BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Tyri456]

Few thoughts from the finale:

• Man the art direction looked beautiful, honestly that’s a praise that goes through the entire cour, but I can’t say enough how good it looks, to quote MrTommo they just lift Kubo’s art from the page onto the screen and that’s awesome
• The soundtrack was banging as well, I’ve always been a Sagisu fan, but he keeps dropping bangers, any time the Quincy OSTs were playing I was vibing
• All the extra Ishida family scenes were great, Ryuken and Uryu parallels on point especially with the graveyard scenes, but my favorite was the extended Uryu flashback with Souken, “on our honor as Quincy we MUST protect this world” gave me chills
• The implicit promise of more Soul King lore to come with Jushiro/Mimihagi tease at the end and Rangiku looking at Gerard has me frothing for the new content
• All the fight choreography look so good, so glad Gerard is 2D, both his and Askin’s start of the fights looked great
• The voice actors really elevated the anime for me, I didn’t expect to be so consistently blown back by their performances this cour, but it might be my favorite part of the anime so far, you can really feel the love they put into the show through their performances which is awesome
• Random aside, I really like the smooth transition of zooming out from Yhwach to the Wahrwelt to the ending graphic lol
• The only thing I can fault the finale for is it being set up for cour 4 making the wait that much more excruciating lol, Bleach fans ate good this cour, by a long shot this is the best cour of the TYBW anime and I can’t wait for cour 4 to be even better

Now here’s kind of my wishlist for cour 4:

• More SK lore on Adyneus himself as well as his corpse parts
• What’s up with Renji and his pseudo fused with Zanpakuto Bankai, in fact it’d be great to explore the concepts of transcendence and fusing with your Zanpakuto more
• Extended fights for all the final fights, don’t leave any character in the dust (Fullbringers, Chad, Isshin and Ryuken, etc)
• More expansion on Quincy history in general (why was Souken banished explicitly, what was Yhwach and Adyneus’s relationship like)
• Perhaps some more original sin lore too, we got teased with brief Soul King flashbacks, but seeing more from that era would be awesome
• Aizen’s Bankai ability, I know he’s transcended beyond that but I still want to see it even if I have a pretty solid grasp on what I believe it is
• And my Hail Mary is more Hell arc implications and foreshadowing

Anyway it’s good to be a Bleach fan rn, glad that I can experience this with yall

One question, but why you keep saying Renji fused with his zanpakuto?
he’s not neither in base or shikai, that’s just how his bankai look like as design armor looking

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

One question, but why you keep saying Renji fused with his zanpakuto?
he’s not neither in base or shikai, that’s just how his bankai look like as design armor looking

I’m not making an objective claim, I just said it’s hinted he might have a pseudo fusion based on his Uryu fight. When he splits his arm to make his Bankai appear at the end of the fight.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I’m not making an objective claim, I just said it’s hinted he might have a pseudo fusion based on his Uryu fight. When he splits his arm to make his Bankai appear at the end of the fight.

It makes me wonder if Rukia possibly had a similar treatment, or Byakuya.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Byakuya very likely didn’t, it’s just heavily implied he’s below Shinji atm

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Me rn wondering what the hell's gonna happen next cour:

 

[Tyri456]

I’m not making an objective claim, I just said it’s hinted he might have a pseudo fusion based on his Uryu fight. When he splits his arm to make his Bankai appear at the end of the fight.

I just take it as him trying to recreate the bankai but not enough spiritual pressure

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I just take it as him trying to recreate the bankai but not enough spiritual pressure

Yeah that’s a valid interpretation too. I’m not saying it IS indicative of pseudo transcendence, but that Kubo COULD do something with it

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Two questions:
1. Is Gerard affected by Renji's scaling?

2. Is Ichigo's Zanpakuto hanging feat telekinesis?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Is Gerard affected by Renji's scaling?

