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Ig I was mistaken then so mistake on me. thought it was flawed to use wikipedia on here.
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Ig I was mistaken then so mistake on me. thought it was flawed to use wikipedia on here.
Still, in the current system, a hierarchy of 12 or more higher dimensions is needed where one needs to be uncountably infinitely (aleph1) greater than the previous one. A combination of geometric axes in a quantifiable hierarchy, something that is not referenced here and has several contradictions, mainly with Omniverse and Contumélia, White Void and Forge.Still these dimensions are below Contumelia which are outside of everything including multiverse and timestream which proves that there was a reboot anyway and it is only 6D.None of the writers are quantum scientists and physicists, so this one vague episode for 26D upgrade cannot be taken into account for the contradictions.okay and? that doesn't matter. eh bosonic isn't really parallel more so it can be though its a bit strange how it works for the complex dimension section.
Because its still 26D which is still 1-B. I don't remember all the terms on this wiki to understand the relevance of Quantitative dimensional superiority, it being irrelevant or not doesn't change where said thing scales. and you still gotta deal with 26D supergravity, potentially 26D particles (we don't taco about those guys), how does the bosonic open strings and closed strings work inverse, how do tachyons work, so forth borderline get to begging the question of how does bosonic actually work when the argument at hand is one massive assumption its supposedly true
Not always but yea but if you are going to provide a CRT for a verse following this very specific scientific paper you should post idk the actual scientific paper in question you are citing and not some secondary source but maybe my poor brain cant comprehend such a simple request. cause i thought in CRTs you were still supposed to stay honest and what not.
I don't see the issue here though. What your trying to do is define this weird barrier to cap a verse because of bunch of irrelevant stuff. again i genuilly don't remember all the fancy terms on this site so you gotta bare with my understand of your statement at hand. Reboot being 6D doesn't take away the 26D part of ben 10 though the point of reboot was to give the show a refresh start the 26D section is still canon to none reboot ben 10. "A combination of geometric axes in a quantifiable hierarchy" Idk what that means like i am sorry i've genuilly never heard that term be used once in bosonic or any paper talking about dimensionality ik its on this wiki but i forgot what its definition was. So from what i read on bosonic it shouldn't be relevant to the conversation at handStill, in the current system, a hierarchy of 12 or more higher dimensions is needed where one needs to be uncountably infinitely (aleph1) greater than the previous one. A combination of geometric axes in a quantifiable hierarchy, something that is not referenced here and has several contradictions, mainly with Omniverse and Contumélia, White Void and Forge.Still these dimensions are below Contumelia which are outside of everything including multiverse and timestream which proves that there was a reboot anyway and it is only 6D.None of the writers are quantum scientists and physicists, so this one vague episode for 26D upgrade cannot be taken into account for the contradictions.
Who told you that the the Contumelia, White Voids and FoC are above the Space Beyond? The White Voids and Annihilarrgh Universes are but small specs compared to the vast black void of the Space Beyond. The Contumelia aren't even above standard Annhilarrgh Universes as they need specialized extra dimensional barriers to protect them from it's creation explosion. The Space Beyond scales above them all, arguably not the FoC tho, as it's stated to be a higher plane of existence. Your knowledge of dimensionality might surpass mine but knowledge on the verse is lacking.
Except this is not the the case. The Contumelia don't even scale to simple Annhilarrgh Universes as the Big Bangs that create them can kill them and they require specialized extradimensional barriers to keep them safe. These Universes are but specs to the Space Beyond. Read the cosmology page.Still, in the current system, a hierarchy of 12 or more higher dimensions is needed where one needs to be uncountably infinitely (aleph1) greater than the previous one. A combination of geometric axes in a quantifiable hierarchy, something that is not referenced here and has several contradictions, mainly with Omniverse and Contumélia, White Void and Forge.Still these dimensions are below Contumelia which are outside of everything including multiverse and timestream which proves that there was a reboot anyway and it is only 6D.
So, you want all high scaling verses to have knowledgeable quantum scientists and physicists on their writing teams for their claims to be valid? The Nalgians are a super advance race of being that see multiverse destruction level tech as toys, making them super geniuses at the very least. So their claims should be taken seriously.None of the writers are quantum scientists and physicists, so this one vague episode for 26D upgrade cannot be taken into account for the contradictions.
