Excellence616
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1) Reiatsu is passive
2) You can control your Reiatsu level.
3) You can't use one Reiatsu properties. Fear, Paralysis and Soul Manipulation goes together when using Reiatsu.
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Ichigo Vs Kai
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2) You can control your Reiatsu level.
3) You can't use one Reiatsu properties. Fear, Paralysis and Soul Manipulation goes together when using Reiatsu.
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Ichigo activates it when entering a fight according to previous scan, and this one further supports that idea, so its though based.
Reiatsu other effects are clearly based on the Fear Manipulation part, and Kai in S4 was able to overcome his fear and doubt in order to massively amp himself, as well as the Dark Matter argument I brought up earlier which he resisted and could even casually clean off with his EP, so I can argue he can counter Reiastu even by assuming its passive
So?
Didn't deny that
Excellence616
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Reiatsu is Passive. It's not something that is activated. All Yamamoto did was to increase his Reiatsu levels to affect Nanao.
Saying Ichigo needs to activate Reiatsu is going against what's already accepted.
And as for dark matter Kai resistance, does it affect the Soul?
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Mind + Body + Spirit + Perception of Time and arguably even Fears
ReaperAndBlues
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His reiatsu isn't merely released by him, it shows that it just overflows when he was about to fight him, something that happens on its own. And if you argue that it's thought-based, then Kai can't blitz him because thought based actions are only second to passives in terms of speed.
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ReaperAndBlues
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There is also the matter that Kai doesn't have Soul Manipulation, only resistance, so he can't fully interact with Ichigo in the first place. You need NPI and Soul Manipulation to harm Bleach souls, and Kai only has the former.
Ichigo's reiatsu is something he controls, not by manually releasing, but rather holding it in. Without reiatsu control, the World of the Living would suffer heavy damage. And this is supported by the fact that even seasoned captains have to get nerfed when they enter a Senkaimon down to 20% to reduce damages. The only reason pre-timeskip Ichigo never really reiatsu crushed was because he never learned the true nature of himself, and this meant that he couldn't control his powers because he held them back (or rather Zangetsu did). More support is that Captains need to control the size of their Zanpakuto or else they become as large as skyscrapers. So Reiatsu control isn't passive, but Reiatsu itself is. Even proper control isn't enough sometimes as with Starrk, he needed to split his soul in order to prevent the Hollows he met from getting Soul Crushed.
Ichigo's reiatsu is something he controls, not by manually releasing, but rather holding it in. Without reiatsu control, the World of the Living would suffer heavy damage. And this is supported by the fact that even seasoned captains have to get nerfed when they enter a Senkaimon down to 20% to reduce damages. The only reason pre-timeskip Ichigo never really reiatsu crushed was because he never learned the true nature of himself, and this meant that he couldn't control his powers because he held them back (or rather Zangetsu did). More support is that Captains need to control the size of their Zanpakuto or else they become as large as skyscrapers. So Reiatsu control isn't passive, but Reiatsu itself is. Even proper control isn't enough sometimes as with Starrk, he needed to split his soul in order to prevent the Hollows he met from getting Soul Crushed.
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With my previous argument about Kai and Fear Manip, this will turn into incon
ReaperAndBlues
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Actually, you can win via incapacitating or BFR given that it's maintained for 24 hours. Since Kai can't attack faster than passive (or with your logic thought-based) paralysis and fear manip, Ichigo can win.
Excellence616
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Despite the fact that Kai has soul resistance, he can't win since ichigo can harm the Soul every attack.
ReaperAndBlues
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Well, it's a little more, interesting, than that. Kai can resist soul corruption, but not direct soul damage, at least from what I see on his profile, the kicker is: Kai himself doesn't have Soul Manipulation, which is one of the things you need to harm Bleach souls. So really, Kai can't harm him.
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1. Reiatsu is a passive ability that they all release thro their vents that they have in their bodies (explained by aizen/urahara). They Have to actively LOWER it to not kill people around them,
2. ichigo is already stated to be the reason why his friends had higher spiritual pressure/why they can now see ghost BECAUSE he has (early on) been leaking his spiritual pressure on his surroundings when around them when he had poor control over it.
2. ichigo is already stated to be the reason why his friends had higher spiritual pressure/why they can now see ghost BECAUSE he has (early on) been leaking his spiritual pressure on his surroundings when around them when he had poor control over it.
TegamiBachi25
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This seems like a stomp. Even if Kai resists ichigo passive soul reiatsu crush, he can’t touch ichigo.
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Reminder Kai can repetively blitz him, so Icon
ReaperAndBlues
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Kai can't move remember.
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Due to what? Reistu's fear hax only appear to work on weaker beings, Kai scale far higher
ReaperAndBlues
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He doesn't resist it, at all. It doesn't matter if he's stronger, he can't resist it. This isn't Dragon Ball where you can resist hax via just being stronger. In Bleach sure they follow that rule, but it's also considering they resist it in the first place. Kai doesn't and never has.
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Yes it does matter, using previous scan, Reistu only worked on weaker beings.
ReaperAndBlues
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Weaker beings that resist fear hax.
ReaperAndBlues
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In any case, this match can't happen anyway. Kai can't interact with Ichigo, he lacks soul manipulation because he only has a resistance to it.
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Kai can harm ghosts who are technically souls
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Didn't they explode over the Soul Crush...
ReaperAndBlues
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That was because of the AP diff. Kai would resist getting blown up.
It's not on the profile that they're souls, just intangible beings.
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It should be, since they are litterally dead souls (also kinda mentionned in Morro's page)
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In the Bleachte this is so, as long as the heart of the shinigami beats, their reiatsu leaks out, it cannot be shut off and is out of control, the shinigami only have control over it in terms of quantity and range, for example aizen creates a cloak to suppress his reiatsu and with this cloak he suppresses his reiatsu.
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I think that Ichigo will shatter kai with sc and I agree with what reaperandblues said
Ichigo FRA
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ichigo stomps because of passives
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So, does Ichigo win or we can't count this due to stomp
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we cant count this
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If you say that SC does not contain any fear and that these characters are caused by personality, eye contact, etc., you are wrong. With Yachiru, who looks like a cute child and does not express any fear, he scares the Shinigami when he releases his reiatsu, and the same goes for Aizen Grimmjow and the SC that Grimmjow throws at Ichigo and Rukia.
