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It's in chapter 81 of Baki Son of Ogre
It's in chapter 81 of Baki Son of Ogre
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Baki verse downgrade
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What's wrong with Baki profiles?
Why is Yujiro dodging lightning on the list of speed feats even though it was debunked by a calculation team member in the blog comments?
Why is Sukune's feat being used in the profile even though you've been debunked by several members of the calculation team?
Why does Beastquit's profile say that he created a huge earthquake during the fight with Guevara, when this has been debunked?
Why Baki High Hypersonic when we don't have such a calculation?
Why is Yujiro dodging lightning on the list of speed feats even though it was debunked by a calculation team member in the blog comments?
Why is Sukune's feat being used in the profile even though you've been debunked by several members of the calculation team?
Why does Beastquit's profile say that he created a huge earthquake during the fight with Guevara, when this has been debunked?
Why Baki High Hypersonic when we don't have such a calculation?
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Nothing is set in stone. Especially with a feat so open to debate as the earthquake one. Please don't tell people what to do.
Actually it was considered a big earthquake by Hanayama who was ~10 meters away from Yujiro.
They don't, half the verse scale to the 7-C thing. Don't rely to the pages, 95% of them are still at 8-A because of another CRT a year ago that has put the current 7-C to 8-A and haven't been updated since.
Some month ago, there was a huge thread resuming the whole situation of how to treat the powers in the series. And why there was clearly a 8-C to 8-A side vs a 7-C to higher side.
Roughly speaking, Itagaki limits himself more or less according to what the story needs, when the fight between the two god tiers of the series was approaching after having been hyped for 100 volumes (Really), he multiplied absurdly powerful feats and Yujiro tanked a lightning bolt, then Baki shook the whole neighborhood by hitting himself in a wall, or killed an elephant of several tens of meters high with ease. You get the idea.
Then after this fight was over, another god tier of the same level as the other two appeared, and his most powerful feat, which required the most strength, was to make a hole a few dozen centimeters wide in a steel wall. And the reason it works in story is because the god tiers of the verse are systematically shown as JUST superhumans even when they do feats over the top like that. After all, there are people who actually tanked lightning irl.
We were shown two times with Yuichiro and Musashi that it doesn't require more than tier 9 actually. Even through we don't know precisely for Yuichiro, and Musashi just confronted a platoon, and just hinted that it would be the same no matter how many soldier there was.
You're dangerously close to realizing something.
It wasn't accepted, read the comments. The correct way to calculate the shaking of the skyscrapper would be calculate it's mass and then KE using Peak Ground Acceleration, which would probably be low around Tier 9.
Hanayama is not a reliable source to gauge a strength as precisely as that, he's a badass idiot 15 years old kid who is bad at math and have a terrible writing at that specific moment and he's completely normal outside of that. We're not in Dragon Ball Z.
Baki isn't stronger because he activated his endorphins, there is no panel showing that iirc, the logical conclusion is that Hana is correcting himself.
A t-rex was frozen with Pickle, that feat isn't usable. Even if it was just 8-B in the end.
And please, don't start to say that t-rex are 7-C like notoriousoda did. The meteor killed all the dinosaurs, not all except t-rexes. Pickle was close, but not taken in the explosion.
There is no official demonic back multiplier and Hana isn't reliable.
Actually the speed of A LOT of calcs are unusable in some way.
We have Musashi's dash speed based off a sentence from Tokugawa obviously overhyping himself, Sikorsky who dodge a bullet that consider his feet was on the ground while he was dashing to Gaia when Gaia shot and it's obviously aim dodging. Yujiro dodging lightning that consider the lightning comes from the top of the panel. While it's explicitely said that it's a natural lightning, and in the end, it's just Baki imagining how strong is his father and not an actual feat. And Doyle dodging a bullet that wasn't fired. (The timeframe that should have been calced is the time needed to pull the trigger, not the speed of the bullet itself)
Ah, if he just lifted a sikorsky, I would have through it was weak, but a Sikorsky CH-53E Super Stallion
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Well, I made half the profiles on the verse with the help of another user, and used to change all of them at each CRT, but I suddenly lost interest in it because we were doing one every couple of days at one time because of those nuclear and earthquake feats being constantly discussed, again, again and again, like it's happening currently.
It happened so many times that a warning had been put on yujiro's page to tell people not to try to upgrade him on those feats anymore, and that those feats were already translated in a "likely higher" next to the 8-A tier he had at the time. But it seems it was ninja-removed without asking anyone.
And apparently no one else love both Baki and stats enough to free time to change a hundred pages at once.
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What do you mean by saying Mususi's dash feat is overrated. Don't we have the official timer from the manga?
By the way, how do we feel about Katsumi's punch. Profilers give 78 Mach for this, although it seems like a catchphrase
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There is none. Tokugawa closes his fists in awe and go "Omg Omg OMG it must've took less than 0.00000..."
