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The imgur explains the reasoning behind my premise, but to put it simply, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara (the strongest we see him get) scales to Hagoromo through this scaling chain:
One Rinnegan Juubidara = close to Hagoromo < Shinju-Absorbed Juubidara < Dual Rinnegan Juubidara ~ Hagoromo = 5-B
Via pure power scaling, specifically the bolded portion, it should be abundantly clear that Juubidara at his peak should be scaling relative to Hagoromo. Doubly so when you consider Juubidara got beyond a “one shot” level amp from single Rinnegan to two Rinnegan (went from being obliterated by SPSM Naruto’s Rasenshuriken with one eye to being able to fight both SPSM KCM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke simultaneously). Juubidara being close to Hagoromo’s power and then receiving a beyond “one shot” level amp should be enough evidence alone to scale peak Juubidara to Hagoromo.
Furthermore, the narrative around Juubidara’s ever increasing power is that he wants to obtain a power similar to that of Kaguya. We see this brought to the forefront as Juubidara gets betrayed and defeated by his own hubris (manifested in the form of Madara believing Black Zetsu is his will alone and that he cannot be used like he used Obito). Then Naruto flashes back to Hagoromo claiming Madara is nearing his own power, to Hagoromo claiming that Madara wants to get Kaguya’s power but that Kaguya’s power gives rise to self-destruction through hubris. This is what literally happens, Madara obtains Hagoromo’s power and when he tries to go further and obtain Kaguya’s power, he is undone by the rise of his own hubris. The narrative of Madara’s rise to power is that he climbs to the Sage of Six Paths level only to be overwhelmed and consumed in pursuit of Kaguya’s power.
But wait, there’s more! The databooks themselves directly state that when Juubidara got both eyes he unleashed the true power of the Six Paths, which heavily implies and all but directly confirms that Dual Rinnegan Juubidara reached Hagoromo’s power level. Six Paths refers to Hagoromo inherently, as Hagoromo is the Sage of Six Paths, and the namesake of those famous powers as known by the ninja world. Thus, awakening the true power of the Six Paths would inherently refer to unleashing the actual power of Hagoromo. Again this adds just further layers of consistency to Madara being this strong.
Additionally, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara casually spreads the God Tree roots around the world with his own energy. This feat is calculated to Small Planetary as a lowball. This feat serves as a solid supporting feat to the scaling I’m proposing for Madara. The preponderance of evidence for Madara scaling to Hagoromo is ever-so-increasing.
Finally, to touch upon Juubidara with a single Rinnegan. Hagaromo states he's getting close to himself in power, if Madara is nearing Hagaromo in power that would imply he's closer to Hagoromo in power than he is further from Hagoromo in power. This would mean One Rinnegan Juubidara should be over half way to Hagoromo's power. As consequence of this Night Guy would scale as well, since he was breaking Madara's body.
To conclude everything I’ve brought up, via powerscaling, narrative intent, and statements, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara is put on the same level of power as Hagoromo. One Rinnegan Juubidara scales above a power that rivals Hagoromo and is getting close to Hagoromo himself, and upon receiving multiple huge amps awakens to Dual Rinnegan Juubidara, unleashing power on par with Hagoromo, until eventually in attempts of pursuing a power beyond Hagoromo he falls to his own hubris. Therefore, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara should scale to Hagoromo. As far as quantifying weaker forms of Juubidara, I’m neutral on that and am open to suggestions.
