BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[YukaSama4]

Yea, I move at LS without bending space too

 

[Kingcrim212]

Bending space isn’t inherently lightspeed Earth bends space without moving at lightspeed

No point in talking to a brick wall.

 

[AppleLord]

I found that calc in Comic Vine. Arc may have an account there then.

 

[Deceived3596]

I found that calc in Comic Vine. Arc may have an account there then.

Traitor how could he

 

[Tyri456]

Lille deserves light speed, he even used his light to remove shadow from the ground and make people blind, just Kubo lazy doesn’t want to write speed of light, but Lille light seems like real light.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I found that calc in Comic Vine. Arc may have an account there then.

I made it for some other wiki when everyone had that phase of making their own wikis.

 

[Reio35]

Mach 500 Gin and slower than real lightning Candice say hello. Don’t be disappointed in the wiki, be disappointed that Bleach has fodder speed on its own

A lot of verse have anti speed scales like dragon ball for example. In the anime it's stated gohan is at the mercy of dyspo's LS movement. Despite him scaling above ssg goku who is mftl++++. White beard got hit with regular bullets

Bleach has LS and FTL feats from low tiers but over looked by anti feats. I can show more FTL and LS feats than mhs+ feats

 

[Reio35]

Doesn't spiritual pressure perception counter genjustu? Someone puts you in the genjustu. Your spirit pressure sense will tell you somethings wrong. With genjustu usually plp are aware their in it so they would know to to trust their 5 senses

 

[CalmHill]

Mach 500 Gin and slower than real lightning Candice say hello. Don’t be disappointed in the wiki, be disappointed that Bleach has fodder speed on its own

Arc dont make me nuke the ratings we could sink hard but multiverse theory says one of em get a them timelines gets to mftl

 

[Theendzero13]

Arc dont make me nuke the ratings we could sink hard but multiverse theory says one of em get a them timelines gets to mftl

According to multiversal theory the hell arc already ended and we found out that every layer of hell is a stacked dimension

 

[CalmHill]

According to multiversal theory the hell arc already ended and we found out that every layer of hell is a stacked dimension

Like we already do know hell is a multiverse. Def a speacil place since there’s no concept of life and death in it. But I’m waiting to see if yhwach got power crept or not. If they were training at all regularly he should be 🗑.
[but cfyow makes it seem like not everyone’s training byak and tosh have slacking]

 

[CalmHill]

Fair enough, i mean a databook addressing the bleach arcs but the interview was pretty good aswell

It was 13 blades and the rebooted souls, the rebooted souls was a catch up book for fans jumping into the tybw. But not really anything in it. 13 blades was the last actual “guide”.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

Doesn't spiritual pressure perception counter genjustu? Someone puts you in the genjustu. Your spirit pressure sense will tell you somethings wrong. With genjustu usually plp are aware their in it so they would know to to trust their 5 senses

i guess? since bleach characters basically have 6 senses

 

[Loyd]

Its already accepted afaik reikaku soul vision negs the normal 5 senses illusion mind manip, just isnt on the profiles

 

[Creed100]

the feat of aroniero escaping light is one of the clearest things for speed of light

 

[CalmHill]

Giving a simple light bleach thing so it’s all here and it can all be said

Cero, Quincy arrows, gantenbaines prayer, ulqs lance, cero osc [pog instantaneous], asnodts light thorns, negacion, Auswählen

Tosh dodging gin, ichigo dodging and blocking hanzas moonlight reflection, arren dodging light, Lille, most of Maki Ichinoses fights. Light zanpacto and light man? who wouldn’t thought ?

 

[Luziifero]

I made it for some other wiki when everyone had that phase of making their own wikis.

yo arc how come aarroniero dodging a sun light beam is not considered light speed according to wiki standards

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It got rejected because the anime has the sunlight hit Aaroniero before he dodges, and they argued that the shading of his face in the manga was just artistic flair.

 

[Luziifero]

It got rejected because the anime has the sunlight hit Aaroniero before he dodges, and they argued that the shading of his face in the manga was just artistic flair.

were their arguments sound or did they have any holes in them?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

With the knowledge from CFYOW I’d say it’s sound to dismiss Aaroniero’s feat, as statements > fan calcs. And lowballing Aaroniero’s feat is like sub-rel, which would upscale everyone, then you’d have like rel+ to FTL characters (if not higher) struggling with “slower than real lightning” attack speeds.

 

[M11UTD]

Oetsu outpacing his shadow is a very solid feat imo

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Lille deserves light speed, he even used his light to remove shadow from the ground and make people blind, just Kubo lazy doesn’t want to write speed of light, but Lille light seems like real light.

Bro this is enough to prove light speed. Well I am busy IRL I can't make a CRT now. I will try to make it one in future. If wiki accepted other Verses as lightspeed because of same reasons it should accept for bleach too.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Giving a simple light bleach thing so it’s all here and it can all be said

Cero, Quincy arrows, gantenbaines prayer, ulqs lance, cero osc [pog instantaneous], asnodts light thorns, negacion, Auswählen

Tosh dodging gin, ichigo dodging and blocking hanzas moonlight reflection, arren dodging light, Lille, most of Maki Ichinoses fights. Light zanpacto and light man? who wouldn’t thought ?

Too bad your argument gonna be brushed off with some anti feats. It seems even if bleach has 100 good feats wiki only considers one Anti feat.

 

[PrettyVixenGirl]

Sounds about right hardest verse to upgrade for years lmfao

 

[SilentBob34]

With the knowledge from CFYOW I’d say it’s sound to dismiss Aaroniero’s feat, as statements > fan calcs. And lowballing Aaroniero’s feat is like sub-rel, which would upscale everyone, then you’d have like rel+ to FTL characters (if not higher) struggling with “slower than real lightning” attack speeds.

