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Ben 10 Cosmology Revision

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Firestorm808 said:
Your proposal suggests that you go from seeing nothing in the Space Beyond to seeing something.
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It's like seeing an atom. The human eye can't see it on It's own but with by 'zooming in' we can see it. Paradox just took them close for them to see it.

Ben an Co are also infidesimal in comparison to the Space Beyond. The Space Beyond is still far larger than the Annhilarrgh universe.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Well, for your proposal, it's either the White Void Expands or the effects of the ANLG extends past the White Void Subset and into the Space Beyond.

I would think the latter will influence the ANLG rating.
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Like the latter would make the Annihilarrgh 1-B as well? Is this what you mean?
 
Okay now I got the question. I'd prefer to go with the former but I'd still like to see Firestorm's opinion
 
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Hellformer said:
Well then it seems you have agreed with most of my proposal so which interpretation suits better in your opinion?
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Patience, I haven't made any judgments yet. I was getting clarifications on the implications of your proposal.

Another point to address is the limitations of Paradox. According to his introduction episode, he ripped a hole in the fabric of reality, was sent "into the event horizon of his time tunnel," and now "exists outside of time." Where he was sent to specifically is unclear.

With the Space Beyond, we know it's beyond the "universe" and has the next one over. An area of it has the Forge of Creation. A regular person in the Space Beyond cannot see it because "It is out of sync with all time" due to a Chronal Randomization Barrier. I would think that for a Chronal Randomization Barrier to work, there must be some form of time dimension at work to randomize. It's not necessarily stated to be outside or without "time."

When we get to the white void, they demonstrate the effects of being without "Time." Time Manipulation powers don't work since it doesn't exist. According to Paradox, this timeless place is beyond even his reach. He wasn't able to show up until "Time" was there.

With this in mind, if the Space Beyond was truly without "time" Paradox wouldn't be able to take them there, and a Chronal Randomization Barrier would have no effect.
 
Firestorm808 said:
Patience, I haven't made any judgments yet. I was getting clarifications on the implications of your proposal.
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Okay it was just a guess
Firestorm808 said:
With the Space Beyond, we know it's beyond the "universe" and has the next one over. An area of it has the Forge of Creation. A regular person in the Space Beyond cannot see it because "It is out of sync with all time" due to a Chronal Randomization Barrier. I would think that for a Chronal Randomization Barrier to work, there must be some form of time dimension at work to randomize. It's not necessarily stated to be outside or without "time."

When we get to the white void, they demonstrate the effects of being without "Time." Time Manipulation powers don't work since it doesn't exist. According to Paradox, this timeless place is beyond even his reach. He wasn't able to show up until "Time" was there.

With this in mind, if the Space Beyond was truly without "time" Paradox wouldn't be able to take them there, and a Chronal Randomization Barrier would have no effect.
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I get your point but I think this can be resolved easily by going with the Space beyond having an extra temporal axis outside the Annihilarrgh Universe. I mean the Annihilarrgh's Hypertimeline would only be limited to traversing post and pre creation events while the Space Beyond is completely unaffected by this. Also the white void's functioning would be dependent on whether time is created by Annihilarrgh or not and it cannot access Space Beyond's temporality. Despite space doesn't exist in the White void even though the Contumelias are described as 5th dimensional beings (which is spatial nature) so applying the same set of logic for temporality as well would work to maintain consistency. And we do know that paradox does have to follow some rules so him not being able to go there was to maintain the timeloop continued.
 
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I think there might be some minor internal inconsistencies within Ultimate Alien and Omniverse which can be resolved as explained above but the current cosmology is extremely flawed because it fails to explain other creations of Annihilargh, doesn't explain the presence of blackvoid after Annihilarrgh destroys everything and misinterprets Timestream as the Hypertimeline.
 
Hellformer said:
Okay
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This is how I see it.

So, in the metahistory of the Space Beyond, the subset realms were, at some point, white voids. The Space Beyond had this higher time, but it didn't extend down to the white dimension.

The Contumelia travel the Space Beyond to new White Voids in their history.

It's not until an ANLG is activated that in the white voide, the lower "universe" hypertimeline structure is made and given time.

In the meta-present of the Space Beyond, there is a "bridge of time" from the lower dimensions to follow and reach the Space Beyond.

However, in the "past" before the ANLG, there is no bridge of time to reach the Space Beyond from the White Dimension.
 
Firestorm808 said:
This is how I see it.

So, in the metahistory of the Space Beyond, the subset realms were, at some point, white voids. The Space Beyond had this higher time, but it didn't extend down to the white dimension.

The Contumelia travel the Space Beyond to new White Voids in their history.

It's not until an ANLG is activated that in the white voide, the lower "universe" hypertimeline structure is made and given time.

In the meta-present of the Space Beyond, there is a "bridge of time" from the lower dimensions to follow and reach the Space Beyond.

However, in the "past" before the ANLG, there is no bridge of time to reach the Space Beyond from the White Dimension.
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Yes this seems to make sense to me
 
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If I'm not wrong, then I think the Annihilarrgh should have 2 different ratings depending on where it explodes in this way:

Tier: 1-C in White Nothingness, 1-B inside "The Universe"

Because the Annihilarrgh's creation is in such a way that one can access the Hypertimeline to travel back to pre annihilargh era and witness those events again, while the Annihilarrgh's destruction inside "The Universe" destroys everything including the White Void and reaches the likes of Space Beyond which is why we see the black void around Alien X
 
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Hellformer said:
@Firestorm808
If I'm not wrong, then I think the Annihilarrgh should have 2 different ratings depending on where it explodes in this way:

Tier: 1-C in White Nothingness, 1-B inside "The Universe"

Because the Annihilarrgh's creation is in such a way that one can access the Hypertimeline to travel back to pre annihilargh era and witness those events again, while the Annihilarrgh's destruction inside "The Universe" destroys everything including the White Void and reaches the likes of Space Beyond which is why we see the black void around Alien X
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Doesn't the ANLG Creation Wave also extend past the White Void to appear as a glow in the Space Beyond?

