Ben 10 Cosmology Revision

[Hellformer]

Introduction​

This thread is not meant to upgrade/downgrade the cosmology in any possible way. It will simply focus on revising the cosmological layers to it's maximum accuracy.

The Revision​

1. Branching Timelines is the same as Timestream/Cross-Time​

Yes you read it right, both these structures are one at the same and none of them are Hypertimelines.

Key arguments:​

• Paradox in Omniverse clearly explains about the Branching Tree in which the Parallel worlds arise from different possible outcomes of the Main trunk. Which is consistent with his previous explanation of such in Ultimate Alien, where he describes Cross-Time as an idea of parallel worlds to the trio for the first time.
• After the Chronosapien Time bomb destroyed all the timelines, Professor paradox used the Hypertimeline to travel back to previous version of the tree and said "You must reboot this Timestream" hence implying that both the structures are one at the same and their present version got destroyed by the CTB.
• Finally not to mention that their tree like structures match with each other so accurately.

2) The Actual Hypertimeline​

The idea of extra temporal axis has already been accepted in the verse so the actual Hypertimeline exists unbound by the timestream and encompasses different versions of it ranging from beginning of the creation to the end.

Key argument:​

• This is evident from the time beasts entering a horizontal pink line that is perpendicular to the direction of Timestream and accessing the pre annihilargh events.

3) The Space Beyond/Omniverse​

The infinite black void which extends past the boundaries of different Annihilarrgh universes and encompasses an unknown number of them.

Key arguments:​

• This interpretation is evident from Paradox calling blue universe as the “next universe over” instead of entitling it as a parallel universe. Which should be consistent from Contumelias calling the Ben's Annihilarrgh universe as “the most interesting one yet” which would conclude that the contumelias must have created multiple such universes before and possibly more after the creation of Ben's Universe.
• Paradox says that the "Forge of Creation is out of sync with all time" which would take in account all the temporality of the verse hence including the Hypertimeline of Ben's Annihilarrgh Universe. So in order to reach over there, he must have to travel outside the creation of Annihilargh as a whole.
• This interpretation is backed up by WoG when he said that Feedback can only absorb the energy of those universes which have same laws of physics as Ben's Universe. So the Universe which was absorbed by Feedback was only one of the unknown creations of Annihilargh. This aligns with Paradox's statement of the Blue universe following different laws of physics. And this would end up proving that the space beyond mentioned in Ultimate Alien exists outside the Annihilarrgh's creation.

4) White Nothingness​

The white nothingness is the precursor to the creation of the Universe inhibited by Contumelia. It is a timeless void lacking both space-time and laws of physics. It exists inside the Space Beyond. All universes have their seperate/respective white voids before big bang. Rook and Ben stated that if a universe exists in this dimension (white void) the Annihilarrgh will destroy it and if it doesn't then it creates one. In Ben 10 Omniverse S1 E7 we know that when the universe was destroyed by the Annihilarrgh which left the black void in the background. Since everything from the beginning to the end was destroyed, it left the black void aka Space Beyond.

Scaling of the cosmology​

For the necessary changes in the cosmology page, I've created this blog so that things don't seem to be messed up.

Scaling of certain characters/weapons​

1) Annihilarrgh and Feedback​

Well this is straightforward that both of them would be downgraded to 1-C because the universe no longer extends to the Omniversal Force.

2) Chrononavigator and it's weilders​

Chrononavigator will remain 1-B as before because as per Paradox, "all of existence will be destroyed" and later Eon says that he will destroy all the cosmos which would dwarf everything which Paradox is aware of including the Space Beyond (except the Forge and its inhabitants because they're repeatedly stated to be omnipotent all/powerful in-verse throughout the series even after introducing the chrononavigator)

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3) Celestialsapiens​

1-B via scaling above the Chrononavigator as explained above

Final Summary​

Each Dimension inside a timeline: Low 2-C
Individual Timeline: 2-A
Timestream: Low 1-C
Hypertimeline: 1-C
Annihilargh Universe: 1-C
The Space Beyond/Omniverse: 1-B

Slight correction after taking in account Firestorm's opinion-
Annihilarrgh Universe: 1-B

Agree: @DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @Firestorm808
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Sus]

seems ok, following

 

[OMNIVERSAL-KING]

Agree

 

[ByArrow]

Agree

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Agreed. It's not some big upscale or anything. Just seems like a reinterpretation of what has been established in a way that also makes sense.