Katsumi's hitless blow is Supersonic. There is nothing showing that it's higher, characters even comment about how it's specifically passing the sound barrier that wreck his hands. Itagaki just forgot that Katsumi could already do that and at the same time, he talk about how he was already able to do that. It makes no sense.
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I'm talking about an impact that's moving at 1,000 miles per minute. It sounds like a catchphrase
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Sure it is.
But anyway I'm not for using stats that characters just "think" they have when it makes such an abrupt difference in tier and there's no other support. It's the same debate as whether the earthquake is usable in the end, it's just that people don't care as much about the speed and don't take time to think about it. That shit's gonna be equalized anyway =>[]
But anyway I'm not for using stats that characters just "think" they have when it makes such an abrupt difference in tier and there's no other support. It's the same debate as whether the earthquake is usable in the end, it's just that people don't care as much about the speed and don't take time to think about it. That shit's gonna be equalized anyway =>[]
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Stop, wait. Has the Hypersonic+ feat been blown out of thin air too? I thought it was a timer from the author ...
Moreover, I leafed through "Baki Dou". One of the claims that Yujiro is stronger than a weapon was made by a frightened Trump, who was so frightened that he wet his pants and began to delirious
Moreover, I leafed through "Baki Dou". One of the claims that Yujiro is stronger than a weapon was made by a frightened Trump, who was so frightened that he wet his pants and began to delirious
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Nah the Musashi calc is legit it's stated by Author boxes
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It's good if it is. They just said above that this is the opinion of Tokugawa
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Nah it seems like it but the White boxes are from the perspective of like the story narrator
First pic is to show the difference between Tokugawa's thinking and the dialogue boxes
Last pic is to show that it can't be Tokugawa thinking, considering he can't read minds
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In that case, I have no problem with it.
By the way, what do you think about the fact that one of the statements that Yujiro is stronger than tanks and missiles is not made by the military who faced him in battle, but by a frightened Donald Trump who was shaking with fear
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Okay, I re-read the thing and apparently got it wrong. No problem then.
However, it still sounds like a pull and that it could have had 3 or 10 zeroes depending on the author's mood. I recall Musashi also saying 0.00... (one less zero) during his fight with baki just before being blitzed by the cockroach jab that goes at 170mph anyway.
I still think it should be put in likely or possibly if we use it. It's still vastly above the usual speed depictions in verse and is probably an exageration in some ways.
However, it still sounds like a pull and that it could have had 3 or 10 zeroes depending on the author's mood. I recall Musashi also saying 0.00... (one less zero) during his fight with baki just before being blitzed by the cockroach jab that goes at 170mph anyway.
I still think it should be put in likely or possibly if we use it. It's still vastly above the usual speed depictions in verse and is probably an exageration in some ways.
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Do you have a page for this? I mean "0.00" and 170 mph
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Baki dou chapter 183 for the "0.00" thing.
Son of ogre chapter 258 for Baki's cockroach speed.
The title of the chapter itself is also "168 miles per hour".
If it happens that the cockroach jab can't have a speed of 168mph for some reason (Baki's jab can totally be faster than his top running speed and the cockroach's gimmick is just to bring him to his top speed immediatly, not specifically to 168mph no matter what), I think that's what should be calced instead of Musashi's dash, since Musashi is apparently slower than that. And the author gives a real comparison to it right away with Bob Munden. It should be pretty easy to do if we calc the entire distance moved by Baki's three punches with a timeframe of 0.02 secs, I guess
Son of ogre chapter 258 for Baki's cockroach speed.
The title of the chapter itself is also "168 miles per hour".
If it happens that the cockroach jab can't have a speed of 168mph for some reason (Baki's jab can totally be faster than his top running speed and the cockroach's gimmick is just to bring him to his top speed immediatly, not specifically to 168mph no matter what), I think that's what should be calced instead of Musashi's dash, since Musashi is apparently slower than that. And the author gives a real comparison to it right away with Bob Munden. It should be pretty easy to do if we calc the entire distance moved by Baki's three punches with a timeframe of 0.02 secs, I guess
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Baki will be supersonic?Baki dou глава 183 для вещи "0.00".
Сын людоеда глава 258 за тараканью скорость Баки.
Название самой главы также «168 миль в час».
Если случится так, что джеб таракана не может иметь скорость 168 миль в час по какой-то причине (джеб Баки может быть полностью быстрее, чем его максимальная скорость бега, и уловка таракана состоит в том, чтобы просто немедленно довести его до максимальной скорости, а не конкретно до 168 миль в час нет независимо от того, что), я думаю, что это то, что следует использовать вместо тире Мусаси, поскольку Мусаси, по-видимому, медленнее этого. И автор сразу дает реальное сравнение с Бобом Манденом. Это должно быть довольно легко сделать, если мы рассчитаем все расстояние, пройденное тремя ударами Баки, с временным интервалом 0,02 секунды, я думаю.
