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Baki verse downgrade

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NikHelton said:
The highest feat of a verse is 8-B and barely met the criteria for an earthquake
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I see. The statement can be used as a support for 8-B I think, since none of it is an especially higher tier. You don't need to be Tier 7 to beat an army after all.
 
Attack Potency:Result and explanation:
Earthquake Stopping Feat (7-C) DebunkedAll characters return to "8-B+" scaling through the quarter shaking feat. If Baki has legitimate multipliers, then this can be used


Feat "Yujiro tanks lightning" is downgraded		Rating has been lowered from "High 8-C+" to "8-C". The reasons are explained in the comments of the same blog
Recalculating the shaking of a skyscraperResult is reduced from "8-A" to "High 8-C".
Therefir will update the calculation using the new building dimensions, however this will remain in the same range

Statements about the superiority of Yujiro over the army are secondary in nature		Statements will support the rating of "8-B/8-A", but it will not be an excuse for the rating of "7-C/7-B" since it is enough to be 9-8 tier for superiority over the army. Also, the statements themselves were either not verified, or made by people under the influence of stress
Speed:
1,000 mph impact claim rejectedThis is an outlier and a catch phrase. Also, this feat is several times greater than the feat of god-tiers, which will be questioned later

"Sikorsky dodges a bullet" feat will be removed from the verse page		We have no evidence that the character moved after the shot This was noted by a member of the calculation group (at that time), but remained unanswered
"Doyle dodges a bullet" feat will be removed from the verse pageThere was no shot as such
 
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Durability:
Pickle tanks a meteoriteIs under a big question. A random character says that Pickle was hit by a meteorite impact. However, the scientist and the narrative itself make it clear that Pickle was instantly frozen due to the effects of the meteorite fall. It is not necessary to explain that the shock wave does not have freezing properties
Yuichiro survives a whole kiloton bombardment of the islandIt is considered as a supporting feat. It cannot be calculated due to the unknown number of shells, the lack of a time frame and an unspecified distance from the epicenter of the explosions
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Sukune squeezes coal into a diamondIt was rejected by several members of the calculation group at once due to the inability to calculate the feat
 
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その間実に 0.00･････････

消え!!?
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In the meantime, 0.00・・・・・・・・・

Disappear!!!!
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いかがですか父上･･･あなたの息子があみ出した時速270キロ!!?

蜚蝶タックル･･･すッッ
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How do you like it, Father... 270 km/h your son has just made!

Butterfly Tackle....
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Quick translations
 
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———————と分析るまでの経緯—————時間にしてコンマ000..................?秒
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------- and analysis of the math of the economics-- --- time to conma 000 ..................? Seconds
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Uhh confused... But this what I got quickly translating it

Better version
と分析るまでの経緯時間にしてコンマ000………?秒
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The time taken to analyze the results is comma 000..................? Seconds
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Massively FTL+ perception if the dots count as 0 🙈
NikHelton said:
Wait, is that just supersonic+ perception?
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I think its
Hypersonic perception - High Hypersonic perception as it's start with comma ,000 I think

Wait... I'm getting confused 🤔

Yee... I'm not knowledgeable at all with reactions and numbers 🙉
 
I think the op needs updating? Or not if it's only about the earthquakes still
 
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CuddleFox said:
The problem is that we already know the destructive force of the dash and have seen its effects, and it's nowhere close to tier 8.
Observe how a cockroach move and try to calc it the same way, maybe you'll see what the problem is with that reasoning.


That didn't happen in the diegesis, that's an ad.

Toba crashes on a 4x4 and destroys itGrappler Baki 198
Kaku breaks a wall in raitai with Yujiro's strengthNew Grappler Baki 231
Yujiro hits the ground during the raitai and destroys itNew Grappler Baki 233
Baki breaks glasses and takes 6 shirt buttons without being seen at all by anyone when he is surrounded by the prison guardsSon of Ogre 57
Pickle bends a truck by crashing into itSon of Ogre 106
Katsumi breaks all the windows in his room with a shockwave when testing the hitless blowSon of Ogre 122
Pickle dodges Jack's blow and comes back in place right awaySon of Ogre 145
Pickle spins Jack 7 times before he hits the groundSon of Ogre 152
Retsu hits through a boxing gloveSon of Ogre 205
Yujiro disappears from everyone's sight when militaries are spying on Baki's house during the father-son dinner.Son of Ogre 248
Just before falling after Baki did his first 0.5second blow on him, Yujiro makes a complete 180° rotation of the leg to catch himself while he was about 2 centimeters away to touch the ground.Son of Ogre 271
Yuichiro tanked 1000 tons of ammunition that made the island change shape for 6 monthsSon of Ogre 286

The Yuichiro one is (maybe) calcable by getting the amount of destroyed land and dividing that total energy per second. Like it was done here: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Agnaa/Katanagatari_-_Ganryu_Island_Shrinking
Althrough it will likely give a tier 9 result. And we might have to ask a calc group member first, as that method is a bit strange.
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Don't forget this supersonic feat early in the series that I just got done calcing

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Yujiro Catches an Arrow

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Mach 1.44
 
Speaking of the feat of Pickle. I thought it would be Hypersonic since Jack's fist was frozen or something.
But Jack finished his punch just as Pickle started dodging.
However, he still didn't react to it.
Using subsonic response and a distance of 20 meters, we get:

20/0,0291 = 687 m/sec = 2 Mach
 
Let's vote
Who is for and against the list of changes that I mentioned above?

And how do you feel about the feat with the meteorite?
 
I'm okay with everything except the coal crush one. I don't have an opinion on that.
You also forgot yujiro dodging lightning and musashi's blitz in your list.

