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I must admit im not entirely sold on the High 4-C Ishikki either
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Awarding Boruto Many Success Achievements Via Shippuden Achievements Of Success
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But his training without the 8 gates only reached him Town Level, therefore his boost to six paths level is based on 8 gates, not on training.
that's simply because their base is weaker, Might Dai for example was shown to be bullied by two ninjas that Kid Kakashi soloed.
Cell Saga SSJ Goku > Namek Saga SSJ Goku, cause his base is stronger, it has nothing to do with the transformation.
I never claimed that The Kage can't use it if they want, my notion is that they didn't and it's hypothetical to assume they can use all Eight, and even if they did they will reach six paths realm for a few minutes, and then die.
cause The Gate of Death isn't so normal as plain training, it's just a temporal boost and with ton of drawbacks such as immense pain and eventually death.
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One thing I didn't see anyone touching is the Chojuro Suit despite letting himself be shot down still being wounded by the new generation Swordsmen and Kuro simply being defeated in direct confrontation with Ku.
This kind of goes against their level as proposed in the thread, even more when we remember that the Swordsmen had the level of Boruto and company in their Academy days and Ku was pressured and almost defeated by the Genin of Team 7, despite him having collided Jinton with the old Oonoki whose scale is unknown, even if we put him at his level at the time of the great war, it would still be far from the level proposed here.
This kind of goes against their level as proposed in the thread, even more when we remember that the Swordsmen had the level of Boruto and company in their Academy days and Ku was pressured and almost defeated by the Genin of Team 7, despite him having collided Jinton with the old Oonoki whose scale is unknown, even if we put him at his level at the time of the great war, it would still be far from the level proposed here.
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I feel like admitting that here publicly is a really stupid idea
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no it reached him six paths level.
Might Dai has access to 8 gates and wasnt anywhere close to six paths level
But thats exactly what im arguing, the 8 gates has a multiplier based on your base, the amp that base Guy receives is astronomical, the question is that why is it okay for eight gates to reach six paths level, an ability that everyone who with enough training and skill could do . but any other from of scaling is off the table.
the larger point is that there is a precedence for characters to be able to fight six paths without having to literally be six paths level. so arguing that there needs to be a strict linear progression to reach those six paths levels is incorrect
your missing my point, whether or not the kages can use 8 gates isnt relevant to what i was arguing, the point is people make exception for 8 gates, im referring to the ability, not the act of doing it, as being a legitmate way to reach those powers but will put their head in the sand for anything else
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Actually Chojuro only scales to Kinshiki with his jutsu, he would physically be Unknown, so that’s not really a contradiction.
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Also I agree with Shadow, the High 4-C stuff is a tad iffy imo, but all the Tier 5 stuff is fine.
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that's a non sequitur, it having consequences doesn't mean anything.
I could argue that Tenten made some rice balls in 15 min that if you eat them you become Multiversal but you lose your life. would that suddenly be okay because of the consequences added to boost
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There's this statement from The Last Naruto Movie Novel that states Sasuke was the strongest of Kakashi's students at that point in time.
It could make sense as Sasuke isn't hindered by the Village and is travelling around the world and beyond honing his abilities and the Rinnegan.
All in all it could just mean by the time they reach adulthood, and after the events of Gaiden, Naruto is able to shake off the rust and catch up again.
Another thing
In one of the promotional material for Boruto, it states Majestic Attire Susanoo is the "Strongest Ninjutsu".
Can this be used to put it above ETSO?
攻守最強の武神を生み出す！！
Giving birth to a God of military arts with the strongest offense and defense
九喇嘛に須佐能乎を装備させる最強の忍術！！
The strongest ninjutsu, which allows Kurama to be equipped with Susano'o !!
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Please no.
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Ik, i just want to have fun
But i will see how the arguments will go here and decide what to do
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I totally understand your point, you are the one who can't understand mine.
basically, The Gate of Death is different than "any other form of scaling" cause it's a suicidal temporal boost that made him reach that level for a very short amount of time and after that, he automatically dies, while plain training including his own only reached him Town Level, and it's far from even comparable to 8 Gates.
Plain Training buffs your base to a certain level and make you that strong passively.