 

[Baabasaplar95]

Agree

 

[REX9097]

Agree

 

[Sus]

just tag mods

 

[Hellformer]

just tag mods

Non-admins cannot tag other admins and mods

 

[Sus]

Non-admins cannot tag other admins and mods

contact them

 

[Hellformer]

contact them

I did ask firestorm.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Looks simple. Agree

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Seems alright, but I also agree that input from @Firestorm808 would be good.

 

[Planck69]

This was pretty much all already established in prior threads so it seems fine to me.

 

[Aolphl]

Although I have stated many times that I am not interested in the cosmology of verse, but OP usually looks good, I agree for now, but I will wait for ideas from people like Reiner and Greenshifter.

There's a question I want to ask:

4) White Nothingness​

The white nothingness is the precursor to the creation of the Universe inhibited by Contumelia. It is a timeless void lacking both space-time and laws of physics. It exists inside the Space Beyond. All universes have their seperate/respective white voids before big bang. Rook and Ben stated that if a universe exists in this dimension (white void) the Annihilarrgh will destroy it and if it doesn't then it creates one. In Ben 10 Omniverse S1 E7 we know that when the universe was destroyed by the Annihilarrgh which left the black void in the background. Since everything from the beginning to the end was destroyed, it left the black void aka Space Beyond.

What do we need to understand from where I marked it in bold is that Annihilarrgh destroyed White Nothingness? So Annihilarrgh destroyed White Nothingness too?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

There's a question I want to ask:

What do we need to understand from where I marked it in bold is that Annihilarrgh destroyed White Nothingness? So Annihilarrgh destroyed White Nothingness too?

Yes. The White Nothingness is virtually a place holder for a Universe. The Annhilarrgh creates a Universe in it pretty much filling it but also weilds enough power to destroy it.
So pretty much, White Nothingness=Universe in size.

 

[Aolphl]

Yes. The White Nothingness is virtually a place holder for a Universe. The Annhilarrgh creates a Universe in it pretty much filling it but also weilds enough power to destroy it.
So pretty much, White Nothingness=Universe in size.

Does this not contradict Contumelia's barrier? Contumelia specifically built this barrier to protect from Annihilarrgh's destruction, and as shown in the series finale, it works. Assuming Annihilarrgh destroyed the White Nothingness, wouldn't it have destroyed the Contumelias that were in it as well?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Does this not contradict Contumelia's barrier? Contumelia specifically built this barrier to protect from Annihilarrgh's destruction, and as shown in the series finale, it works. Assuming Annihilarrgh destroyed the White Nothingness, wouldn't it have destroyed the Contumelias that were in it as well?

The barrier and the ship protects them from the blast.

 

[Aolphl]

The barrier and the ship protects them from the blast.

I know, I couldn't quite explain what I meant. Whatever, the OP seems logical, for now I agree, I would say that it is much better for cosmology to look like this than the current one. But I will wait for people like Reiner and Green, who are knowledgeable about Cosmology.

 

[Firestorm808]

Will reply in-depth after work.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yeah, that looks good.

 

[Hellformer]

I know, I couldn't quite explain what I meant. Whatever, the OP seems logical, for now I agree, I would say that it is much better for cosmology to look like this than the current one. But I will wait for people like Reiner and Green, who are knowledgeable about Cosmology.

Reiner may not reply and green already agrees

 

[Firestorm808]

@Hellformer

If I understand correctly, you are proposing that there are spaces of White Nothingness for "ANLG Universes" scattered throughout the Space Beyond.