NikHelton said:
We have no evidence that the character moved after the shot This was noted by a member of the calculation group (at that time), but remained unanswered
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It's not that we don't have evidence that the character moved after the shot. We have evidence it's aim dodging, because his foot wasn't on the ground when Gaia shot actually. ^^

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NikHelton said:
And how do you feel about the feat with the meteorite?
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I'm repeating myself, but Pickle is as strong as a t-rex, if Pickle is strong enough to have tanked the explosion at whatever distance he was, so are they, and the meteor killed all the dinosaurs, not all except t-rexes. It's way more likely that they somehow wasn't caught in the explosion and only froze.
 
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CuddleFox said:
I'm okay with everything except the coal crush one. I don't have an opinion on that.
You also forgot yujiro dodging lightning and musashi's blitz in your list.


It's not that we don't have evidence that the character moved after the shot. We have evidence it's aim dodging, because his foot wasn't on the ground when Gaia shot actually. ^^

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I'm repeating myself, but Pickle is as strong as a t-rex, if Pickle is strong enough to have tanked the explosion at whatever distance he was, so are they, and the meteor killed all the dinosaurs, not all except t-rexes. It's way more likely that they somehow wasn't caught in the explosion and only froze.
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As for the coal feat, it's impossible without heat and even Yujiro couldn't do it, so it can't be calculated.

Plus, Itagaki first states that a pressure of 100,000 atmospheres is needed for a feat, and then says that Sukune's grip strength is 100 tons
 
Yeah, I read the conversation, but I'm not knowledgable enough of lifting strength feats to know if it's valid reasons.
We also calc fire AP based of temperature change alone, while raising temperature to 1200°C would just make hot air. In my opinion, we should not hold back from making a calculation because the author has represented something impossible irl, it is rather up to us to adapt to it. The wiki already has dozens of impossible calculated feats.
Imo, it's not uncalcable if we just consider the pressure, but I have no problem with it being taken away. The problem for me is the inconcistancies between the infos given.
 
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Yeah, I read the conversation, but I'm not knowledgable enough of lifting strength feats to know if it's valid reasons.
We also calc fire AP based of temperature change alone, while raising temperature to 1200°C would just make hot air. In my opinion, we should not hold back from making a calculation because the author has represented something impossible irl, it is rather up to us to adapt to it. The wiki already has dozens of impossible calculated feats.
Imo, it's not uncalcable if we just consider the pressure, but I have no problem with it being taken away. The problem for me is the inconcistancies between the infos given.
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Can you say something about stat multipliers?
 
They said that because hana said baki was twice as strong as him, then baki used endorphins and hana said "No, four times".
Except Hana isn't a reliable source. It just works for saying endorphins makes Baki stronger.
 
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They said that because hana said baki was twice as strong as him, then baki used endorphins and hana said "No, four times".
Except Hana isn't a reliable source. It just works for saying endorphins makes Baki stronger.
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Can we then give Yujiro 8-A?
I don't remember what site rules say about scaling
 
I think we should do something about the scaling of Orochi and the rest of the fighters. I understand that we do not have direct feats, but we have no reason to believe that they have become stronger and stronger by 2000 times within one ark.

In Orochi's case, I believe that we have no reason to believe that after Yujiro's defeat, the strength of his muscles, joints and bones dropped from 8-A to 9-A
 
I thought about that too some time ago, and there might be some solutions. My main concern is that if we upgrade Doppo, that would make everyone more or less scaling to Baki's obviously over-the-top feat after Pickle. While everyone has feats immediately representative of their power at 9-B or 9-A. So, yes, it's an inconsistency, but it's only one versus dozens if you put it at 8-A/8-B.

But we can also take the problem upside down, and assume that Yujiro is the one who has improved since his confrontation with Doppo. Knowing that he one-shots Filth and Amanai who are more or less comparable to Doppo during the maximum tournament. So Yujiro was 9-A at the beginning of the story, and during his first fight with Baki. And only reached the level we know after the beginning of the maximum tournament. Nevertheless, this contradicts the fact that he was incomparably superior to Mohammed Ali in his youth, who is also comparable to Doppo if we scale ali to his son.

You make your choice, personally, I prefer to justify Doppo's downgrade by the fact he died once and had to rehab to say that he became weaker since. Anyway, the real problem is obviously that Itagaki waited Baki's flashback to make Yujiro the monster he is today.
 
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CuddleFox said:
I thought about that too some time ago, and there might be some solutions. My main concern is that if we upgrade Doppo, that would make everyone more or less scaling to Baki's obviously over-the-top feat after Pickle. While everyone has feats immediately representative of their power at 9-B or 9-A. So, yes, it's an inconsistency, but it's only one versus dozens if you put it at 8-A/8-B.

But we can also take the problem upside down, and assume that Yujiro is the one who has improved since his confrontation with Doppo. Knowing that he one-shots Filth and Amanai who are more or less comparable to Doppo during the maximum tournament. So Yujiro was 9-A at the beginning of the story, and during his first fight with Baki. And only reached the level we know after the beginning of the maximum tournament. Nevertheless, this contradicts the fact that he was incomparably superior to Mohammed Ali in his youth, who is also comparable to Doppo if we scale ali to his son.

You make your choice, personally, I prefer to justify Doppo's downgrade by the fact he died once and had to rehab to say that he became weaker since. Anyway, the real problem is obviously that Itagaki waited Baki's flashback to make Yujiro the monster he is today.
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In which story arc was the Baki earthquake feat performed?

We could scale the characters down to a baseline of 8-B, gradually building them up to 8-A.

Regarding Orochi being weak. It would make sense if he became 2-3 times weaker.
But it doesn't make sense when the difference is more than 2000 times.
It's like after a cold your body becomes like tofu or paper in terms of strength.
 
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