Ben 10 Cosmology Revision

[Hellformer]

@Firestorm808 I think that these explanations must be checked from your side to make the cosmology page as accurate as possible. The explanations of Timestream and Hypertimeline are straightforward but these 3 will have to be examined by you:

White Void (1-C)​

The white nothingness is the precursor to the creation of the Universe. There is no time or space here as shown by Maltruant being unable to use his Time Manipulation. Each seperate Universe has it's own White void before an Annihilarrgh is activated and a Universe is created.
It's causality depends on the creation of the Universe along with it's Hypertimeline and it cannot access the higher causality of the realm outside it.

The Universe (1-C)​

The Universe is made by the Annihilarrgh, inside which one can access to different versions of Timestream throughout the infinite Hypertimeline. Each big bang universe has it's own different laws of physics as mentioned by Professor Paradox. Destroying or recreating such a structure can lead to violation of the Multiverse Preservation Act.

The Space Beyond/Omniverse (1-B)​

The infinite black void which extends past the Multiverse of different Annihilarrgh universes and encompasses an unknown number of them. Which is evident from Paradox calling blue universe as the “next universe over” instead of entitling it as a parallel universe. This should be consistent from Contumelias calling the Ben's Annihilarrgh universe as “the most interesting one yet” which would conclude that they must have created multiple such universes before and possibly more after the creation of Ben's Universe. It is where the Contumelias travel in search of white voids and Universes to activate the Annihilarrgh for creation/destruction. Space Beyond has it's higher space-time causality considering how the Chronal-Randomization Barrier acts as a medium to interact with past/future versions of themselves independent of the existence of White void which has no space-time. Hence in order to function as such, the Space Beyond must have a higher order time axis.

"Now I see the universe for what it is, we are all dust bound by one enormous Universal force, no, not Universal, not even Multiversal, this Omniversal force continues forever in every direction through every reality"

The Omniversal Force extends forever in every direction through every reality and binds everything contained within it. It includes all the 26 spatio-temporal axes mentioned by Cosmic Mom which makes them fully sized and tierable

 

[Hellformer]

Regarding the Annihilarrgh's effect, can't we just say that it completely fills the white void and thus making it only 1-C? I mean it seems iffy for the Universe to be 1-B honestly.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Regarding the Annihilarrgh's effect, can't we just say that it completely fills the white void and thus making it only 1-C? I mean it seems iffy for the Universe to be 1-B honestly.

I remember Rook saying that if a Universe already existed in the dimension/white void then the Annhilarrgh would destroy it. If the Annhilarrgh creates a Universe the White void extends till it's visible in the Space Beyond as Firestorm808 says making them 26D. So a normal Universe is 1C but a Annhilarrgh universe is 1B. The other universes not being visible makes sense as we don't see any white voids.

 

[Hellformer]

I remember Rook saying that if a Universe already existed in the dimension/white void then the Annhilarrgh would destroy it. If the Annhilarrgh creates a Universe the White void extends till it's visible in the Space Beyond as Firestorm808 says making them 26D. So a normal Universe is 1C but a Annhilarrgh universe is 1B. The other universes not being visible makes sense as we don't see any white voids.

Yeah I get that but what I mean is that the range of Annihilargh's creation is limited to White Void only which gets completely filled with the creation energy and which is why Paradox and trio could see Red color instead of White void.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Yeah I get that but what I mean is that the range of Annihilargh's creation is limited to White Void only which gets completely filled with the creation energy and which is why Paradox and trio could see Red color instead of White void.

The Annhilarrgh would still then be extending past the White Void into the Space Beyond. If certain parts of the Universe is part of the White Void and certain parts aren't them the White Void should be 1C and not the Universe as a whole.

 

[Hellformer]

The Annhilarrgh would still then be extending past the White Void into the Space Beyond. If certain parts of the Universe is part of the White Void and certain parts aren't them the White Void should be 1C and not the Universe as a whole.

I don't see why exactly it would extend past the White void when it is created only to fill the specific volume otherwise the contumelias could have activated Annihilarrgh in places without White void

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

I don't see why exactly it would extend past the White void when it is created only to fill the specific volume otherwise the contumelias could have activated Annihilarrgh in places without White void

Okay ig but that doesn't explain why it was visible in SB. But I'm no genius. I'm sure lower dimensional structures can exist in higher dimensional structures.

 

[Hellformer]

Okay ig but that doesn't explain why it was visible in SB. But I'm no genius. I'm sure lower dimensional structures can exist in higher dimensional structures.

Just like how 4-D macrocosms exist in a 5-D neutral space in dragonball cosmology

 

[Churchill]

I too think a universe being 1-B is logical but weird a bit.
Could someone please send the thread where hypertimeline was discussed and proposed?

 

[Hellformer]

I too think a universe being 1-B is logical but weird a bit.
Could someone please send the thread where hypertimeline was discussed and proposed?

I don't know because when that idea was proposed, I didn't join this site.