Particularly the bolded portions are what has me sold on Juubidara's scaling. With 1 Rinnegan he's implied to be closer to Hag in power than he is far from Hag in power (implying a half relativity), and then he unleashes the true power of the Six Paths (Hag) with both eyes. It's extremely consistent with the narrative and multitude of statements. Furthermore, Naruto and Sasuke cannot serve as limiters as they didn't just receive half of Ghost Hag's chakra but they received new transformations and eyes as well. The halves of Hag's chakra meshed with Naruto and Sasuke's own chakra elevating to new heights. 39.1 ZT for 1 Rinnegan, 78.2 ZT for 2 Rinnegan
Guy
He gives 1 eyed Madara the hands with the 8 gates, his proposed scaling is the same. 39.1 ZT for Night Guy
Kaguya
Her scaling isn't controversial, it's simple, and it remains the same. 78.2 ZT for her
Naruto and Sasuke
I touched on them a little bit in Madara's section, but they just scale to Madara. Again, them receiving Hag's power on top of their own power and evolving into new forms does not limit them to just Hag's power. 78.2 ZT for them
Toneri
Personally I think "At least Low 5-B+, possibly 5-B" for his TCM for the same reasons I mentioned in the OP is best for him. 39.1 ZT, possibly 78.2 ZT
Narutothe Last
He just scales to TCM Toneri with his BSM, nothing complicated. 39.1 ZT, possibly 78.2 ZT
Sasuke the Last
Sasuke with Six Paths powers should scale above BSM Naruto, and I think it's stated he's Kakashi's best pupil or sumn like that during this era (it's deep in this thread). Furthermore, he should simply scale at least to his teen self as he has had more time to acclimate to his powers and he hasn't been stagnate in his worldly travels. 78.2 ZT for Sussy
Sasuke the Burrito
This is where a lot of the change comes from and where I think a lot of the dissenters will be pacified. I'm going to propose that Adult Sasuke simply scales to/above his teenage self, and keep his scaling to Kinshiki, rather than deal with the mental battles of scaling him to Fused Momo. Him and Kinshiki are able to consistently match each other anyway, and the manga portrays Fused Momo as slightly stronger than Sasuke. I think this will solve a lot of the "issues" he brings downscaling other characters to him. I then think no Rinnegan Sasuke should just downscale to baseline, as he's still a threat to some of the Boruto God Tiers. Also, Sasuke only fights Kinshiki with his base Sharingan + tomoe Rinnegan, meanwhile in the anime he matches fused Momo with his EMS + tomoe Rinnegan, so that form will scale to Fused Momo, and then a likely rating to Naruto based on statements that imply equality. 59.44 ZT ~ no Rinnegan Sasuke < no tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke < Rinnegan with tomoe Sasuke >= 78.2 ZT < EMS + Rinnegan with tomoe Sasuke ~ 156.4 ZT, likely 312.8 ZT
Sakura and Shin
I urge you to read this post as it words it better than I ever could: https://vsbattles.com/threads/award...vements-of-success.140047/page-8#post-4960978
shoutout to @Gokukid2005
But following his proposals, Sakura would scale above the no tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke levels of power (considering chapter 9 implies she was clashing with Shin while he was using his MS to control a bladed arm) and the databooks imply Sakura reached similar levels as Naruto and Sasuke. Meanwhile Shin could pierce Naruto's KCM cloak with his MS, something that not even Teen Sasuke could do with a Chidori (albeit Naruto wasn't exactly paying attention), so his MS should be scaling around teen Sasuke. For the sake of safe lowballs, I'll simply scale them above no Rinnegan Sasuke. 59.44ZT for Adult Sakura and Shin's MS
Momo and Kin
Their scaling stays the same, more concretely rooted in Kinshiki's fight with Sasuke. 78.2 ZT for base Momo and Kin, 156.4 ZT for Fused Momo
The Kage
Tsuchikage burnt Kinshiki with her jutsu so her jutsu scales, and she debatably harmed him with a punch, although the consistency of that is questionable. Mizuke stabbed Kinshiki with his jutsu so his jutsu scales, he also likely downscales from Kinshiki's physicals. Raikage could match weapon clashes with Momo so he scales. Gaara blocked Fused Momo's punch with his sand, but has no feats for his physicals.