It is not yet applicable and does not scale to any part of cosmology. It is very ambiguous to say this, especially because they used the association fallacy with a scene that has no relation to 26D. It has no relation, they were no longer highlighted, there are several contradictions within the work, especially after Omniverse, so they are irrelevant.And I also want to know the source where it says that these 26 dimensions are 26 geometric axes perpendicular and orthogonal to the 3 dimensions.I don't see the issue here though. What your trying to do is define this weird barrier to cap a verse because of bunch of irrelevant stuff. again i genuilly don't remember all the fancy terms on this site so you gotta bare with my understand of your statement at hand. Reboot being 6D doesn't take away the 26D part of ben 10 though the point of reboot was to give the show a refresh start the 26D section is still canon to none reboot ben 10. "A combination of geometric axes in a quantifiable hierarchy" Idk what that means like i am sorry i've genuilly never heard that term be used once in bosonic or any paper talking about dimensionality ik its on this wiki but i forgot what its definition was. So from what i read on bosonic it shouldn't be relevant to the conversation at hand
Most of this is handle by appealing to false authority anyways but the last part. and addressed my other thoughts below.
If you have 26 spatial axis you should still none the less be 1-B. (might have the tier wrong), we still have to do the 26D supergravity if you are upholding bosonic which so far not really seen any proof for, and you yourself admitted the writers really aren't quantum physicists or scientisits which if we go with authorship theory for authortial intent being true I think the most likely assumption is just they were not talking about bosonic string theory can establish that via occomz razor.
Of course they do. They themselves created the annihilarg and are just observers looking at everything from the outside. The more you try to relate these things to cosmology, the more contradictions arise.I also don't see the 26 higher dimensions being relevant here in something that has already been rebooted, because they aren't even really higher on an infinite scale.Except this is not the the case. The Contumelia don't even scale to simple Annhilarrgh Universes as the Big Bangs that create them can kill them and they require specialized extradimensional barriers to keep them safe. These Universes are but specs to the Space Beyond. Read the cosmology page.
So, you want all high scaling verses to have knowledgeable quantum scientists and physicists on their writing teams for their claims to be valid? The Nalgians are a super advance race of being that see multiverse destruction level tech as toys, making them super geniuses at the very least. So their claims should be taken seriously.
Yes, what does them coming later have to do with them scaling anywhere? This is irrelevant.Contumélia and White Void came later, and is on the same level as Space Beyond, even being a part of it if possible.
The Universe is a 6D, possibly 25D space and an infidesimal spec compared to the Space Beyond.Still being 6D space, the "26 higher dimensions" that are never referenced here are irrelevant and contradictory.
The barrier was ment to protect them from a blast that creates 6D Universes. Tell me how in context how it could mean anything other than higher dimensional. And how it being outside universes makes any sense in context.And "extradimensional" space does not always mean a space with a dimension greater than 3 dimensions, it is just outside and external to the universe as well, like the Null Void itself.
The Contomelia and the White Voids predate singular Annhilarrgh Universes, which hold the Timestream and it's space time causality. Not all of spacetime as the Space Beyond is a higher space-time causality than the singular Annhilarrgh Universes investing it. As per the B10 Cosmology page. The Space Beyond is far beyond the Annhilarrgh Universes and the White Voids that predated them as it dwarfs them in size as shown prior. They don't see everything genius. At their appearance in the final episode all they could see was the White Void and the Universe that came after, they even had the use the tech from their ship.Contumélia and White Void are different cases, they are things that came before Timestream, space and time, and they see everything from the outside, external to everything, being only 5D. At most they are on the same level as Space Beyond, where the universes are separated by distance in the space beyond, no dimensions beyond 5^r. Forge of Creation and all these spaces only classify as 5D/6D/7D at most. The contradictions in 26D and bosonic theory are not applicable to level 1-B here, not even these dimensions scale.