 

[Hellformer]

@Hellformer

If I understand correctly, you are proposing that there are spaces of White Nothingness for "ANLG Universes" scattered throughout the Space Beyond.

Yes

 

[Firestorm808]

Yes

Unless you are suggesting that there are literal white realms to find in the Space Beyond, presumably, you are saying that the Space Beyond is N-D and contains White Spaces are (N-1)-D. That the White Voids are infinitesimally smaller.

 

[Hellformer]

Unless you are suggesting that there are literal white realms to find in the Space Beyond, presumably, you are saying that the Space Beyond is N-D and contains White Spaces are (N-1)-D. That the White Voids are infinitesimally smaller.

This could have been the case if the Omniversal Force was not accepted as 1-B, however since that's already been established to be solid, I'd connect this with Albedo's statement:
"We are all dust bound by one universal force"
Refers to the creation of Annihilargh which binds everything within it
"No, not Universal, not even Multiversal"
Refers to the multiverse of Annihilargh universes. Which is why even the Celestialsapiens made the Multiverse Preservation Act to make rules about the Multiverse of universes created by the Big bang.
"This Omniversal force which continues forever in every direction through every reality"
Implying that the Omniverse extends past the multiverse of big bangs and binds everything within it. And since we see the Space beyond/blackvoid extending past where universes could be detected so it should be a solid 1-B realm instead of simply being (N+1)-D where N is the dimensionality of the Ben's Universe.

 

[Firestorm808]

That... didn't answer my question.

In your proposal, do you consider the white spaces in the space beyond infinitely smaller?

 

[Hellformer]

That... didn't answer my question.

In your proposal, do you consider the white spaces in the space beyond infinitely smaller?

Well yes, the white voids are a subset of Space beyond

 

[Firestorm808]

Well yes, the white voids are a subset of Space beyond

So, according to your proposal, when an ANLG goes off, the White Space increases infinitely in size to be a visible star-like object in the Space Beyond.

 

[Hellformer]

So, according to your proposal, when an ANLG goes off, the White Space increases infinitely in size to be a visible star-like object in the Space Beyond.

The white space simply gets filled with Annihilarrgh's creation when it's activated

 

[Firestorm808]

The white space simply gets filled with Annihilarrgh's creation when it's activated

But according to your proposal, you see the star-like object in the Space Beyond.

 

[Hellformer]

But according to your proposal, you see the star-like object in the Space Beyond.

Which is red in colour, the same color when it was detonated by maltruant and contumelias.

 

[Firestorm808]

Which is red in colour, the same color when it was detonated by maltruant and contumelias.

So you acknowledge that it would become infinitely larger than it was before?

 

[Hellformer]

So you acknowledge that it would become infinitely larger than it was before?

No

 

[Firestorm808]

No

So how do we get from the infinitely small White Space Subset to a star-like object in the Space Beyond?

 

[Hellformer]

So how do we get from the infinitely small White Space Subset to a star-like object in the Space Beyond?

Wait I'm getting a bit confused with this. Why would I assume that the White void expands? When the Annihilarrgh is activated in already present universe, it destroys everything including the white void of the beginning which is why we saw the black void around AX which is the space beyond

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

So how do we get from the infinitely small White Space Subset to a star-like object in the Space Beyond?

A star-like universe is still infidesimal in comparison to the rest of the space beyond.

 

[Firestorm808]

Wait I'm getting a bit confused with this. Why would I assume that the White void expands? When the Annihilarrgh is activated in already present universe, it destroys everything including the white void which is why we saw the black void around AX which is the space beyond

Your proposal suggests that you go from seeing nothing in the Space Beyond to seeing something.

 

[Hellformer]

Your proposal suggests that you go from seeing nothing in the Space Beyond to seeing something.

What if I agree with that being the case? I mean expansion of White void

 

[Firestorm808]

What if I agree with that being the case? I mean expansion of White void

Well, for your proposal, it's either the White Void Expands or the effects of the ANLG extends past the White Void Subset and into the Space Beyond.

I would think the latter will influence the ANLG rating.