I still find it funny how because of 1 or 2 statements from Narita in CFYOW it automatically overwrites anything in the manga regarding speed lol.Especially when his power scaling is all over the place. It could go both ways because of his statements with Hikone’s speed, but looking at it, there’s no difference in speed between post bankai training bankai Ichigo and Candice when people know that she’d easily blitz him.

I’m pretty sure I remember saying that any character that isn’t a top or god tier wouldn’t be faster than MHS and you said that wasn’t the case at all, but what you said pretty much indicates that’s the case lol.

With your planned multiplier thread that’ll probably try and take away and Sub Rel rating for characters I don’t see how anyone besides CFYOW Characters could maybe have a MHS+ rating because statements> than fan calcs so Ichigo reacting to Gin’s bankai should be dismissed as well so that rating will probably be gone. Then there’s the whole “well it’s a new arc so they got stronger” statement but honestly, that doesn’t hold up well because somehow Shunsui is MHS and 6B pre time skip, but magically is High 6A and Sub Rel post time skip when nothing indicates he trained whatsoever.

 

[SilentBob34]

Either way, if we’re going with purely the statement route, then people like Ginjo who is MHS+ for calling Candice’s arrows slow and reacting to her lightning has comparable reiatsu to Tokinada, Yoruichi and royal guard training Byakuya, then no character who is weaker than them should somehow be able to have a much higher speed rating without concrete proof

On the upside though, it should at least upgrade FB Shikai Ichigo to MHS+ given he casually handled base Ginjo. The only things that point to Ginjo getting stronger is him getting a spiritual body and training for a couple days with Ganju. Given how easily FB Ichigo handled base Ginjo, at most CFYOW Ginjo would be comparable to FB Shikai Ichigo

 

[YukaSama4]

then people like Ginjo who is MHS+ for calling Candice’s arrows slow and reacting to her lightning has comparable reiatsu to Tokinada, Yoruichi and royal guard training Byakuya

Tokinada, Yoruichi, and Byakuya arent comparable to Ginjo

 

[CalmHill]

Idk why ginjo that’s trying to be off the radar, so suppressed, possibly more than ss ichigo? is used to power cliff others. Neither Candice who is trying to rat tactics bait them for a blitz and one shot.

Especially since the way they taunt her is being like haha not ls+L+ratio
So she goes faster but they still Gucci

 

[CalmHill]

Then there’s the whole “well it’s a new arc so they got stronger” statement but honestly, that doesn’t hold up well because somehow Shunsui is MHS and 6B pre time skip, but magically is High 6A and Sub Rel post time skip when nothing indicates he trained whatsoever.

The captains are stated to train twice
Once in unmasked
Once at the start of one of the chapters in the lost agent arc.
And in cfyow we literally see how people don’t just stop training everyone rat packing tokinada for scaling. [there’s legit like 12 people fighting tokinada at once]

On the upside though, it should at least upgrade FB Shikai Ichigo to MHS+ given he casually handled base Ginjo. The only things that point to Ginjo getting stronger is him getting a spiritual body and training for a couple days with Ganju. Given how easily FB Ichigo handled base Ginjo, at most CFYOW Ginjo would be comparable to FB Shikai Ichigo

What is this ginjo slander, he straight boxed fb Bankai ichigo. And it was stated to be a “hard fight”. The 1st thing he says after getting ichigos power, is if ichigo wasn’t here, everyone would have a problem. Pre Bankai btw [tokinada for shadowed?]
Which is consistent with the narrative of the retsu fight in the tybw. showing fb shikai ichigo when talking about kenpachis rivals.

+ ginjo is one of the strongest active in cfyow.
Kenpachi [read cfyow] >hikone [boxs him and scared everyone] > ginjo [stated he could box hikone]> kisuke [can box hikone but not physically] >= mayuri [same statement] =<Yoru= shunsui = tokinada =byakuya [all are stated to be relative]

 

[AppleLord]

Who wants to bet that Madara is going to kill Aizen and negate his generation with a truth-seeking orb in the upcoming Death Battle?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Izanagi (or Izanami I don’t remember) spam for reality rewrite for 15 minutes gg

 

[Cyberblader90]

you might also be able to argue wood clones can use it, possibly limbos under db rules as well

 

[AKUTO123]

Gremmy is easily Multi-Solar System level.

multi galaxy makes much more sense especially when you see the galaxy on the bottom right of the panel

 

[Cyberblader90]

arc does aizen neg nullification of regen

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Closest thing to that I can think of is the Hogyoku evolving past Gin’s Bankai, which was a powerful cell eroding poison or sumn that overpowered Aizen’s regeneration.

 

[T2KBaka]

Who wants to bet that Madara is going to kill Aizen and negate his generation with a truth-seeking orb in the upcoming Death Battle?

It's death battle, Aizen lost already.

Naruto tanking Mugetsu

 

[AppleLord]

It's death battle, Aizen lost already.

Naruto tanking Mugetsu

Ben said on twitter a while back that they were wrong in that fight and even discussed it on the Deadpool vs The Mask podcast. And on the Ichigo vs Naruto podcast they said they were biased in the fight with Naruto in mind as the winner from the start.

 

[Cyberblader90]

he did not say that

 

[BleachHollow]

Ben said on twitter a while back that they were wrong in that fight and even discussed it on the Deadpool vs The Mask podcast. And on the Ichigo vs Naruto podcast they said they were biased in the fight with Naruto in mind as the winner from the start.

Source?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

multi galaxy makes much more sense especially when you see the galaxy on the bottom right of the panel

I am even happy if wiki just accept multi solar .