possibly 78.2 ZT, 78.2 ZT with Jutsu for Kurotsuchi
likely 59.44 ZT, 78.2 ZT with Jutsu for Chojuro 78.2 ZT for Darui 156.4 ZT with Sand for Gaara
Naruto the Burrito
His scaling is staying the same, 50% base outscales all the other Kage vs Fused Momo in terms of physicals, 50% SPSM KCM just dunks on Fused Momo, and then Baryon Mode coccslaps Isshiki. Dropping the possibly tier 4 stuff for now, might return to it once we figure everything else out. Also, Naruto without Kurama is just base Naruto for all intents and purposes. 156.4 ZT in base, higher with Sage Mode, 312.8 ZT with SPSM KCM, at least 3.218 YT with Baryon Mode for Naruto
Shikamaru
He restrains Otsutsuki and he is capable of crushing the heads of the other Kage and Naruto needed SPSM KCM to break out of it. Shikamaru's shadows blatantly scale to the likes of Darui via those statements. 78.2 ZT with Shadows
Hokashi
Kakashi likely scales comparable to base Koji, but considering the ambiguity of the fight, I'm fine with either dropping Kakashi or just possibly scaling him to Koji. Also by Hokage Kakashi I mean Boruto era Kakashi lol
either no or possibly 312.8 ZT for Kakashi
Urashiki
Personally, I find the "he's inconsistent" to be a complete and utter cop out when tmk the series goes out of their way to explain how he gets poisoned and nerfed throughout the arc. However, I do not care at all for Urashiki and as such am dropping him unless someone wants to drop an imgur scan dump scaling Urashiki and proving his nerfed showings aren't anti feats.
Jigen/Isshiki
His scaling stays the same, dunking on Naruto and Sasuke, and contesting Koji while extremely nerfed.
at least 156.4 ZT in base, at least 312.8ZT with Karma, 3.128 YT with Otsutsuki form for Jigen
at least 3.128 YT for Isshiki
Cyborgs, Boruto, and Kawaki
Their scaling is all remaining the same as the OP, not really much to rehash, since 99.99999% of discussion has been "raaaa Shin and Sakura"
Part of Sasuke’s strength is his hax, there’s a point made of that throughout the entire series. So again I disagree that the statements inherently must mean EMS Sasuke ~ SPSM KCM Naruto, hence the likely.
They likely also just mean general reletivity in the sense that they can fight along side one another or against one another, you dont have to be 1:1 in power as well, Hokage Naruto has objectively better feats than Homeless Sasuke consistently against stronger people anyway.
The imgur explains the reasoning behind my premise, but to put it simply, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara (the strongest we see him get) scales to Hagoromo through this scaling chain:
One Rinnegan Juubidara = close to Hagoromo < Shinju-Absorbed Juubidara < Dual Rinnegan Juubidara ~ Hagoromo = 5-B
Via pure power scaling, specifically the bolded portion, it should be abundantly clear that Juubidara at his peak should be scaling relative to Hagoromo. Doubly so when you consider Juubidara got beyond a “one shot” level amp from single Rinnegan to two Rinnegan (went from being obliterated by SPSM Naruto’s Rasenshuriken with one eye to being able to fight both SPSM KCM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke simultaneously). Juubidara being close to Hagoromo’s power and then receiving a beyond “one shot” level amp should be enough evidence alone to scale peak Juubidara to Hagoromo.
Furthermore, the narrative around Juubidara’s ever increasing power is that he wants to obtain a power similar to that of Kaguya. We see this brought to the forefront as Juubidara gets betrayed and defeated by his own hubris (manifested in the form of Madara believing Black Zetsu is his will alone and that he cannot be used like he used Obito). Then Naruto flashes back to Hagoromo claiming Madara is nearing his own power, to Hagoromo claiming that Madara wants to get Kaguya’s power but that Kaguya’s power gives rise to self-destruction through hubris. This is what literally happens, Madara obtains Hagoromo’s power and when he tries to go further and obtain Kaguya’s power, he is undone by the rise of his own hubris. The narrative of Madara’s rise to power is that he climbs to the Sage of Six Paths level only to be overwhelmed and consumed in pursuit of Kaguya’s power.
But wait, there’s more! The databooks themselves directly state that when Juubidara got both eyes he unleashed the true power of the Six Paths, which heavily implies and all but directly confirms that Dual Rinnegan Juubidara reached Hagoromo’s power level. Six Paths refers to Hagoromo inherently, as Hagoromo is the Sage of Six Paths, and the namesake of those famous powers as known by the ninja world. Thus, awakening the true power of the Six Paths would inherently refer to unleashing the actual power of Hagoromo. Again this adds just further layers of consistency to Madara being this strong.