No, at least not rn. We have multitudes of evidence suggesting that healing grave injuries doesn’t fully restore your spirit energy. Plus there’s the unresolved point of if Renji recovered from getting his reishi stolen by Uryu. For the time being at least, we have more reason to believe Renji isn’t at full power. Cour 4 could change that lol but for now no

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

No, at least not rn. We have multitudes of evidence suggesting that healing grave injuries doesn’t fully restore your spirit energy. Plus there’s the unresolved point of if Renji recovered from getting his reishi stolen by Uryu. For the time being at least, we have more reason to believe Renji isn’t at full power. Cour 4 could change that lol but for now no

I edited my comment midway to ask if Ichigo's Zanpakuto hanging is a use of his TK

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I edited my comment midway to ask if Ichigo's Zanpakuto hanging is a use of his TK

Probably. Funny enough we already know Shinigami can do limited TK with the whole Rangiku reiatsu booby tape. So I imagine Ichigo is doing a more advanced application of that. We also know that TS Ichigo can solidify his reiatsu so not crazy either

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Probably. Funny enough we already know Shinigami can do limited TK with the whole Rangiku reiatsu booby tape. So I imagine Ichigo is doing a more advanced application of that. We also know that TS Ichigo can solidify his reiatsu so not crazy either

Ichigo also used TK before too when he fought Ulquiorra when Zangetsu took over with The Chain. I think this is Zangetsu's ability, if so, very cool that he's using more of his kit.

I wonder of he'll use the duplication. F**k Cour 4 can't come fast enough

 

[Adam1396]

Two questions:
1. Is Gerard affected by Renji's scaling?

2. Is Ichigo's Zanpakuto hanging feat telekinesis?

1. Renji fought weaker form of uryu different than the one that beat senjumaru with mimihagi marks, red eyes.
His scaling should be connected to gerard, yes.

2. Yes. It's pretty clear

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Byakuya very likely didn’t, it’s just heavily implied he’s below Shinji atm

LMAO.
It was impressive that Shinji managed to hurt Gerard without even using the amps from his Hollow mask, while Gerard easily brushed off Byakuya's Shikai.

I suppose Byakuya's Bankai would scale him above Shinji due to the boost it provides, whereas Shinji's Bankai relies on a hax based ability and doesn't give him much of a boost?

 

[Tipper17]

Renji fought weaker form of uryu different than the one that beat senjumaru with mimihagi marks, red eyes.

ya know thinking about how do we handle uryu scaling?
we know theses characters already upscales Senjumaru feat
Yhwach
Ichigo
Aizen

uryu and jugram as well tho uryu a weird case cause he still was strong enough to put a hole in a TS shikai ichigo even if the latter wasn't was serious like he was in there round 2

@Arc7Kuroi ya can offer ya suggestion

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

May I know why the cosmology is rated as 3A possibly L2C instead of either 3A or L2C

I couldnt find any blogs that discuss it, I assume it's in some ancient crt

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ichigo thinks him and Uryu need to team up to defeat Almighty Jugram is all I’m gonna say.

The scaling is a bit nuanced but I think y’all will see the vision when I post my thread.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

May I know why the cosmology is rated as 3A possibly L2C instead of either 3A or L2C

I couldnt find any blogs that discuss it, I assume it's in some ancient crt

3-A, possibly Low 2-C comes from a compromise of what “destroying all of Soul Society means”. That compromise being whether they’re destroying the spacetime continuum or just the physical universe.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

3-A, possibly Low 2-C comes from a compromise of what “destroying all of Soul Society means”. That compromise being whether they’re destroying the spacetime continuum or just the physical universe.

is there a blog or crt where this was decided that you could kindly point me to?

I assumed the 2C stuff came from Dangai and Garganta embedding the structures as lower subsets

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Ichigo thinks him and Uryu need to team up to defeat Almighty Jugram is all I’m gonna say.

The scaling is a bit nuanced but I think y’all will see the vision when I post my thread.

I kinda see the idea. Ichigo suggested that they should kill Jugram rather than sleepy Yhwach.