Man creates nuke, thus man now scales to nuke->Of course they do. They themselves created the annihilarg and are just observers looking at everything from the outside. The more you try to relate these things to cosmology, the more contradictions arise.I also don't see the 26 higher dimensions being relevant here in something that has already been rebooted, because they aren't even really higher on an infinite scale.
wdym? why does it scale though you are saying it doesn't because of what? how is it association fallacy, if anything you have committed multiple fallacies with assuming bosonic is true and haven't stopped doing it. Fallacies are just flaws in logic after all. Why does it not have any relation to 26D though. You are basically just going "nuh uh" thats not a argument. Why do you need a source for the following? idk why it being perpendicular or orthogonal is relevant to the conversation at hand with does ben 10 run of bosonic or not. Not all higher dimensions are established by being perpendicular or orthogonal bosonic even actually talks about this, I'd bring up Time 2 showing how orthogonal works when it comes to 4D perspective but it has a very strange thought on how time works and not really relevant to the conversation.It is not yet applicable and does not scale to any part of cosmology. It is very ambiguous to say this, especially because they used the association fallacy with a scene that has no relation to 26D. It has no relation, they were no longer highlighted, there are several contradictions within the work, especially after Omniverse, so they are irrelevant. And I also want to know the source where it says that these 26 dimensions are 26 geometric axes perpendicular and orthogonal to the 3 dimensions.
damn that shit is creativeI asked an AI who he sided with and he chose Celestial fyi
I counted 19 timesHow many times has alien x been upgraded then downgraded now?
bruh leave my glorious star filled king aloneI counted 19 times
I think this verse should be erased from the wikibruh leave my glorious star filled king alone
frI think this verse should be erased from the wiki
"When thy enemy downplays your favorite fantasy picture, wank harder."How many times has alien x been upgraded then downgraded now?
Why does this sound straight up wrong? My question is, doesn't these Dimensions being spatial already nulls the whole notion of trying to say that they are compactified(also doesn't this contradict bosonic blah blah theory)?I came here to clarify some erroneous quotes and associations in the cosmology of Ben 10 and the "higher dimensions".
First, I want to point out that the "26 dimensions" discussed in cosmology do not have sufficient evidence to be superior, and the scene used in question is counterintuitive.
The first point here is when the Cosmic Mother quotes 'you are a primitive species that perceives only 3 dimensions' and also quotes that 'only 26 are relevant' and finally, quotes that 'with time, the human species would discover and perceive' such dimensions.
When you interpret the scene and the text, you realize that these dimensions being truly superior in a geometric system is completely erroneous and counterintuitive, since it is impossible for 3D beings to perceive, see or evolve to these "higher dimensions", even with technology or biotechnology or anything like that. It is also not shown how this is possible.
It is also worth mentioning that this was a unique episode that was never referenced again in the series except in interviews, and clearly these "26 dimensions" are just referencing the theory of bosonic strings — which extend across 26 dimensions, in addition to the 3 of space that we know, but all of them being compacted and recurved, which can be perceived by the different vibrations of the tiny strings, Quantum particles, different frequencies and complex manifolds.
It came later, invalidating the irrelevant quote of 26 from the Najilians. In current cosmology 26D is contradictory and does not scale anywhere.Yes, what does them coming later have to do with them scaling anywhere? This is irrelevant.
Again, there is no way you can relate or much less prove this 25D/26D and beyond, unless you use the association fallacy and ignore the higher parts of the cosmology, which contradict each other.The Universe is a 6D, possibly 25D space and an infidesimal spec compared to the Space Beyond.
I have yet to see you prove or reference 26D without using distinct fallacies. It's contradictory, there's no way to use this to scale the cosmology and much less is it referenced in the series other than in that episode.How many times do I have to say that this is a contradiction and you use the association fallacy to level it up. There is no evidence.The barrier was ment to protect them from a blast that creates 6D Universes. Tell me how in context how it could mean anything other than higher dimensional. And how it being outside universes makes any sense in context.
The Contomelia and the White Voids predate singular Annhilarrgh Universes, which hold the Timestream and it's space time causality. Not all of spacetime as the Space Beyond is a higher space-time causality than the singular Annhilarrgh Universes investing it. As per the B10 Cosmology page. The Space Beyond is far beyond the Annhilarrgh Universes and the White Voids that predated them as it dwarfs them in size as shown prior. They don't see everything genius. At their appearance in the final episode all they could see was the White Void and the Universe that came after, they even had the use the tech from their ship.
Man creates nuke, thus man now scales to nuke->
They only scale to Annhilarrgh Universes via the use of their technology. Not via pure physicals, this is why their tier is unknown and 6D with tech. Which is why they need specialized shields to protect themselves.