Additionally, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara casually spreads the God Tree roots around the world with his own energy. This feat is calculated to Small Planetary as a lowball. This feat serves as a solid supporting feat to the scaling I’m proposing for Madara. The preponderance of evidence for Madara scaling to Hagoromo is ever-so-increasing.
Finally, to touch upon Juubidara with a single Rinnegan. Hagaromo states he's getting close to himself in power, if Madara is nearing Hagaromo in power that would imply he's closer to Hagoromo in power than he is further from Hagoromo in power. This would mean One Rinnegan Juubidara should be over half way to Hagoromo's power. As consequence of this Night Guy would scale as well, since he was breaking Madara's body.
To conclude everything I’ve brought up, via powerscaling, narrative intent, and statements, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara is put on the same level of power as Hagoromo. One Rinnegan Juubidara scales above a power that rivals Hagoromo and is getting close to Hagoromo himself, and upon receiving multiple huge amps awakens to Dual Rinnegan Juubidara, unleashing power on par with Hagoromo, until eventually in attempts of pursuing a power beyond Hagoromo he falls to his own hubris. Therefore, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara should scale to Hagoromo. As far as quantifying weaker forms of Juubidara, I’m neutral on that and am open to suggestions.
Particularly the bolded portions are what has me sold on Juubidara's scaling. With 1 Rinnegan he's implied to be closer to Hag in power than he is far from Hag in power (implying a half relativity), and then he unleashes the true power of the Six Paths (Hag) with both eyes. It's extremely consistent with the narrative and multitude of statements. Furthermore, Naruto and Sasuke cannot serve as limiters as they didn't just receive half of Ghost Hag's chakra but they received new transformations and eyes as well. The halves of Hag's chakra meshed with Naruto and Sasuke's own chakra elevating to new heights. 39.1 ZT for 1 Rinnegan, 78.2 ZT for 2 Rinnegan
Guy
He gives 1 eyed Madara the hands with the 8 gates, his proposed scaling is the same. 39.1 ZT for Night Guy
Kaguya
Her scaling isn't controversial, it's simple, and it remains the same. 78.2 ZT for her
Naruto and Sasuke
I touched on them a little bit in Madara's section, but they just scale to Madara. Again, them receiving Hag's power on top of their own power and evolving into new forms does not limit them to just Hag's power. 78.2 ZT for them
Toneri
Personally I think "At least Low 5-B+, possibly 5-B" for his TCM for the same reasons I mentioned in the OP is best for him. 39.1 ZT, possibly 78.2 ZT
Narutothe Last
He just scales to TCM Toneri with his BSM, nothing complicated. 39.1 ZT, possibly 78.2 ZT
Sasuke the Last
Sasuke with Six Paths powers should scale above BSM Naruto, and I think it's stated he's Kakashi's best pupil or sumn like that during this era (it's deep in this thread). Furthermore, he should simply scale at least to his teen self as he has had more time to acclimate to his powers and he hasn't been stagnate in his worldly travels. 78.2 ZT for Sussy
Sasuke the Burrito
