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I see. The statement can be used as a support for 8-B I think, since none of it is an especially higher tier. You don't need to be Tier 7 to beat an army after all.
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Baki verse downgrade
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In that case, can we make changes?
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What can you say about the Demons Back multipliers?
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| Attack Potency: | Result and explanation: |
| Earthquake Stopping Feat (7-C) Debunked | All characters return to "8-B+" scaling through the quarter shaking feat. If Baki has legitimate multipliers, then this can be used |
Feat "Yujiro tanks lightning" is downgraded | Rating has been lowered from "High 8-C+" to "8-C". The reasons are explained in the comments of the same blog |
| Recalculating the shaking of a skyscraper | Result is reduced from "8-A" to "High 8-C". Therefir will update the calculation using the new building dimensions, however this will remain in the same range |
Statements about the superiority of Yujiro over the army are secondary in nature | Statements will support the rating of "8-B/8-A", but it will not be an excuse for the rating of "7-C/7-B" since it is enough to be 9-8 tier for superiority over the army. Also, the statements themselves were either not verified, or made by people under the influence of stress |
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| 1,000 mph impact claim rejected | This is an outlier and a catch phrase. Also, this feat is several times greater than the feat of god-tiers, which will be questioned later |
"Sikorsky dodges a bullet" feat will be removed from the verse page | We have no evidence that the character moved after the shot This was noted by a member of the calculation group (at that time), but remained unanswered |
| "Doyle dodges a bullet" feat will be removed from the verse page | There was no shot as such |
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| Pickle tanks a meteorite | Is under a big question. A random character says that Pickle was hit by a meteorite impact. However, the scientist and the narrative itself make it clear that Pickle was instantly frozen due to the effects of the meteorite fall. It is not necessary to explain that the shock wave does not have freezing properties |
| Yuichiro survives a whole kiloton bombardment of the island | It is considered as a supporting feat. It cannot be calculated due to the unknown number of shells, the lack of a time frame and an unspecified distance from the epicenter of the explosions |
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| Sukune squeezes coal into a diamond | It was rejected by several members of the calculation group at once due to the inability to calculate the feat |
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Quick translations
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Have you the full version of this page? The translation says that the action took so long, but judging by the passage, the timer has just started going
Will you have the original of this page?
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Uhh confused... But this what I got quickly translating it
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Wait, is that just supersonic+ perception?
Uhh confused... But this what I got quickly translating it
Better version
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Massively FTL+ perception if the dots count as 0 
Hypersonic perception - High Hypersonic perception as it's start with comma ,000 I think
Wait... I'm getting confused
Yee... I'm not knowledgeable at all with reactions and numbers
I think its
Hypersonic perception - High Hypersonic perception as it's start with comma ,000 I think
Wait... I'm getting confused
Yee... I'm not knowledgeable at all with reactions and numbers
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It's 0.0009 secondsMassively FTL+ perception if the dots count as 0
I think its
Hypersonic perception - High Hypersonic perception as it's start with comma ,000 I think
Wait... I'm getting confused
Yee... I'm not knowledgeable at all with reactions and numbers
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I think the op needs updating? Or not if it's only about the earthquakes still
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Don't forget this supersonic feat early in the series that I just got done calcing
Yujiro Catches an Arrow
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Speaking of the feat of Pickle. I thought it would be Hypersonic since Jack's fist was frozen or something.
But Jack finished his punch just as Pickle started dodging.
However, he still didn't react to it.
Using subsonic response and a distance of 20 meters, we get:
20/0,0291 = 687 m/sec = 2 Mach
But Jack finished his punch just as Pickle started dodging.
However, he still didn't react to it.
Using subsonic response and a distance of 20 meters, we get:
20/0,0291 = 687 m/sec = 2 Mach
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Looks like all feats of speed will be from Subsonic to Supersonic+Don't forget this supersonic feat early in the series that I just got done calcing
Yujiro Catches an Arrow
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It makes sense to me
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Especially since in the Yujiro fight the just outright break the sound barrier no Mach punch needed
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Do you agree with the changes that I have indicated in the table?
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Huh? Yeah of course, there was that. Why wasn't it ever listed in the verse page? ô.o
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I'm okay with everything except the coal crush one. I don't have an opinion on that.
You also forgot yujiro dodging lightning and musashi's blitz in your list.
You also forgot yujiro dodging lightning and musashi's blitz in your list.
It's not that we don't have evidence that the character moved after the shot. We have evidence it's aim dodging, because his foot wasn't on the ground when Gaia shot actually. ^^
I'm repeating myself, but Pickle is as strong as a t-rex, if Pickle is strong enough to have tanked the explosion at whatever distance he was, so are they, and the meteor killed all the dinosaurs, not all except t-rexes. It's way more likely that they somehow wasn't caught in the explosion and only froze.