It's past 12 and I've got work tomorrow.
You are committing the fallacy of ignorance. I have already mentioned that in AF and UAF the citations of dimensions refer to quantum gravity, string theory and bosonic strings. Quantum physics in general, as referenced in Omniverse. And there needs to be a combination of geometric axes perpendicular and orthogonal to each other successively... Infinitely uncountable dimensions superior to each other, which is not referenced and evidenced in the Najilians episode, and at no other time. And they do not scale to the rest of cosmology because there are many contradictions and retcons that make it impossible to apply these 26 dimensions, even if they were in fact superior. There is no evidence that the 26D dimensions are in space beyond the Omniverse, and they don't even mention the multiverse and the like in the episode itself. Besides being stuck in the timestream. Is there a third hyperline beyond the timestream and space beyond by any chance?? Even to reach the Forge of Creation, all that is needed is a map of space-time that only extends across 17 dimensions, no 26D. In addition to Contumélia and White Space refuting this hierarchy of dimensions.As you can see there are several contradictions and there is no way to add or relate these dimensions. At least not unless you use the fallacy of association and hasty generalization to wank the verse without solid, direct evidence.wdym? why does it scale though you are saying it doesn't because of what? how is it association fallacy, if anything you have committed multiple fallacies with assuming bosonic is true and haven't stopped doing it. Fallacies are just flaws in logic after all. Why does it not have any relation to 26D though. You are basically just going "nuh uh" thats not a argument. Why do you need a source for the following? idk why it being perpendicular or orthogonal is relevant to the conversation at hand with does ben 10 run of bosonic or not. Not all higher dimensions are established by being perpendicular or orthogonal bosonic even actually talks about this, I'd bring up Time 2 showing how orthogonal works when it comes to 4D perspective but it has a very strange thought on how time works and not really relevant to the conversation.
I mean again bosonic talks about 25D+1D=26D so like if we go with the later you are changing your argument to "they aren't actually spatial axis the mom is talking about nor are they degrees of freedom but more so additional dimensions outside the Universe that have no relevance what so ever" then to help go around this nonsense you want me to somehow prove they are spatial axis that are also for some reason specifically perpendicular or orthogonal to 3D. IDK literally any human on earth who can help you with that, and like idk what even counts as proof in your mind anyways considering I established Multiple times in order for bosonic to work you still need 26 spatial axis so you are kinda changing your argument overall so we have already reached another flaw.
^ though i might be steelmanning you at parts
um how is this a fallacy of ignorance?You are committing the fallacy of ignorance. I have already mentioned that in AF and UAF the citations of dimensions refer to quantum gravity, string theory and bosonic strings. Quantum physics in general, as referenced in Omniverse. And there needs to be a combination of geometric axes perpendicular and orthogonal to each other successively... Infinitely uncountable dimensions superior to each other, which is not referenced and evidenced in the Najilians episode, and at no other time. And they do not scale to the rest of cosmology because there are many contradictions and retcons that make it impossible to apply these 26 dimensions, even if they were in fact superior. There is no evidence that the 26D dimensions are in space beyond the Omniverse, and they don't even mention the multiverse and the like in the episode itself. Besides being stuck in the timestream. Is there a third hyperline beyond the timestream and space beyond by any chance?? Even to reach the Forge of Creation, all that is needed is a map of space-time that only extends across 17 dimensions, no 26D. In addition to Contumélia and White Space refuting this hierarchy of dimensions.As you can see there are several contradictions and there is no way to add or relate these dimensions. At least not unless you use the fallacy of association and hasty generalization to wank the verse without solid, direct evidence.
Like dude I simply don't care for this weird scientific pandering argument its fundamentally logically flawed to assume this one paper is = to ben 10 and if it was up to me no verse would ever support it unless it was 1 to 1."Infinitely uncountable dimensions superior to each other," that goes against bosonic so irrelevant like that cannot uphold as true if bosonic exist so i see no reason to bring it up.
