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Ben 10 - At least 2-B, Possibly 2-A Universe Structure Proposal
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I agree with the scans that have been provided.
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Millions doesn't clashes like in dc infinite crises they have statement like "millions of universes", millions in the sense of so many universes, it doesn't have end as well as it's not exact few millions but unknown and then "infinite", but consistency matters
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It makes more sense that it's just 2-B than what's written in the revision. If we use the word "infinite" in the sense of "too much, cannot calculate, immeasure...", we will not have to ignore the expression "millions of dimensions".
Also, probably a problem occurs if we take 2-A. We get a result like "2-B if we use millions of dimensions statement, 2-A if we don't use" Personally, if the words immeasurable or uncountable were used instead of the word million, I would think that "the word uncountable may actually have been used in the sense of infinity", but I cannot think same for the millions of dimensions statement.
Also, probably a problem occurs if we take 2-A. We get a result like "2-B if we use millions of dimensions statement, 2-A if we don't use" Personally, if the words immeasurable or uncountable were used instead of the word million, I would think that "the word uncountable may actually have been used in the sense of infinity", but I cannot think same for the millions of dimensions statement.
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Yes, I also agree with the premise and it's quite obvious that 'infinite' here used for 'too many' than something literal, but as it was having conflict in the crt I was having hard time explaining it but ppl were still arguing, so @Sus suggested that "possibly" can be used and possibly does used here to used for something hinted but do not have enough evidence to be applied, so it was a good way to end the conflict.
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Can you re-phrase what the proposal is about?
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The proposal is for "universe" to be a 2b to possibly 2a structure by containing millions of dimensions/spacetime continuum's or maybe infinite.
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I think Ben’s the one lowballing the amount of dimensions and using it casually whereas Holiday is scientifically stating that there are infinite tbf.
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Doesn't matter you're the most nice guy I've seen
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Sure my lord
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Also like to point out that Holiday would be the more credible and smartest between her and Ben. She's a scientist so she's an expert in this multiversal stuff compared to Ben.
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At least 2-B, possibly 2-A should be fine.
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Or Just do 2-A. I mean Holiday is arguably more reliable then Ben given her experience and an expert in the science field with multiversal cosmology. Also It's been a bunch of times I recall in that show that there are infinite timelines.
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Provide the scans...
Also, has Holiday studied universe/dimension stuff or is this the first time she brought it up? Because Ben has delt with dimensional stuff before, has Holiday?
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Why is is assumed that the “universe” itself has infinite dimensions? There was only proof of the null void being part of the prime universe. So where’s the proof that all these dimensions are in a single universe?
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What I found so far is that 2 WOGs have stated that the multiverse is infinite in size. We could back it up with the in-universe statement from Holiday. There's more scans and I'm currently finding them.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/b...nfinite.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20200325062226
Sorry the photos didn't load properly, I've posted links instead.
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They've also said infinite multiple times in-universe.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3efe49b2c5b1746f9278cf225868a899
There also had been shown to be that there are universes branching off.
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3efe49b2c5b1746f9278cf225868a899
There also had been shown to be that there are universes branching off.
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The Rex dimension, dimension 12 and legerdomain has been accepted to be the part of the universe in the previous thread mentioned in the op. And all the dimensions crossover is concerned/seen to deal with are "in universe" dimensions, neither dimensional disruptor whose functioning is same as nullvoid projector should be capable of connecting universes because if so then Kevin would have been aware of another universes. So this is headcanon to consider them outside universes, occum's Razer.
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You can stop here, these are unrelated to the op.
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No they haven’t. It’s nowhere in the OP and they were never mentioned.
I’ve look at the thread and the cosmology blog. There was only evidence provided for the null void. The other dimensions aren’t even mentioned.
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Now this… this CRT is about to get very interesting.
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She briefly dealt with it with Breach iirc or well Rex did and could/should have told her. I can also scale her off of extraordinary/supergeniuses which would entail her being able to deduce the size of the cosmology after having the multiverse being confirmed as real. Also Caesar could have just told her about this stuff off-screen. I don’t think it’ll be too relevant in this CRT though since Zamasu is questioning Reiner’s previous CRT now, so I’ll hold off with the evidence for now.
Also the timestream and Rex’s dimension are explicitly different as established by Reiner’s previous CRT so infinite timelines stuff wouldn’t matter.
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Fr? That’s it? Laughable.
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What are you gonna do now? Technically you need to make another CRT, curious for your counter-arguments though.
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Ledgerdomain and Dimension 12 don't have confirmed universe sizes, and time doesn’t even exist in D12 (IIRC), so it doesn’t have much of an impact. Even then, evidence was provided for those two existing in the universe. My main issue comes from Rex's universe, and other dimensions, being assumed to be in the prime universe because "there's no reason why it shouldn’t" despite there being 0 proof.
It's basic ABC, 123. Idk how this almost got accepted with no questions.
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Aight Zamasu is right FRA then.
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Oh quite amusing for me considering it's already accepted and done, anyway this thread is not for discussing already accepted crt's.
Not my problem to deal with already dealt things. I can't go explaining things already been accepted to each one who don't find it convincing or smth. You need to deal with them yourself.
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