It would be the same rating both ways, no?
 
Firestorm808 said:
Doesn't the ANLG Creation Wave also extend past the White Void to appear as a glow in the Space Beyond?

It would be the same rating both ways, no?
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If it extends past the white void then yes. It should be 1B either way as 1B explosion should destroy a 1C space anyway. Either creation or destruction should be 1B.

The red universe in SB was visible prior to Annhilarrgh destroying the Universe.
 
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Your proposal suggests that you go from seeing nothing in the Space Beyond to seeing something. It's like seeing an atom. The human eye can't see it on It's own but with by 'zooming in' we can see it. Paradox just took them close for them to see it. Ben an Co are also infidesimal in comparison...
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Does my above interpretation Sound reasonable for the OP?
 
Firestorm808 said:
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Ben 10 Cosmology Revision

Your proposal suggests that you go from seeing nothing in the Space Beyond to seeing something. It's like seeing an atom. The human eye can't see it on It's own but with by 'zooming in' we can see it. Paradox just took them close for them to see it. Ben an Co are also infidesimal in comparison...
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Does my above interpretation Sound reasonable for the OP?
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What changes do I have to make in the space beyond section of this blog? Once you're satisfied with the explanation of this blog and the revision gets accepted, I'll copy paste stuff to the cosmology page.
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Firestorm808 said:
This is how I see it.

So, in the metahistory of the Space Beyond, the subset realms were, at some point, white voids. The Space Beyond had this higher time, but it didn't extend down to the white dimension.

The Contumelia travel the Space Beyond to new White Voids in their history.

It's not until an ANLG is activated that in the white voide, the lower "universe" hypertimeline structure is made and given time.

In the meta-present of the Space Beyond, there is a "bridge of time" from the lower dimensions to follow and reach the Space Beyond.

However, in the "past" before the ANLG, there is no bridge of time to reach the Space Beyond from the White Dimension.
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Looks good to me.
 
Firestorm808 said:
This is how I see it.

So, in the metahistory of the Space Beyond, the subset realms were, at some point, white voids. The Space Beyond had this higher time, but it didn't extend down to the white dimension.

The Contumelia travel the Space Beyond to new White Voids in their history.

It's not until an ANLG is activated that in the white voide, the lower "universe" hypertimeline structure is made and given time.

In the meta-present of the Space Beyond, there is a "bridge of time" from the lower dimensions to follow and reach the Space Beyond.

However, in the "past" before the ANLG, there is no bridge of time to reach the Space Beyond from the White Dimension.
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This makes sense to me. Just to be clear, can you tell me what you see to be the final tiering of the different cosmology aspects? Just so we're all on the same page.
 
Firestorm808 said:
This is how I see it.

So, in the metahistory of the Space Beyond, the subset realms were, at some point, white voids. The Space Beyond had this higher time, but it didn't extend down to the white dimension.

The Contumelia travel the Space Beyond to new White Voids in their history.

It's not until an ANLG is activated that in the white voide, the lower "universe" hypertimeline structure is made and given time.

In the meta-present of the Space Beyond, there is a "bridge of time" from the lower dimensions to follow and reach the Space Beyond.

However, in the "past" before the ANLG, there is no bridge of time to reach the Space Beyond from the White Dimension.
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Can we say that contumilla inhibit space beyond or they live in space beyond ?
 
Planck69 said:
This makes sense to me. Just to be clear, can you tell me what you see to be the final tiering of the different cosmology aspects? Just so we're all on the same page.
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Firestorm808 said:
Does my above interpretation Sound reasonable for the OP?
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What tier would you grant to cosmological layers? Do you agree with the final Summary in the OP or would you like some changes?
 
Planck69 said:
This makes sense to me. Just to be clear, can you tell me what you see to be the final tiering of the different cosmology aspects? Just so we're all on the same page.
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Here's what I'm thinking:

Each Dimension inside a timeline: Low 2-C
Individual Timeline: 2-A
Timestream/Tree: Low 1-C 5D
Hypertimeline/White Space/Rainbow Black Space: 1-C 6D
Annihilargh Effect: 1-B, if we agree that its effect goes past White Space to the space Beyond
The Space Beyond/Omniverse: 1-B
 
Firestorm808 said:
Here's what I'm thinking:

Each Dimension inside a timeline: Low 2-C
Individual Timeline: 2-A
Timestream/Tree: Low 1-C 5D
Hypertimeline/White Space/Rainbow Black Space: 1-C 6D
Annihilargh Effect: 1-B, if we agree that its effect goes past White Space to the space Beyond
The Space Beyond/Omniverse: 1-B
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Do we wait for counter arguments?
 
Firestorm808 said:
Here's what I'm thinking:

Each Dimension inside a timeline: Low 2-C
Individual Timeline: 2-A
Timestream/Tree: Low 1-C 5D
Hypertimeline/White Space/Rainbow Black Space: 1-C 6D
Annihilargh Effect: 1-B, if we agree that its effect goes past White Space to the space Beyond
The Space Beyond/Omniverse: 1-B
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Alright then.
 
NXCHT.66 said:
You can make changes in about 50 minutes.
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Not so soon I guess. I'll have to wait for confirmation from Firestorm if something needs to be added in my blog's explanation after which I'll make changes in the cosmology page
 
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