"There is no evidence that the 26D dimensions are in space beyond the Omniverse," and what relevance does that matter though? like thats like "guys 26D is true but its possible there could be more" you: "imma use this one scientific document and commit this weird scientific pandering fallacy over saying thats 26D and then gonna go the final part is basically appealing to possibility because its never talked about these other dimensions"
Even to reach the Forge of Creation, all that is needed is a map of space-time that only extends across 17 dimensions, no 26D. In addition to Contumélia and White Space refuting this hierarchy of dimensions.As you can see there are several contradictions and there is no way to add or relate these dimensions. At least not unless you use the fallacy of association and hasty generalization to wank the verse without solid, direct evidence.
I feel there has been other threads to keep changing ben 10 scaling lolI don't care about the OP's specifics, but isn't this the millionth thread about revising the cosmology Ben 10 had?
At this rate I think there might need to be a discussion rule about it, because it's just absurd to switch the tiers for it every few weeks like that
More ignorance fallacy and repetitive argument fallacy. Can't you see that it's counterintuitive and that the only basis here is association fallacy to wank in cosmology? Are you also going to claim that the 26 dimensions are above the 17 of the Infinity Map, Beyond Space and the Forge of Creation as well?? Impossible, not applicable. And you still haven't proven that the 26 bosonic dimensions are superior and transcendent, you're just assuming these things. Literally the two quotes I applied are references to quantum physics and dimensions of quantum gravity, string theory, and bosonics as well, nothing more than that, and they are not superior. They don't scale at all because they are counterintuitive and have no relation or solid evidence. Whether they are canonical or part of cosmology, it doesn't matter, they still don't scale at all.um how is this a fallacy of ignorance?
Like dude I simply don't care for this weird scientific pandering argument its fundamentally logically flawed to assume this one paper is = to ben 10 and if it was up to me no verse would ever support it unless it was 1 to 1.
and? just because Forge of creation is 17D doesn't take away from 26D. again if you are going to fallacy this and that the third the same principle has to apply to you with trying to use bosonic. wdym "wank" the verse why is it wank for me to go occumz razor just straight up goes what cosmic says is 26D? like the direct evidence is what the alien said not this random scientific paper you legit have not read.
AF, and UAG citing quantum gravity doesn't support bosonic though we need 26D supergravity, we don't need string theory for bosonic string theory btw we need closed bosonic strings, open bosonic strings, gravitions (spin boys), certain other fancy stuff. name dropping quantum physics doesn't mean bosonic though dude, like all you keep doing is this weird circle argument trying to go around certain parts of bosonic let alone this massive assumption that its true because it name drops certain theories.
It simply wouldn't lead anywhere. But I have another proposal: Why doesn't someone make a specific CRT separating the cosmologies by retcon? Putting all this together to make an upgrade in the cosmology is just a mess. The retcon ignores the 26D, it doesn't make sense... It is not feasible to scale and upgrade using this, as it is just fallacies of association, generalization, probability, for a wank, that's all.I don't care about the OP's specifics, but isn't this the millionth thread about revising the cosmology Ben 10 had?
At this rate I think there might need to be a discussion rule about it, because it's just absurd to switch the tiers for it every few weeks like that
I mean i would think its a association fallacy to assume bosonic.More ignorance fallacy and repetitive argument fallacy. Can't you see that it's counterintuitive and that the only basis here is association fallacy to wank in cosmology? Are you also going to claim that the 26 dimensions are above the 17 of the Infinity Map, Beyond Space and the Forge of Creation as well?? Impossible, not applicable. And you still haven't proven that the 26 bosonic dimensions are superior and transcendent, you're just assuming these things. Literally the two quotes I applied are references to quantum physics and dimensions of quantum gravity, string theory, and bosonics as well, nothing more than that, and they are not superior. They don't scale at all because they are counterintuitive and have no relation or solid evidence. Whether they are canonical or part of cosmology, it doesn't matter, they still don't scale at all.
They don't scale at all because they are counterintuitive and have no relation or solid evidence. Whether they are canonical or part of cosmology, it doesn't matter, they still don't scale at all.
same thing happens to you though. like if the opposite argument is fallacious for no apparent reason cause you really doing a bad job at explaining where the flaw in logic is at, you are also doing those same fallacies trying to argue against it.... you see that is also another fallacy but oh well.... how is it probability? where is the appeal to probability at this is so confusing this is why i massivly disagree with this crt, its freaking dumb. like its borderline just appealing to possibility and then doing this weird notion of whataboutism that then just boils down into circle fallacy as given with my messages are just borderline circling with you as we aren't going to get anywhere trying to scientific pander that bosonic is supposedly true, when you yourself haven't provided any evidence the theory upholds 100%.It simply wouldn't lead anywhere. But I have another proposal: Why doesn't someone make a specific CRT separating the cosmologies by retcon? Putting all this together to make an upgrade in the cosmology is just a mess. The retcon ignores the 26D, it doesn't make sense... It is not feasible to scale and upgrade using this, as it is just fallacies of association, generalization, probability, for a wank, that's all.