The Gate of Death buffs you astronomically for a few minutes in contrast to immense pain, literal blood vapor from every spot of his body, and eventual death.
You try to act as if they are the same, and question why we can accept a suicidal boost to reach a high level but not a passive simple training boost that almost all characters through the story did so.
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What's the issue?
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Ok I'm done reading through the beautiful post but there's no way this particular one is happening
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We should upgrade Hashirama to high 4c since he beat the "strongest Ninjutsu" .
Yep. It may make sense for certain verses where you can't hurt or hax your opponent if you are not of similar level but generalising this assumption is questionable.
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nope verse is 12 c
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and the characters in the story believe that these kage can fight six paths character, which they prove to do by fighting six paths characters...
There is no difference here other than audience suspension of disbelief.
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He’s talking about naruto & sasukes, not madara’s
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攻守最強の武神を生み出す！！
Giving birth to a God of military arts with the strongest offense and defense
九喇嘛に須佐能乎を装備させる最強の忍術！！
The strongest ninjutsu, which allows Kurama to be equipped with Susano'o !!
the context of the scan is in regards to Naruto and Sasuke
It's Naruto and Sausage's strongest Ninjusu which is fair but it doesnt mean it's stronger than ETSB
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Well it says it has the strongest offense and defense and it doesn't exactly specify them alone.
Really tho, I don't mind this getting rejected and just thought I'd bring it up for discussion
If it's rejected, idc
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Since you ducked from Guy's discussion and hoped into Bourto's, I genuinely would stop here, continuing this discussion would only give me a severe headache cause we still start debating on whether they got six paths or not, Boruto vs Naruto Shipudden shit, and what not.
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Can anyone who has a random opinion that doesn't contribute to the discussion at hand, not speak please? Like I fail to see how this is constructive in any way whatsoever, it is just annoying.
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I don't care about Naruto, I just read a few chapters and remember nothing, but wouldn't that just be durability? Similar to Orihime's shields
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Gaara uses the same sand for offense and defense.
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Yes, but you can have lower durability than AP
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Yes, I am aware that stone walls exist.
Gaara’s sand has equal AP and durability.
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Doesn’t mean it’s capable of the same offensive capability.
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It literally is though, it's shown having equal AP compared to its Dura throughout all of his appearances.
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I didnt i was focusing on what my point was. Might Guy was an example i used because his an exception people make for their own six paths standards that can be made for other characters, you went on a tangent about something unrelated to what my point was.
I Would recommend taking a break if the topic is annoying you, it's no fun when stuff devolves from debating to arguing.
Feel free to agree to disagree
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Not how it works. AP isn't automatically equal to durability.
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Naruto/boruto has many outliers.
1. Boruto in base stabbing momoshiki's eye
2. Uriashiki losing to 1 tails naruto
3.gara keeping up with sasuke during thier fight with uriashiki
4.Sakura harming kaguya
5. Base obito harming spsm madara
6. Shin uchiha harimg naruto and sasuke. Same shin got clapped by sakura.
7. Boro is stated to be above delta yet got beat by genin
Ect.
So the kage keeping up with otusuki should be treated the same
1. Boruto in base stabbing momoshiki's eye
2. Uriashiki losing to 1 tails naruto
3.gara keeping up with sasuke during thier fight with uriashiki
4.Sakura harming kaguya
5. Base obito harming spsm madara
6. Shin uchiha harimg naruto and sasuke. Same shin got clapped by sakura.
7. Boro is stated to be above delta yet got beat by genin
Ect.
So the kage keeping up with otusuki should be treated the same
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Yes, Damage, I am well aware of that. I have to tell people this all the time. Gaara’s sand being equal in AP and durability is an accepted mechanic that is on his profile.
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All scale to the level of the planet, very simple even the kid naruto
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I mean, the Boruto Kages have actual feats while this is an statement only.
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pretty sure the time travel arc has eye users nerfed from the time travel
naruto and sasuke were out of shape in round one with shin, and he used his eye hax to get major blows in
obito harming spsm madara was explained to be due to the remnants of six paths chakra, and it happens twice, again with zetsu
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Arc7Kuroi you have my damn respect and I agree with OP's stated as well.
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