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Bayonetta Verse Revisions: Low 1-C, Infinite
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I can accept MFTL+ with Amps now. All it took was less strawmanning and more getting to the point.
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I only ask because they make a case of irenic being to achieve "great speeds" While I agree its rather low tier hierarchy wise, it seems to be special speed wise, at least in lore
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The amps we've been discussing for two pages...
And you wonder why i keep asking if youve read the thread...
And you wonder why i keep asking if youve read the thread...
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In movement/travel speed yeah, itsjust that things can react to it moving that fast and thus have reactions/combat sped on its level whtout being able to actively travel at that sped
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Here's a clip to better illustrate my meaning. Whether or not angels were chasing Bayonetta on regular cars is not important, what is important is the assumed speed these things are moving at. These cars are comparable enough that their speed can compete with Irenic. Is the assumption that Irenic is moving at it's lore speed here? If so explain this issue.
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was that
Is this your answer to my post or someone else?
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I would say the problem isn't Irenic being angel or not, is more of, Irenic is solely made to be this faster, while the others not.
They are not created equally, to prove they all have the same speed by amps or whatever, requires proof.
Saying they can match bayo isnt exactly proof, it requires proof that the AMP can do that and does not fall into assuming/assumption.
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That’s.. not entirely true, it’s not implied that Irenics existence was to be faster than every other Angel.
“However, it goes without saying that Irenic has existed since long before even the concept of history. Irenic is charged with spreading the message of Divine Will across Paradiso, and is most commonly depicted as a boxy form with four wheels capable of achieving great speeds.”
The book states that Irenics purpose is spread the divine will across Paradiso, and because it has four wheels, Irenic can achieve great speeds. Nothing in the book says directly that it’s the fastest Angel, just that it was made incredibly fast because of what it’s purpose was.
They aren’t created equally that much is true, but since we acknowledge that Irenic is a third sphere, any Angel his class and above should be comparable to him. Since second spheres and above are stronger. Also the witch time being changed thread kinda said the angels can amp themselves to match Bayos speed, so as far as vsbw goes, it’s accepted in that regard.
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Irenic is stated to be explicitly faster in TRAVEL speed, hence why no other angels can travel as fast as it can and hnce why the angels and bayonetta arent scaling to it in movement speed, only reactions and combat speed becaus theycan react to it and tag it while it is moving that fast
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Hmm i said to be this faster, never argued he is supposed to be faster than any angel.
I need link on that, and can you provide evidence they can amp ?
I not sure weekly, the Irenics dont see to be at their top speed.
Like you said travel speed, and there is no evidence as far i know they can react to Irenic at top speed.
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Honestly with how many times people are ashing or this it should just be in the OP
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unless im mistaken, isnt this exclusive to sage's and witches?
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Nope, thre ar angls that ar consistntly shown to b abl to amp to match witch tim and light speed
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do you have a scene of this? The entry just specifies sages and witches
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Please proof, there is 5 page thread with alot of things to read, if you just show us the proof already, things will be settled.
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But... are they moving at MFTL+ speeds?
Crashing against the traffic isnt enought, Hypersonic people already do that.
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They should be, there’s no realistic reason for Irenic to be moving slower than what he’s portrayed to do. Since he starts in by driving into the scene, he doesn’t teleport like all the other angels.
it would be better to read the thread, as opposed to requesting proof from someone who didn’t bring up angels amping themselves in the first place. Even if weekly cannot bring evidence, as already stated the Amps have been approved already.
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I've looked through the clip plenty of times and even booted up Bayonetta myself, the Irenic's don't move much faster than the normal vehicles on the road.
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Actually there is a reason, since bayo would only scale to reaction, if he goes at top speed, it would be impossible to him to stop bayo.
I asked proof for you originally, i did find one of the proof on the thread and....
What is being argued here is that angels can keep AMPING without limit ?
Because the video here, shows them slow after another witch time.
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so was any evidence ever posted that the angels'/demons have this temporal control ability
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The witch time thread yeah, there are lik five scans of angels amping thmselves to match witch time in that thread
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ill read all of it in a bit
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if so, then i think comicygal already agreed earlier it would be that speed with the amps, and that would be specified on the pages
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Its moreso that Witch Time can be stacked, amping bayo ven higher
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most have concluded that MFTL+ via amps was fine.
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What comicygal said, though a few users had some issues on either consistency from what I understand or displayed speed from the character itself within the game not matching up with its feat in lore
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MFTL+ via amping for angels or for everyone (Witch time and Light Speed included.)?
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This was posed as a question; I forgot to add the question mark. My bad.
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Well after looking through the which time thread I can concur that I did find evidence that Angels do possess temporal control. Not sure on demons
The more so remaining issue from one I understand is the whole presentation in mission 8 of the original game where you fight irenic, and it's movements not matching up with lore supposedly
The more so remaining issue from one I understand is the whole presentation in mission 8 of the original game where you fight irenic, and it's movements not matching up with lore supposedly
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From what i remember, the MFTL+ depends on Irenic, gameplay wise nobody reacts to Irenic at top speed.
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