This is where a lot of the change comes from and where I think a lot of the dissenters will be pacified. I'm going to propose that Adult Sasuke simply scales to/above his teenage self, and keep his scaling to Kinshiki, rather than deal with the mental battles of scaling him to Fused Momo. Him and Kinshiki are able to consistently match each other anyway, and the manga portrays Fused Momo as slightly stronger than Sasuke. I think this will solve a lot of the "issues" he brings downscaling other characters to him. I then think no Rinnegan Sasuke should just downscale to baseline, as he's still a threat to some of the Boruto God Tiers. Also, Sasuke only fights Kinshiki with his base Sharingan + tomoe Rinnegan, meanwhile in the anime he matches fused Momo with his EMS + tomoe Rinnegan, so that form will scale to Fused Momo, and then a likely rating to Naruto based on statements that imply equality. 59.44 ZT ~ no Rinnegan Sasuke < no tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke < Rinnegan with tomoe Sasuke >= 78.2 ZT < EMS + Rinnegan with tomoe Sasuke ~ 156.4 ZT, likely 312.8 ZT
Sakura and Shin
I urge you to read this post as it words it better than I ever could: https://vsbattles.com/threads/award...vements-of-success.140047/page-8#post-4960978
shoutout to @Gokukid2005
But following his proposals, Sakura would scale above the no tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke levels of power (considering chapter 9 implies she was clashing with Shin while he was using his MS to control a bladed arm) and the databooks imply Sakura reached similar levels as Naruto and Sasuke. Meanwhile Shin could pierce Naruto's KCM cloak with his MS, something that not even Teen Sasuke could do with a Chidori (albeit Naruto wasn't exactly paying attention), so his MS should be scaling around teen Sasuke. For the sake of safe lowballs, I'll simply scale them above no Rinnegan Sasuke. 59.44ZT for Adult Sakura and Shin's MS
Momo and Kin
Their scaling stays the same, more concretely rooted in Kinshiki's fight with Sasuke. 78.2 ZT for base Momo and Kin, 156.4 ZT for Fused Momo
The Kage
Tsuchikage burnt Kinshiki with her jutsu so her jutsu scales, and she debatably harmed him with a punch, although the consistency of that is questionable. Mizuke stabbed Kinshiki with his jutsu so his jutsu scales, he also likely downscales from Kinshiki's physicals. Raikage could match weapon clashes with Momo so he scales. Gaara blocked Fused Momo's punch with his sand, but has no feats for his physicals.
possibly 78.2 ZT, 78.2 ZT with Jutsu for Kurotsuchi
likely 59.44 ZT, 78.2 ZT with Jutsu for Chojuro 78.2 ZT for Darui 156.4 ZT with Sand for Gaara
Naruto the Burrito
His scaling is staying the same, 50% base outscales all the other Kage vs Fused Momo in terms of physicals, 50% SPSM KCM just dunks on Fused Momo, and then Baryon Mode coccslaps Isshiki. Dropping the possibly tier 4 stuff for now, might return to it once we figure everything else out. Also, Naruto without Kurama is just base Naruto for all intents and purposes. 156.4 ZT in base, higher with Sage Mode, 312.8 ZT with SPSM KCM, at least 3.218 YT with Baryon Mode for Naruto
Shikamaru
He restrains Otsutsuki and he is capable of crushing the heads of the other Kage and Naruto needed SPSM KCM to break out of it. Shikamaru's shadows blatantly scale to the likes of Darui via those statements. 78.2 ZT with Shadows
Hokashi
Skala Kakashi kemungkinan sebanding dengan basis Koji, tetapi mengingat ambiguitas pertarungan, saya baik-baik saja dengan menjatuhkan Kakashi atau mungkin menskalakannya ke Koji. Juga oleh Hokage Kakashi yang saya maksud adalah era Boruto Kakashi lol
entah tidak atau mungkin 312,8 ZT untuk Kakashi
Urashiki
Secara pribadi, saya menemukan "dia tidak konsisten" untuk menjadi polisi yang lengkap dan total ketika tmk seri keluar dari jalan mereka untuk menjelaskan bagaimana dia diracuni dan dinerf sepanjang busur. Namun, saya tidak peduli sama sekali untuk Urashiki dan karena itu saya menjatuhkan dia kecuali seseorang ingin menjatuhkan imgur scan dump scaling Urashiki dan membuktikan pertunjukan nerfnya tidak anti prestasi.
Jigen/Isshiki
Penskalaannya tetap sama, mencelupkan Naruto dan Sasuke, dan melawan Koji saat sangat nerf.