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

But can't we say that it was a "glow" coming out of universe (not universe itself) also that was only a minor part of space beyond (space beyond mad at least 17 such universes and only 2 where visible at that corner)

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

But can't we say that it was a "glow" coming out of universe (not universe itself) also that was only a minor part of space beyond (space beyond mad at least 17 such universes and only 2 where visible at that corcorner.

I just think that the Universes are 6D and infidesimal to Space Beyond but the Trio could see it due to being infidesimal as well.

 

[Hellformer]

But can't we say that it was a "glow" coming out of universe (not universe itself) also that was only a minor part of space beyond (space beyond mad at least 17 such universes and only 2 where visible at that corner)

More like they had to show something to the audience so that they can differentiate between the Universe and the Space outside it

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

More like they had to show something to the audience so that they can differentiate between the Universe and the Space outside it

Maybe to show that space beyond is outside of universe

 

[Hellformer]

Maybe to show that space beyond is outside of universe

Yes exactly

 

[Hellformer]

Bump I guess

 

[Churchill]

Wait, why should the space beyond > the white void when the white void is beyond the scope of paradox' abilities and not the space beyond.

Tbh, after rewatching that arc, I really don't see reason downgrading the time stream and the white void and the making the space beyond the same dimensionality as the omniversal force making it seem paradox has influence on the omniversal force but not the time stream or white void

 

[Hellformer]

Wait, why should the space beyond > the white void when the white void is beyond the scope of paradox' abilities and not the space beyond.

Tbh, after rewatching that arc, I really don't see reason downgrading the time stream and the white void and the making the space beyond the same dimensionality as the omniversal force making it seem paradox has influence on the omniversal force but not the time stream or white void

Paradox cannot travel to places where space-time causality does not exist. But he could move in space beyond because of its higher causality than the White void and Hypertimeline. Rest of your doubts have been explained in the OP.

 

[Churchill]

@Hellformer okay I re read everything so.... why is a universe created by the annihilaargh 1-B yet the white void is 1-C when the annihilaargh is said to only fill up a void with a universe?
Great OP btw

 

[Hellformer]

@Hellformer okay I re read everything so.... why is a universe created by the annihilaargh 1-B yet the white void is 1-C when the annihilaargh is said to only fill up a void with a universe?
Great OP btw

I'm demanding for the Universe to be 1-C actually

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

okay I re read everything so.... why is a universe created by the annihilaargh 1-B yet the white void is 1-C when the annihilaargh is said to only fill up a void with a universe?
Great OP btw

Actually the white void is an empty pocket for universe to be created
It expands to 1-B due to big bang (as it's visible in space beyond) but I and hell former are demanding 1-C universe

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Bump

 

[Hellformer]

Bump

I thought this thread will get accepted soon but all of a sudden it went dead. I guess it will take more like a month or so

 

[Hellformer]

Here's what I'm thinking:

Each Dimension inside a timeline: Low 2-C
Individual Timeline: 2-A
Timestream/Tree: Low 1-C 5D
Hypertimeline/White Space/Rainbow Black Space: 1-C 6D
Annihilargh Effect: 1-B, if we agree that its effect goes past White Space to the space Beyond
The Space Beyond/Omniverse: 1-B

Sorry for bothering you but can we get your final opinion as per the above discussion?

 

[Georredannea15]

I need to ask you something. We were waiting for the latest DT for white space and hypertimeline. What happened to it?

If I understand correctly, it is now 1-B... Then I guess there's no need for that threadIf I understand correctly, it is now 1-B... Then I guess there's no need for that thread

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Hellformer makes most sense tbh.

 

[Hellformer]

I need to ask you something. We were waiting for the latest DT for white space and hypertimeline. What happened to it?

If I understand correctly, it is now 1-B... Then I guess there's no need for that threadIf I understand correctly, it is now 1-B... Then I guess there's no need for that thread

Uh basically yeah there's no need for it

 

[Georredannea15]

Wait a minute, I just realized that what was 1-B is actually still the Omniverse here... White space still has the same arguments.

 

[Hellformer]

Wait a minute, I just realized that what was 1-B is actually still the Omniverse here... White space still has the same arguments.

The Hypertimeline inside white space is the one which was established and accepted way before my thread so no.

 

[Georredannea15]

The Hypertimeline inside white space is the one which was established and accepted way before my thread so no.

I know, that was basically the part that interested me.

 

[Hellformer]

I know, that was basically the part that interested me.

Kk

 

[Firestorm808]

Been busy with work. Will go over this afternoon.

 

[Firestorm808]

Not so soon I guess. I'll have to wait for confirmation from Firestorm if something needs to be added in my blog's explanation after which I'll make changes in the cosmology page

You can use my earlier explanation as a base and fill in any gaps for the page.

 

[Hellformer]

You can use my earlier explanation as a base and fill in any gaps for the page.