Yeah, that's not really an anti-feat, the only reason why a 3D being can't perceive a higher dimension is because that dimension extends in another direction that a 3D being can't, also this isn't an anti-feat in this wikiI came here to clarify some erroneous quotes and associations in the cosmology of Ben 10 and the "higher dimensions".
First, I want to point out that the "26 dimensions" discussed in cosmology do not have sufficient evidence to be superior, and the scene used in question is counterintuitive.
The first point here is when the Cosmic Mother quotes 'you are a primitive species that perceives only 3 dimensions' and also quotes that 'only 26 are relevant' and finally, quotes that 'with time, the human species would discover and perceive' such dimensions.
When you interpret the scene and the text, you realize that these dimensions being truly superior in a geometric system is completely erroneous and counterintuitive, since it is impossible for 3D beings to perceive, see or evolve to these "higher dimensions", even with technology or biotechnology or anything like that. It is also not shown how this is possible.
It is also worth mentioning that this was a unique episode that was never referenced again in the series except in interviews, and clearly these "26 dimensions" are just referencing the theory of bosonic strings — which extend across 26 dimensions, in addition to the 3 of space that we know, but all of them being compacted and recurved, which can be perceived by the different vibrations of the tiny strings, Quantum particles, different frequencies and complex manifolds.
In fact, there is a superiority here, but it is only a superiority of size and form compared to the universe, which would crush our reality if they were not compacted. These dimensions are not orthogonal and perpendicular to the 3 geometric axes of space, its just additional cosmological dimensions, and this is also not referenced in this episode here. The 26 dimensions are compacted dimensions larger than our reality, and are non-euclidean, they do not follow common euclidean geometry, but still, nothing four-dimensional or above combined axes of geometry, since they are in the same 4D space-time reality that extends parallel to reality, and are not transcendent to each other. These dimensions are similar to the ones Albedo mentions when talking about the Omnitrix, when he references the quantum-gravitational octo-dimension.
Plus, these dimensions are also all related to the MWI featured in Ben 10.
The second point here is when you relate the Omniversal Force, which 'extends in every directions / in all realities' “with axes of geometric space, with the 26 dimensions of the Najilians, and with the Space Beyond.”
Here we are clearly seeing a Association Fallacy.
and
A Hasty Generalization Fallacy.
Because you correlated these two scenes that are not even in the same series and no have more content and similarity, no other evidence that connects these two scenes, and were also associated in a biased way to give an upgrade based on this correlation. The two scenes are not even have similar content.
The sentence itself mentions that the Omniversal Force extends omnidirectionally through all universes, multiverses, timestream and space beyond, at most. A divine energy that encompasses the entire Omniverse, but without any relation to higher dimensions or perpendicular / orthogonal geometric axes that spread throughout the Omniverse, this is not even referenced as dimensions of space-time, but only realities, multiverses and the Omniverse itself.
Even in AF, these dimensions are not mentioned in the multiverse, nor in the timestream or in the Space Beyond.
They are irrelevant to cosmology, and not even in Omniverse are they referenced
yeah like I said, disagree.In fact, the only thing above the timestream is Contumelia, being 5D, the White Void, and the Space Beyond that separates all realities in the Omniverse. Finally, there is the Forge of Creation which would be 6D / 7D at its maximum. No 25D/26D/27D or
anything close to that.
No. The Contumelia are 5th dimensional beings, they're shields are extradimensional specifically cause they can't tank the creation of a single universe. Where is it stated that they are extradimensional? Give evidence of this claim.AThey are still 5D extradimensional beings that are beyond the multiverses and timestream.. You need to watch the episodes again. Now tell me where 26D is after this, without using association fallacy or hasty generalization. It's still contradictory.Invalid to use this, just to give a wank upgrade.