setidaknya 156,4 ZT di pangkalan, setidaknya 312,8 ZT dengan Karma, 3,128 YT dengan formulir Otsutsuki untuk Jigen
setidaknya 3.128 YT untuk Isshiki
Cyborg, Boruto, dan Kawaki
Penskalaan mereka semua tetap sama dengan OP, tidak terlalu banyak untuk diulang, karena 99,999999% dari diskusi adalah "raaaa Shin anSSakuraub
The imgur explains the reasoning behind my premise, but to put it simply, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara (the strongest we see him get) scales to Hagoromo through this scaling chain:
One Rinnegan Juubidara = close to Hagoromo < Shinju-Absorbed Juubidara < Dual Rinnegan Juubidara ~ Hagoromo = 5-B
Via pure power scaling, specifically the bolded portion, it should be abundantly clear that Juubidara at his peak should be scaling relative to Hagoromo. Doubly so when you consider Juubidara got beyond a “one shot” level amp from single Rinnegan to two Rinnegan (went from being obliterated by SPSM Naruto’s Rasenshuriken with one eye to being able to fight both SPSM KCM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke simultaneously). Juubidara being close to Hagoromo’s power and then receiving a beyond “one shot” level amp should be enough evidence alone to scale peak Juubidara to Hagoromo.
Furthermore, the narrative around Juubidara’s ever increasing power is that he wants to obtain a power similar to that of Kaguya. We see this brought to the forefront as Juubidara gets betrayed and defeated by his own hubris (manifested in the form of Madara believing Black Zetsu is his will alone and that he cannot be used like he used Obito). Then Naruto flashes back to Hagoromo claiming Madara is nearing his own power, to Hagoromo claiming that Madara wants to get Kaguya’s power but that Kaguya’s power gives rise to self-destruction through hubris. This is what literally happens, Madara obtains Hagoromo’s power and when he tries to go further and obtain Kaguya’s power, he is undone by the rise of his own hubris. The narrative of Madara’s rise to power is that he climbs to the Sage of Six Paths level only to be overwhelmed and consumed in pursuit of Kaguya’s power.
But wait, there’s more! The databooks themselves directly state that when Juubidara got both eyes he unleashed the true power of the Six Paths, which heavily implies and all but directly confirms that Dual Rinnegan Juubidara reached Hagoromo’s power level. Six Paths refers to Hagoromo inherently, as Hagoromo is the Sage of Six Paths, and the namesake of those famous powers as known by the ninja world. Thus, awakening the true power of the Six Paths would inherently refer to unleashing the actual power of Hagoromo. Again this adds just further layers of consistency to Madara being this strong.
Additionally, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara casually spreads the God Tree roots around the world with his own energy. This feat is calculated to Small Planetary as a lowball. This feat serves as a solid supporting feat to the scaling I’m proposing for Madara. The preponderance of evidence for Madara scaling to Hagoromo is ever-so-increasing.
Finally, to touch upon Juubidara with a single Rinnegan. Hagaromo states he's getting close to himself in power, if Madara is nearing Hagaromo in power that would imply he's closer to Hagoromo in power than he is further from Hagoromo in power. This would mean One Rinnegan Juubidara should be over half way to Hagoromo's power. As consequence of this Night Guy would scale as well, since he was breaking Madara's body.
To conclude everything I’ve brought up, via powerscaling, narrative intent, and statements, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara is put on the same level of power as Hagoromo. One Rinnegan Juubidara scales above a power that rivals Hagoromo and is getting close to Hagoromo himself, and upon receiving multiple huge amps awakens to Dual Rinnegan Juubidara, unleashing power on par with Hagoromo, until eventually in attempts of pursuing a power beyond Hagoromo he falls to his own hubris. Therefore, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara should scale to Hagoromo. As far as quantifying weaker forms of Juubidara, I’m neutral on that and am open to suggestions.