 

[Tyri456]

Two questions:
1. Is Gerard affected by Renji's scaling?

2. Is Ichigo's Zanpakuto hanging feat telekinesis?

Hachi knows healing and it’s stated it can restore even Reiryoku in bleach, so I go with the easiest interpretation Renji is just healed.

In the manga Renji was fine and he still get KO’d, mind you Kubo wrote it.

Shinji is also shown relative to Byakuya,and I believe Byakuya > Renji.

At this point I just put Uryu hold back and never got injured anyway so I don’t apply scaling between him and Renji. I think it’s reasonable.

If there will be any clear way to scale Renji higher via nerf I’ll be open, but the Gerard thing for me now is author intent that just byakuya zaraki and Toshiro are build enough to fight gerard.

Or other options, is upscaling lot of people around s0. Which is debatable ig.

 

[Tyri456]

Ichigo thinks him and Uryu need to team up to defeat Almighty Jugram is all I’m gonna say.

The scaling is a bit nuanced but I think y’all will see the vision when I post my thread.

I think as well Almighty Jugram can be scaled near Almighty Yhwach somehow

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

is there a blog or crt where this was decided that you could kindly point me to?

I assumed the 2C stuff came from Dangai and Garganta embedding the structures as lower subsets

Got decided years ago in an AKM thread I think.

There is no 2-C stuff on the profiles. I've got a 2-C Bleach thread that will be coming out before January ends, so that should have your answers. In the mean time, this thread starts to touch on why the realms CAN refer to universes: https://vsbattles.com/threads/above-heaven-and-below-earth-0-alone-surpasses-13.160302/ and more specifically that why in the case of Squad 0 they're referring to the universe and not the planet.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Got decided years ago in an AKM thread I think.

oh man

There is no 2-C stuff on the profiles. I've got a 2-C Bleach thread that will be coming out before January ends, so that should have your answers

Fairs

In the mean time, this thread starts to touch on why the realms CAN refer to universes: https://vsbattles.com/threads/above-heaven-and-below-earth-0-alone-surpasses-13.160302/ and more specifically that why in the case of Squad 0 they're referring to the universe and not the planet.

You've shown this to me before I agree with it

 

[Johner2133451]

Thread 'Uryu Ishida vs Captain Ginyu'

Dec 29, 2024

Uryū Ishida

Uryū Ishida (石いし田だ 雨う竜りゅう, Ishida Uryū?) is a Gemischt Quincy residing in Karakura Town. He is a Doctor at Karakura Hospital, and a friend of Ichigo Kurosaki. He is a former member of the Wandenreich with the designation "A" - "Antithesis", one of Yhwach's "Schutzstaffel" (親衛隊シュッツシュタッフェル...

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Captain Ginyu

Captain Ginyu (ギニュー) was the leading member of an elite mercenary platoon, the eponymous Ginyu Force. He was killed by Vegeta after swapping bodies with Tagoma in Resurrection 'F' Saga. Tier: At least 5-A | At least 5-A | 10-C | 4-A Key: Base | Goku's Body | Namekian Frog's Body | Tagoma's Body...

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• bleach captain ginyu dragon ball uryü ishida
• Replies: 13
• Forum: Versus Threads

 

[Robo432343]

No.

 

[Hellscream]

No.

Big words coming from you

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

oh man

It was during an era where we took what we could get lmao, unfortunately the "uni Bleach wars" spanned several threads that were often just continuations of each other, so there's no one thread I can point you too. Plus I think a lot of my older arguments just outright suck lol

Fairs

Yeah I'm kinda going at the pace of the anime, since they're adding so much new stuff I figured it's best to wait before as cours go. I want to make a cosmology blog once the anime is fully concluded. Granted that won't be for like another year lol.

You've shown this to me before I agree with it

Based. I wanna say I proposed 2-C in that thread, but idk if I really agree with 2-C that much, I think 4-A is probably better and less speculative.

