Then I'd have to extremely disagree with the proposal. This stuff just doesn't qualify for Immeasurable speed, or any speed tier for that matter.
"Bypassing" the time axis encompassing a tier 2 structure just to travel between multiple tier 2 structures just isn't immeasurable speed, it's just interdimensional range.
Don't know the necessity of repeating what was already contested. Traveling between a Tier 2 structure cannot be considered interdimensional range in this case because the character that can perform said feat is described as doing so by his speed alone:
If we follow the exact logic you're presenting, then any character with a feat of traveling beyond linear time with sheer speed wouldn't have a Immeasurable Speed ranting since this would be simply Time Travel.
It'd still just be rated as interdimensional speed even this way as the distance between universes isn't quantificable (don't assume out of nowhere it's "uncountably infinite", that's not the standard, otherwise any 2-C to 2-A feat would automatically be Low 1-C) for this purposes. Or in other words it's just "Unknown" speed-wise.
Uh, I think you are getting things pretty much misinterpreted with that sentence. I agree with you that the distance between universes isn't quantificable, but that's the
very reason I'm arguing being Immeasurable Speed, rather than Unknown; because the distance between Tier 2 structures (timelines) is not quantificable by using three-dimensional notions of space, or rather, any notion of space at all. The feat involves crossing the
time dimension, not a spatial dimension. We know that any Speed tier up to Infinite is based on crossing space/distance, but in the Immeasurable ranting it is based on crossing time beyond its linear succession, which is what the feat of Irenic is (transversing a time axis).
I would also like to mention that the Tiering System FAQ says this:
Similarly, moving in a higher-dimensional
space also doesn't qualify as Immeasurable speed, and would be
more appropriately rated as
Interdimensional range
What you are arguing to be the case on Irenic's feat applies to higher-dimensional spaces, which was never brought on this thread in the first place and in
post #15 I clarify that. As for that:
(don't assume out of nowhere it's "uncountably infinite", that's not the standard, otherwise any 2-C to 2-A feat would automatically be Low 1-C)
Uncountable infinity is not Low 1-C in the case that I am presenting. A Low 2-C structure is uncountably infinitely above a 3-A one the same way a Low 1-C structure is above a Low 2-C one. Please note that the Tiering System of this wiki is based on higher dimensions that can be potrayed to uncountable infinites in contrast to lower dimensions, like a Reality > Fiction interaction, starting with 4D ranting itself:
Low 2-C: Universe level+
Characters or objects that are capable of significantly affecting
[1], creating and/or destroying an area of space that is qualitatively larger than an infinitely-sized 3-dimensional space. Common fictional examples of spaces representing such sizes are
space-time continuums (the entire past, present and future of 3-dimensional space) of a universal scale. However, it can be more generally fulfilled by any 4-dimensional space that is either:
A) Equivalent to a
large extra dimensional space. That is, a higher-dimensional "bulk" space which embeds lower-dimensional ones (Such as our universe) as subsets of itself, whose dimensions are not
microscopic / compactified.
B) Portrayed as completely transcending lower-dimensional objects and spaces in the setting of a given work of fiction.
While the B example seems to be talking about a higher dimension of space, the purpose on this thread is to talk about that Irenic's feat correlates with a temporal dimension (after all, the thread is about speed, not power).
The space between universes is a spatial dimension, not a temporal one, especially as if it was a temporal one, only one universe would exist at a time, which clearly isn't the case here, at best that'd just fall as infinite speed as said before, with this detail in mind.
The space between
timelines is separated by time and space (space-time), as a set of parallel universes posseses their own space-time continuum. That why crossing it cannot be applied by standard measures of three-dimensional space, due to a time dimension being present in the equation.
I have to raise awareness on some site standards to back-up my arguments, especially considering you clearly are a newcomer to the site, please get customized to the policies of this site regarding this stuff.
True, but you should also explain by your own reasoning with a certain thing is not valid, besides quoting pages that, while useful, are pretty much subjected to be edited in the future if someone decides to make a CRT regarding, for example, the Speed page.
