show universes (ben10 univers, generator rex universe etc.) and each of these show universes has infinite parallel dimensions?
Currently yes. But I have arguments against this that are being saved for another thread, so the character scaling right now doesn't matter. The topic is only about the Cosmology, not the character's tiers.now the only question is, does ben 10’s characters scale to outside their macrocosm?
By the way, I forgot to respond to this point as I wanted to get my late response in asap.If this is the case, then I still disagree with the downvote.
The woman's statement is well enough for "possibly 2-A".
Okay, and who is Holiday?
Regarding Dr. Holiday, I’d say her assertion that there are infinite dimensions is her speaking theoretically rather than taking it as 100% objective confirmation, as she lacks Cosmic Awareness or the means to deduce the full scope of the multiverse (evidenced by her not even knowing the multiverse was real prior to the crossover). Regardless of how “smart” she is, her initial ignorance of the multiverse’s existence does cast doubt on the claim that she randomly attained an ironclad answer of the multiverse’s scope. She was made aware that the multiverse exists due to the events of the crossover, but how would she know for certain that it’s infinite? And no, being a genius scientist isn’t enough to say she knows for certain how big existence is. Scientists are not omniscient and can be wrong, even in fiction (evidenced by how Dr. Holiday literally said something wrong in the crossover).
The context of the episode refers to different dimensions, not the multiverse as a whole.I agree that it seems like a quite unreliable basis for a considerable upgrade taken on its own, and that she also likely referred to the Ben 10/Generator Rex multiverse as a whole.