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As for the coal feat, it's impossible without heat and even Yujiro couldn't do it, so it can't be calculated.I'm okay with everything except the coal crush one. I don't have an opinion on that.
You also forgot yujiro dodging lightning and musashi's blitz in your list.
It's not that we don't have evidence that the character moved after the shot. We have evidence it's aim dodging, because his foot wasn't on the ground when Gaia shot actually. ^^
I'm repeating myself, but Pickle is as strong as a t-rex, if Pickle is strong enough to have tanked the explosion at whatever distance he was, so are they, and the meteor killed all the dinosaurs, not all except t-rexes. It's way more likely that they somehow wasn't caught in the explosion and only froze.
Plus, Itagaki first states that a pressure of 100,000 atmospheres is needed for a feat, and then says that Sukune's grip strength is 100 tons
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Yeah, I read the conversation, but I'm not knowledgable enough of lifting strength feats to know if it's valid reasons.
We also calc fire AP based of temperature change alone, while raising temperature to 1200°C would just make hot air. In my opinion, we should not hold back from making a calculation because the author has represented something impossible irl, it is rather up to us to adapt to it. The wiki already has dozens of impossible calculated feats.
Imo, it's not uncalcable if we just consider the pressure, but I have no problem with it being taken away. The problem for me is the inconcistancies between the infos given.
We also calc fire AP based of temperature change alone, while raising temperature to 1200°C would just make hot air. In my opinion, we should not hold back from making a calculation because the author has represented something impossible irl, it is rather up to us to adapt to it. The wiki already has dozens of impossible calculated feats.
Imo, it's not uncalcable if we just consider the pressure, but I have no problem with it being taken away. The problem for me is the inconcistancies between the infos given.
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Can you say something about stat multipliers?
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Someone said that endorphins double your strength, but that sounds like a bad translation.
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Can we then give Yujiro 8-A?
I don't remember what site rules say about scaling
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When Yujiro was scaling to Baki's earthquake, he was 8-A. That's why some characters are still at 8-A.
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Earthquake feat is now 8-B+
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I guess the characters should be scaled to the 8-A baseline.
It will only be Baki, Yujiro, Yuichiro, Pickle, Kaku Kayo and possibly Hanayama
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I think we should do something about the scaling of Orochi and the rest of the fighters. I understand that we do not have direct feats, but we have no reason to believe that they have become stronger and stronger by 2000 times within one ark.
In Orochi's case, I believe that we have no reason to believe that after Yujiro's defeat, the strength of his muscles, joints and bones dropped from 8-A to 9-A
In Orochi's case, I believe that we have no reason to believe that after Yujiro's defeat, the strength of his muscles, joints and bones dropped from 8-A to 9-A
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I thought about that too some time ago, and there might be some solutions. My main concern is that if we upgrade Doppo, that would make everyone more or less scaling to Baki's obviously over-the-top feat after Pickle. While everyone has feats immediately representative of their power at 9-B or 9-A. So, yes, it's an inconsistency, but it's only one versus dozens if you put it at 8-A/8-B.
But we can also take the problem upside down, and assume that Yujiro is the one who has improved since his confrontation with Doppo. Knowing that he one-shots Filth and Amanai who are more or less comparable to Doppo during the maximum tournament. So Yujiro was 9-A at the beginning of the story, and during his first fight with Baki. And only reached the level we know after the beginning of the maximum tournament. Nevertheless, this contradicts the fact that he was incomparably superior to Mohammed Ali in his youth, who is also comparable to Doppo if we scale ali to his son.
You make your choice, personally, I prefer to justify Doppo's downgrade by the fact he died once and had to rehab to say that he became weaker since. Anyway, the real problem is obviously that Itagaki waited Baki's flashback to make Yujiro the monster he is today.
But we can also take the problem upside down, and assume that Yujiro is the one who has improved since his confrontation with Doppo. Knowing that he one-shots Filth and Amanai who are more or less comparable to Doppo during the maximum tournament. So Yujiro was 9-A at the beginning of the story, and during his first fight with Baki. And only reached the level we know after the beginning of the maximum tournament. Nevertheless, this contradicts the fact that he was incomparably superior to Mohammed Ali in his youth, who is also comparable to Doppo if we scale ali to his son.
You make your choice, personally, I prefer to justify Doppo's downgrade by the fact he died once and had to rehab to say that he became weaker since. Anyway, the real problem is obviously that Itagaki waited Baki's flashback to make Yujiro the monster he is today.
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In which story arc was the Baki earthquake feat performed?
We could scale the characters down to a baseline of 8-B, gradually building them up to 8-A.
Regarding Orochi being weak. It would make sense if he became 2-3 times weaker.
But it doesn't make sense when the difference is more than 2000 times.
It's like after a cold your body becomes like tofu or paper in terms of strength.
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