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Could you create a separate thread about this point and call the members of the calculation team.
I would argue against half the exploits
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dm me that shit ig
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Ignoring Kaku Kaio's statement about mach punch is ridiculous, there is nothing wrong with this statement
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He also added "As fast as you want my friend", he doesn't even know himself and obviously pulled those numbers out of his ass. Plus, he's the one to say that Katsumi took damage because he passed the sound barrier.
Why was it even used to begin with? It's the kind of thing you see on the character pages when they're being created when there's not even a verse and it vanishes as soon as people start talking seriously about it.
Why was it even used to begin with? It's the kind of thing you see on the character pages when they're being created when there's not even a verse and it vanishes as soon as people start talking seriously about it.
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Why is Baki not FTL?
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How are you doing?
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-Members of the calculation group denied the stop of the earthquake. Some users want to give Yujiro 7-C/7-B through claims that he is stronger than the weapon. However, not only do the characters directly admit that they cannot test nuclear weapons on him because they live in the city, but some claims that he is stronger than weapons and tanks were made by characters who were under stress.
All other labors of the verse do not go beyond the boundaries of 9-A/8-C and we have one labor 8-B;
-Problems with speed. High-tiers have a High Hypersonic+ speed rating based on the character saying that "you can move as fast as you want. Whether it's a hundred miles per minute or a thousand." It looks like a popular expression and the result itself is an outlier, since it is 3 times higher than the highest feat accomplished by god tiers.
This feat also has problems. We have a narrative panel that says that the character took an action in "0.000..." seconds. Some time later, the same character is about to perform the same feat, but already 10 times slower than "0.00..." seconds, but his 168 mph attack flashes. This attack is one of the fastest in the verse.
It looks like Hypersonic is at odds with the narrative.
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The profiles stats of the verse are all over the place, with profiles like Sukune II still using the coal crushing into diamond feat for his lifting strength even though it was deemed as impossible to calculate, a feat that can't be performed with brute strength alone.
There are characters rated "8-A" scaling from "Base Yujiro" even though such rating is nowhere in his profile, or Sukune I being Class 50 for being "half as strong as strong as his Sukune II" who as I just mentioned is Class M by using an invalid calc.
This is also an issue with speed as well, characters are scaling to each other, they mention different profiles, only for said profiles to have completely different ratings.
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Nothing has been concretely voted yet. The issues are:
I might have forgot one or two things. Honestly I don't wanna read the entire thing again.
And notoriousoda haven't commented yet, so the hardest part of the discussion is still to come.
| Issue | Last concrete output about it |
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| Is Yujiro's earthquake feat usable? | The calc has been badly done and total seismic energy should have been used, which would put Yujiro at 7-A. It is to be discussed if it's an outlier or not. |
| Is Pickle tanking a meteor usable? | It's likely it isn't, since a t-rex was caught up in ice with him. |
| Is Musashi's Hypersonic dash usable? | The usability of the timeframe is to be discussed. But its arbitrary variability and the fact Baki blitzed him with a way slower attack seems to make it at least questionnable. |
| Is Hitless blow actually Mach 78? | Likely not. As Kaku is extremely vague when he introduce it and later explicitely says that it's just supersonic. Plus it's multiple time faster than the highest display of speed. |
| Is Sukune actually Class M for transforming coal into diamond? | Might depend on the translation. Has been proved impossible to properly calc. |
| What about sikorsky and doyle speed feats? And Yujiro's dodging lightning? | None of them are usable. The first one is aim dodging, the second one calculates the speed needed to dodge a bullet that has not actually been fired. The third one assumes that the lightning comes from the top of the frame when it is specified that it is a natural lightning. |
| Can the skyscrapper tremor be calced? | Yes but it would likely be tier 9, so it's useless, since it only applies to two tier 8-7 characters. |
I might have forgot one or two things. Honestly I don't wanna read the entire thing again.
And notoriousoda haven't commented yet, so the hardest part of the discussion is still to come.
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As I said earlier, that's not actually a tier issue or disagreements, it's just that some CRT haven't been applied.
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Not only is 7-A an outlier, but the feat was deemed pointless
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What do you think about the speed issues we outlined above?
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Sure, but if you take out the 2-3 tier 7-C and say they are 8-A it's pretty consistent actually. (More or less... more "less" than more)
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Alot of the currently accepted Baki calcs are being questioned and the 7-C Earthquake calc I believe has been straight up rejected
Right now we are discussing speed because the current scaling scales characters above hitless blow, which has a very questionable Mach 78 statement, based solely on the fact that Yujiro and ones comparable two him should be stronger which is not concrete at all
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