Particularly the bolded portions are what has me sold on Juubidara's scaling. With 1 Rinnegan he's implied to be closer to Hag in power than he is far from Hag in power (implying a half relativity), and then he unleashes the true power of the Six Paths (Hag) with both eyes. It's extremely consistent with the narrative and multitude of statements. Furthermore, Naruto and Sasuke cannot serve as limiters as they didn't just receive half of Ghost Hag's chakra but they received new transformations and eyes as well. The halves of Hag's chakra meshed with Naruto and Sasuke's own chakra elevating to new heights. 39.1 ZT for 1 Rinnegan, 78.2 ZT for 2 Rinnegan
Guy
He gives 1 eyed Madara the hands with the 8 gates, his proposed scaling is the same. 39.1 ZT for Night Guy
Kaguya
Her scaling isn't controversial, it's simple, and it remains the same. 78.2 ZT for her
Naruto and Sasuke
I touched on them a little bit in Madara's section, but they just scale to Madara. Again, them receiving Hag's power on top of their own power and evolving into new forms does not limit them to just Hag's power. 78.2 ZT for them
Toneri
Personally I think "At least Low 5-B+, possibly 5-B" for his TCM for the same reasons I mentioned in the OP is best for him. 39.1 ZT, possibly 78.2 ZT
Narutothe Last
He just scales to TCM Toneri with his BSM, nothing complicated. 39.1 ZT, possibly 78.2 ZT
Sasuke the Last
Sasuke with Six Paths powers should scale above BSM Naruto, and I think it's stated he's Kakashi's best pupil or sumn like that during this era (it's deep in this thread). Furthermore, he should simply scale at least to his teen self as he has had more time to acclimate to his powers and he hasn't been stagnate in his worldly travels. 78.2 ZT for Sussy
Sasuke the Burrito
This is where a lot of the change comes from and where I think a lot of the dissenters will be pacified. I'm going to propose that Adult Sasuke simply scales to/above his teenage self, and keep his scaling to Kinshiki, rather than deal with the mental battles of scaling him to Fused Momo. Him and Kinshiki are able to consistently match each other anyway, and the manga portrays Fused Momo as slightly stronger than Sasuke. I think this will solve a lot of the "issues" he brings downscaling other characters to him. I then think no Rinnegan Sasuke should just downscale to baseline, as he's still a threat to some of the Boruto God Tiers. Also, Sasuke only fights Kinshiki with his base Sharingan + tomoe Rinnegan, meanwhile in the anime he matches fused Momo with his EMS + tomoe Rinnegan, so that form will scale to Fused Momo, and then a likely rating to Naruto based on statements that imply equality. 59.44 ZT ~ no Rinnegan Sasuke < no tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke < Rinnegan with tomoe Sasuke >= 78.2 ZT < EMS + Rinnegan with tomoe Sasuke ~ 156.4 ZT, likely 312.8 ZT
Sakura and Shin
I urge you to read this post as it words it better than I ever could: https://vsbattles.com/threads/award...vements-of-success.140047/page-8#post-4960978
shoutout to @Gokukid2005
But following his proposals, Sakura would scale above the no tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke levels of power (considering chapter 9 implies she was clashing with Shin while he was using his MS to control a bladed arm) and the databooks imply Sakura reached similar levels as Naruto and Sasuke. Meanwhile Shin could pierce Naruto's KCM cloak with his MS, something that not even Teen Sasuke could do with a Chidori (albeit Naruto wasn't exactly paying attention), so his MS should be scaling around teen Sasuke. For the sake of safe lowballs, I'll simply scale them above no Rinnegan Sasuke. 59.44ZT for Adult Sakura and Shin's MS
Momo and Kin
Their scaling stays the same, more concretely rooted in Kinshiki's fight with Sasuke. 78.2 ZT for base Momo and Kin, 156.4 ZT for Fused Momo
The Kage
Tsuchikage burnt Kinshiki with her jutsu so her jutsu scales, and she debatably harmed him with a punch, although the consistency of that is questionable. Mizuke stabbed Kinshiki with his jutsu so his jutsu scales, he also likely downscales from Kinshiki's physicals. Raikage could match weapon clashes with Momo so he scales. Gaara blocked Fused Momo's punch with his sand, but has no feats for his physicals.
