Bayonetta Verse Revisions: Low 1-C, Infinite

[Comicgyal]

Okay. Thank you for the replies.

Is there anything else that we need to do here?

No not really

 

[Cyberblader90]

to clarify, what would the speed section for characters look like. Do you have an outline?

 

[Comicgyal]

angels for example

Massively Hypersonic+ with MFTL+ combat speed and reactions. (Reasoning)

 

[EFÍTÉ]

Hmm i sure its still needs to be discussed if anybody scales to Irenic.

There is a major diference on lore and in gameplay

Also, why exactly we are scalling everbody to him if no feats of reaction exists ?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

From what i remember, the MFTL+ depends on Irenic, gameplay wise nobody reacts to Irenic at top speed.

Bayonetta and fodder angels do, not sure why youre not undrstanding this

 

[Cyberblader90]

angels for example

Massively Hypersonic+ with MFTL+ combat speed and reactions. (Reasoning)

wasnt this agreed via amps though?

something like:
Massively Hypersonic+, MFTL+ combat speed and reactions with temporal control

 

[Comicgyal]

yeah

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

From my understanding for everyone except witches and sages it would be...

[Insert current speed rating], Massively FTL+ combat speed and reactions with Statistic Amplification

For Witches and Sages it would be:

[Insert current speed rating], Massively FTL+ combat speed and reactions with Witch Time/Lightspeed

 

[EFÍTÉ]

Bayonetta and fodder angels do, not sure why youre not undrstanding this

Ok, when as agreed somebody did react to Irenic at top speed?

 

[Cyberblader90]

From my understanding for everyone except witches and sages it would be...



For Witches and Sages it would be:

yeah this looks better

 

[Comicgyal]

That’s fine by me

 

[Cyberblader90]

Ok, when as agreed somebody did react to Irenic at top speed?

let me see if i understand your argument.

basically you are fine with mftl+ irenic, but are arguing it wasnt going full speed in mission 8

 

[EFÍTÉ]

let me see if i understand your argument.

basically you are fine with mftl+ irenic, but are arguing it wasnt going full speed in mission 8

Yes

 

[Comicgyal]

Also I ask again, whose calc are we using?

 

[Cyberblader90]

mine is currently accepted, and ive already explained why weekly's issue with it is moot. The low end was accepted by migue79

 

[EFÍTÉ]

To summ up my argument

I want proof of someone reacting to Irenic at TOP Speed.
In game we know he isnt going at top speed, making impossible to have a feat and scale to MFTL+

 

[Comicgyal]

Okay, we’ll go with yours then. If a mod could unlock all the profiles (if they aren’t already) that’d be great

 

[Cyberblader90]

Bayonetta (Character) | VS Battles Wiki | Fandom
bayo's page is unlocked it seems

 

[Antvasima]

Tell me here when I should close this thread.

 

[Cyberblader90]

will do

 

[Cyberblader90]

might need to reword it a bit. add in temporal control right before the parenthesis

how about:

Massively FTL, with MFTL+ combat speed and reactions via temporal control (Able to amp her speed with Witch Time, to match Irenic. )

 

[Comicgyal]

Okay, the rest of the profiles can be discussed on the discussion thread. So this one can be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

You should not use the MFTL+ abbreviation. Write it as Massively FTL+ instead.

 

[Cyberblader90]

hmm would that clutter that thread though?

 

[Comicgyal]

Changed it. Also doubt it, no one really talks.

 

[Antvasima]

I meant in the character profile pages.

 

[Comicgyal]

I know, I’ve only done bayonettas right now so I changed hers to the full word.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you.

 

[Theglassman12]

So I'm not gonna tackle the infinite and tier 1 stuff as that's completely finished.

Why are we scaling Irenic to the entire cast when the god tiers at best have feats in the thousands of times FTL compared to Irenic's TRILLIONS of times FTL? Something that's far above anything the god tiers can do?

 

[Cyberblader90]

bump

 

[Eficiente]

That speed scaling should be its own thread, 1 less messy and maybe staff only with notable names called. I'm neutral on it but it does seem suspicious.

 

[Comicgyal]

We’ve discussed the speed scaling for atleast two pages, came to a compromise, and how a few mods agree with it. I don’t see why there’s still a confusion?

 

[Theglassman12]

because the feat is not supported by the god tier feats which aren't nearly as fast.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

They're actually only the feats of the high tiers. The god tiers don't have any speed feats. The closest feats come from the high tiers (weakened jub tier), while Weakened Jub just had the shit beat out of her, just got punched by Bayo's strongest summon, and the feat itself was done casually. The god tier feats don't really matter if fodder angels like affinity are shown to keep up with Bayo while she was using witch time.

 

[Cyberblader90]

there is also the pluto beam + meteors

 

[Comicgyal]

Exactly what crimson said. Why does it matter? Oh noo, weakened Jubileus isn’t moving trillions of times FTL. It’s almost like she wasn’t fighting Bayonetta inside a giant bubble, while she was recreating the universe or anything. They get the feats via scaling, especially since Jubileus is literally powered by someone who’s comparable in speed to Bayonetta.

 

[Cyberblader90]

im just observing at this point. ive said all I had say previously

 

[Theglassman12]

@Crimson_Shadow101 ok, she's still far beyond Irenic who's way faster than her feat. Also when the hell have the angels remotely kept up with Bayo in witch time?

@Comicgyal Her fighting in a giant bubble means nothing here. The fastest we've seen Jubileus become is in the hundreds of times FTL, and Balder's laser feat is in the thousands of times FTL, neither of those are the same level as Irenic's feat.

 

[EFÍTÉ]

I want to point out
Irenic never went top speed in gameplay, Bayo never got to see top speed Irenic.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

@Crimson_Shadow101 ok, she's still far beyond Irenic who's way faster than her feat. Also when the hell have the angels remotely kept up with Bayo in witch time?

Literally in the intro we see them moving at a normal pace when Bayo uses witch time before entering puragito. In the same battle, Jeanne then amps witch time further making them appear slow again, only for them to amp themselves once again to return to normal pace. There are likely several other occurrences of this, but I'm busy right now and won't be able to find them until later.

Might I also add that, as posted in the OP's blog, Irenic's wheels are actually the first sphere symbols/icons so it's speed is considered to be on the level of the angels just below the 4 Cardinals, making it less of a fodder.