 

[Ebihara]

Big words coming from you

I would normally agree, but Johner has been on a GENERATIONAL run lately, and might take robo's GOAT title.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

It was during an era where we took what we could get lmao, unfortunately the "uni Bleach wars" spanned several threads that were often just continuations of each other, so there's no one thread I can point you too. Plus I think a lot of my older arguments just outright suck lol

I understand it is bleach's version of ETSO drama and would naturally lead to that but assuming you were present there could you give me a TLDR of where the tier 2 is coming from?


Tbh after cour 4 is probably the best if you wish to take back 2C bleach as it would have the most anime canon content itll likely expand on much needed things

 

[Hellscream]

Robo finally meeting someone on his own level

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I understand it is bleach's version of ETSO drama and would naturally lead to that but assuming you were present there could you give me a TLDR of where the tier 2 is coming from?

It's just equivocal interpretations of what destroying existence entailed in those old Bleach threads. We granted that it would at least encompass the physical matter (3-A) while possibly referring to the structural construct of the realm as a spacetime continuum as well (possibly Low 2-C). In a nutshell it was accepted that Reio's ED would cause the everything to be destroyed, and everything was granted basically at least 3-A, possibly Low 2-C. Very bare bones, but that's the TLDR. Personally, I think you can be a little more critical and skeptical of those types of arguments, but I plan on replacing them here soon anyway.

Tbh after cour 4 is probably the best if you wish to take back 2C bleach as it would have the most anime canon content itll likely expand on much needed things

Fs fs.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

does anyone know when cour 4 will drop

No release date yet. I'm gonna guess october 2025.

 

[Deceived3596]

Thread 'Gremmy's Nonexistent Non-Existence Erasure and his Not-Nonexistent-Non-Physical Interaction'

Dec 29, 2024

Introduction:

Simply put, I believe, with the evidence we are given, Gremmy shouldn’t have Nonexistence Erasure. I originally planned on including this in my previous ability removal thread, but I decided against it, given how controversial the ability is, and what the replacement ability would entail.

Argumentation - Gremmy’s Nonexistence Erasure:

To address why I disagree with the ability ascribed, I’ll need to lay some groundwork: In the given feats, we see Gremmy destroy a careening block of concrete blasted off by Kenpachi, and the next one is Gremmy...

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• content revison thread gremmy thoumeaux
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• Forum: Content Revision

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[LordGriffin1000]

No release date yet. I'm gonna guess october 2025.

Noooooo!!!!

 

[PerezosoUlixes]

1. Renji fought weaker form of uryu different than the one that beat senjumaru with mimihagi marks, red eyes.
His scaling should be connected to gerard, yes.

2. Yes. It's pretty clear

I don't see why would Ishida be weaker after awakening his power and then mastering them.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I don't see why would Ishida be weaker after awakening his power and then mastering them.

He’s not lmao it’s just cope

 

[SlendVeny]

I know he got taken out after, but Yushiro beating down on Askin was cool as hell, the Ora-Ora Rush move made me laugh.

 

[Adam1396]

ya know thinking about how do we handle uryu scaling?
we know theses characters already upscales Senjumaru feat
Yhwach
Ichigo
Aizen

Yes, that is correct

uryu and jugram as well tho uryu a weird case cause he still was strong enough to put a hole in a TS shikai ichigo even if the latter wasn't was serious like he was in there round 2

Uryu put hole through a incapped paralyzed senjumaru, off guarded ichigo.
None of these really qualify to scale him to their actual full powered form.

And I was pointing out, the one that beat senjumaru is stronger than the one that renji fought. His red eyes, mimihagi marks makes it very clear both are different forms

@Arc7Kuroi ya can offer ya suggestion

 

[Adam1396]

May I know why the cosmology is rated as 3A possibly L2C instead of either 3A or L2C

I couldnt find any blogs that discuss it, I assume it's in some ancient crt

These will be tackled in future after cosmology revision I suppose.
We might get 2C for squad zero and a lot higher for god tiers. Time will tell