Technically, Gin's sword retraction speed from Mach 500 to Mach 1000 is not Gin's reaction, moving, and fighting speed. All speeds are different for all characters. Candice lightning is superior to nature even when she was weaken not counting the Vollstandig multiplier in power being portrait by Yhwach as superior to Bankai.Mach 500 Gin and slower than real lightning Candice say hello. Don’t be disappointed in the wiki, be disappointed that Bleach has fodder speed on its own
Technically bleach is the fastest HST right now because of hikone right?
Its been to long since i checked i thought it was naruto dodging the SoL beam from madara then the upscaling made them the fastest verse
Nah , naruto ain't got no speed amp via upscaling , they still are just far above naruto 2.11 calc
I know bro either arc past thread need to continue or we need to create a new thread for this and atleast update Gremmy feat to multi solar system. Also Yhwach and Ichibē should be upgraded to Atleast this feat.
That screenshot from my old Gremmy calc is outdated there’s a new one on my blog
Hikone speed feat + Ichigo’s Bankai and Horn speed multiplier make him the fastest in the HST on site.
There’s a mindset difference in the 3 God Tiers reaching cosmic tiers via acquiring the power of Bleach’s creator god vs a Sternritter who upscales a lot of the Elite Sternritter and by proxy a lot of CFYOW characters. The difference is for the God Tiers there’s literal pages of evidence and it’s very consistent due to how small the scaling circle is, wherein Gremmy scales to much more characters (the essential top tiers) thanks to CFYOW with just a single feat compared to the multitude of consistent tier 6 feats.Not really.Its just people don't wanna upgrade it. Gin doesn't make sense Ichigo was dodging that. And Candice one did he serious when he fought her
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I still don't get it why Gremmy outer space was rejected. I checked the thread it was no outlier. Its just closed without a proper reason.
1. Gremmy was strongest Sternritters who was inclined to equal to Yhwach.
2. Its a AP feat. Its clearly explained he took a large quantity of Reishi to create a outer space in an instant.
3. If it's not AP feat he would have easily won against Kenpachi. He could have imagined him die and that's all. We have Gremmy feat of creating a life and Destroying it too.
4. The one of the argument seen there was why would he create a outerspace. That doesn't matter because Gremmy was locked up because of he is OP. Even Yhwach was vary of his powers. He probably didn't know any other ways he just created a outer space.
5. Every verse is getting upgraded because of creation feat. Just saying outlier for Bleach is only BS.
6. So you people are saying Bleach characters just jumped from multi continental to uni+
I really hate to bring other verse scaling but Just check how black clover speed is calculated. You can clearly use Lille light attacks and make a good calculations.Mach 500 Gin and slower than real lightning Candice say hello. Don’t be disappointed in the wiki, be disappointed that Bleach has fodder speed on its own
Wait isn't a source called light and has properties of reflection is lightspeed. Pretty sure FAQ page stated that. Also it's clearly reflected when Nanao deflected it.
The difference between Lille's Light and Patry/Licht's light is that Patry/Licht's light have statements of being light-speed while Lille's doesn't (despite the fact that i personally believe Lille's light is bare minimum light speed)
Gremmy created outer space with 6 of clones and even if it's not multi galaxy still multi solar system is enough.
Please re read the chapter. Lille claimed it as light many times
Speaking of unmasked does anyone have the whole thing translated?
Being called light is not a requirement. Read the page more carefully.
You misunderstood what my intention was. I’m not saying you can’t argue it, in fact I use tier 3 Gremmy all the time. What I’m saying is, Gremmy falls much more under the outlier via vsbw standards considering how many other characters he scales to (Kenny, Byakuya, loads of CFYOW characters). Which in comparison to the vastly more consistent tier 6 feats causes Gremmy to stay at tier 6. That’s not the case for the God tiers hence why they got their ratings.
That doesn't denote light speed with this Wiki, you have to have either consistent statements of something/someone being light-speed or a bunch of circumstantial evidence that points to someone/something being light-speed.
13Blades ig?
Not really its clearly reflected like a light and it didn't attacked back. Just check the chapter again.
The problem is it being stated to reflect the attacks of a gods which shows that it is the power of the sword and not a characteristic of lille's light, it would need to reflect on a mirror or a different zanpakuto for it to count
Fair enough, i mean a databook addressing the bleach arcs but the interview was pretty good aswell
From the day I made a account in this wiki whatever topic brought up for BLEACH all I can see rejection by outliers
I call this “YouTube powerscaling syndrome”.
Bro I am not asking for 3 or 2 tier Gremmy.
Bro there are feats to back up the claims
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No no you are declaring war on everyone by saying this
Yes really read the light speed criteria on the Wiki Lille doesn't qualify for light speed, Black Clover got light-speed because they'r like 4 statements of characters being light-speed which is above anything that is stated or shown by Lille. Because the don't have enough evidence to satisfy the light-speed criteria and while i personally agree that Cero's are light speed they don't satisfy the criteria. You haven't provided the evidence why going off the VSBW light-speed criteria.
Whatever
ah yes the “it’s obvious it’s this way because I said it is”, ok.Bro I am not asking for 3 or 2 tier Gremmy.
Its even clear Kenpachi is compared to likes of Ichigo and Aizen in CFYOW.
Kenpachi getting a 4A rating ain't bad.
Also it's pretty clear Yhwach is not some guy who is multi continental.
By wiki calculations Ulqioura and Grimmjow beats Base Yhwach
I never claimed ceros are lightspeed. I know thats already rejected. Whatever bro however you like it. It seems wiki is only usable for abilities. Scaling really doesn't makes sense. Different verses are treated differently. I guess it's wiki policy. Can't say anything.
Whatever bro. I just wanted to upgrade the verse.
Look, during a period in the past, I can agree with this that Bleach was treated differently because of some reasons.
Bruh
I mean …. it’s actually moving at FTL speeds when ya think about it so
I also said the same above
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