I actually did that but I need you to examine this so that everything goes smoothly without any error

@Firestorm808 I think that these explanations must be checked from your side to make the cosmology page as accurate as possible. The explanations of Timestream and Hypertimeline are straightforward but these 3 will have to be examined by you:

White Void (1-C)​

The white nothingness is the precursor to the creation of the Universe. There is no time or space here as shown by Maltruant being unable to use his Time Manipulation. Each seperate Universe has it's own White void before an Annihilarrgh is activated and a Universe is created.
It's causality depends on the creation of the Universe along with it's Hypertimeline and it cannot access the higher causality of the realm outside it.

The Universe (1-C)​

The Universe is made by the Annihilarrgh, inside which one can access to different versions of Timestream throughout the infinite Hypertimeline. Each big bang universe has it's own different laws of physics as mentioned by Professor Paradox. Destroying or recreating such a structure can lead to violation of the Multiverse Preservation Act.

The Space Beyond/Omniverse (1-B)​

The infinite black void which extends past the Multiverse of different Annihilarrgh universes and encompasses an unknown number of them. Which is evident from Paradox calling blue universe as the “next universe over” instead of entitling it as a parallel universe. This should be consistent from Contumelias calling the Ben's Annihilarrgh universe as “the most interesting one yet” which would conclude that they must have created multiple such universes before and possibly more after the creation of Ben's Universe. It is where the Contumelias travel in search of white voids and Universes to activate the Annihilarrgh for creation/destruction. Space Beyond has it's higher space-time causality considering how the Chronal-Randomization Barrier acts as a medium to interact with past/future versions of themselves independent of the existence of White void which has no space-time. Hence in order to function as such, the Space Beyond must have a higher order time axis.

"Now I see the universe for what it is, we are all dust bound by one enormous Universal force, no, not Universal, not even Multiversal, this Omniversal force continues forever in every direction through every reality"

The Omniversal Force extends forever in every direction through every reality and binds everything contained within it. It includes all the 26 spatio-temporal axes mentioned by Cosmic Mom which makes them fully sized and tierable

 

[Firestorm808]

@Firestorm808 I think that these explanations must be checked from your side to make the cosmology page as accurate as possible. The explanations of Timestream and Hypertimeline are straightforward but these 3 will have to be examined by you:

White Void (1-C)​

The white nothingness is the precursor to the creation of the Universe. There is no time or space here as shown by Maltruant being unable to use his Time Manipulation. Each seperate Universe has it's own White void before an Annihilarrgh is activated and a Universe is created.
It's causality depends on the creation of the Universe along with it's Hypertimeline and it cannot access the higher causality of the realm outside it.

The Universe (1-C)​

The Universe is made by the Annihilarrgh, inside which one can access to different versions of Timestream throughout the infinite Hypertimeline. Each big bang universe has it's own different laws of physics as mentioned by Professor Paradox. Destroying or recreating such a structure can lead to violation of the Multiverse Preservation Act.

The Space Beyond/Omniverse (1-B)​

The infinite black void which extends past the Multiverse of different Annihilarrgh universes and encompasses an unknown number of them. Which is evident from Paradox calling blue universe as the “next universe over” instead of entitling it as a parallel universe. This should be consistent from Contumelias calling the Ben's Annihilarrgh universe as “the most interesting one yet” which would conclude that they must have created multiple such universes before and possibly more after the creation of Ben's Universe. It is where the Contumelias travel in search of white voids and Universes to activate the Annihilarrgh for creation/destruction. Space Beyond has it's higher space-time causality considering how the Chronal-Randomization Barrier acts as a medium to interact with past/future versions of themselves independent of the existence of White void which has no space-time. Hence in order to function as such, the Space Beyond must have a higher order time axis.

"Now I see the universe for what it is, we are all dust bound by one enormous Universal force, no, not Universal, not even Multiversal, this Omniversal force continues forever in every direction through every reality"

The Omniversal Force extends forever in every direction through every reality and binds everything contained within it. It includes all the 26 spatio-temporal axes mentioned by Cosmic Mom which makes them fully sized and tierable

It's about right. I'll just have to clean it up on the final publishing.

 

[Hellformer]

It's about right. I'll just have to clean it up on the final publishing.

So can I start making the changes or should I wait?

 

[Firestorm808]

How do you guys feel about:

Annihilargh: At least 1-C (Created a 6-D Hypertimeline Structure from the White Void), possibly higher/1-B (It extended past the White Void to create a visible object in the Space Beyond)

or

Annihilargh: 1-B (Its extended past the White Void and 6-D Hypertimeline Structure to create a visible object in the Space Beyond)

 

[Firestorm808]

So can I start making the changes or should I wait?

Show me your newly drafted changes, and I'll revise them.

 

[Hellformer]

How do you guys feel about:

Annihilargh: At least 1-C (Created a 6-D Hypertimeline Structure from the White Void), possibly higher/1-B (It extended past the White Void to create a visible object in the Space Beyond)

or

Annihilargh: 1-B (Its extended past the White Void and 6-D Hypertimeline Structure to create a visible object in the Space Beyond)

I'm confused regarding it's extension past the White void but any of those works. Which one would you prefer?

 

[Hellformer]

Show me your newly drafted changes, and I'll revise them.

Where I had tagged you