possibly 78.2 ZT, 78.2 ZT with Jutsu for Kurotsuchi
likely 59.44 ZT, 78.2 ZT with Jutsu for Chojuro 78.2 ZT for Darui 156.4 ZT with Sand for Gaara
Naruto the Burrito
Scalingnya tetap sama, 50% base mengungguli semua Kage vs Fused Momo lainnya dalam hal fisik, 50% SPSM KCM hanya melakukan dunk pada Fused Momo, dan kemudian Mode Baryon menyerang Isshiki. Menjatuhkan barang-barang tingkat 4 yang mungkin untuk saat ini, mungkin kembali ke sana setelah kami memikirkan yang lainnya. Juga, Naruto tanpa Kurama hanyalah dasar Naruto untuk semua maksud dan tujuan. 156.4 ZT di pangkalan, lebih tinggi dengan Mode Sage, 312.8 ZT dengan SPSM KCM, setidaknya 3.218 YT dengan Mode Baryon untuk Naruto
Shikamaru
Dia menahan Otsutsuki dan dia mampu menghancurkan kepala Kage lainnya dan Naruto membutuhkan SPSM KCM untuk keluar darinya. Bayangan Shikamaru secara terang-terangan menskalakan orang-orang seperti Darui melalui pernyataan-pernyataan itu. 78.2 ZT dengan Bayangan
Hokashi
Skala Kakashi kemungkinan sebanding dengan basis Koji, tetapi mengingat ambiguitas pertarungan, saya baik-baik saja dengan menjatuhkan Kakashi atau mungkin menskalakannya ke Koji. Juga oleh Hokage Kakashi yang saya maksud adalah era Boruto Kakashi lol
entah tidak atau mungkin 312,8 ZT untuk Kakashi
Urashiki
Secara pribadi, saya menemukan "dia tidak konsisten" untuk menjadi polisi yang lengkap dan total ketika tmk seri keluar dari jalan mereka untuk menjelaskan bagaimana dia diracuni dan dinerf sepanjang busur. Namun, saya tidak peduli sama sekali untuk Urashiki dan karena itu saya menjatuhkan dia kecuali seseorang ingin menjatuhkan imgur scan dump scaling Urashiki dan membuktikan pertunjukan nerfnya tidak anti prestasi.
Jigen/Isshiki
Penskalaannya tetap sama, mencelupkan Naruto dan Sasuke, dan melawan Koji saat sangat nerf.
setidaknya 156,4 ZT di pangkalan, setidaknya 312,8 ZT dengan Karma, 3,128 YT dengan formulir Otsutsuki untuk Jigen
setidaknya 3.128 YT untuk Isshiki
Cyborg, Boruto, dan Kawaki
Their scaling is all remaining the same as the OP, not really much to rehash, since 99.99999% of discussion has been "raaaa Shin and Sakura"
I remembered something, Hinata should also scale for someone tier 5, she received the chakra of Hamura, and was also able to help destroy the Tenseigan, was able to fill Naruto's chakra instantly, was able to face Toneri's strongest puppet, who was able to face the base Naruto.
She also faced Momoshiki and Kinshiki, even though it was off-screen, she stayed alive, and they wouldn't be kind enough to let her live, it's more likely they attacked to kill.
I remembered something, Hinata should also scale for someone tier 5, she received the chakra of Hamura, and was also able to help destroy the Tenseigan, was able to fill Naruto's chakra instantly, was able to face Toneri's strongest puppet, who was able to face the base Naruto.
We who were opposing things about Sakura and Kage are apparently a minority here and majority seem to agree, this CRT is already over, what are we waiting for changes be apply?
By the way, Arc, what will your next CRT be?? Will it be about speed?
arc7 prefers to keep its crt open for 1 week no matter what. There will also be speed revisions, but I don't think it will be as heartwarming as this crt (speed revisions to come after bijuu thread)
Kirin additions, plus some changes for the mid tiers.
There's also going to be a revision for the Top tiers, but I'll make it in my own time, and it can run parallel with the speed stuff because it's not going to affect that many characters.
arc7 prefers to keep its crt open for 1 week no matter what. There will also be speed revisions, but I don't think it will be as heartwarming as this crt (speed revisions to come after bijuu thread)
this is just blatantly false, why she should even care about Momoshiki, even assuming he's stronger, she stopped supplying the whole clan, to her even if she beat up Momoshiki somehow, that doesn't solve the problem at all, the clan still sees her as a traitor, that's what the narrative implies and the logical conclusion to the events, however, I'm not pushing for anything here, cause my approaches is to conclude that Kaguya > Momoshiki, and if I will go from this claim, I will need to use other evidence to back up the notion, which I have a shit ton of them, but this will just turn the thread to Naruto Shippuden vs Boruto power scale and will drive from the original topic.
You're not even watching the same show as me at this point smh because that's who she named in the scroll , again irrelevant the whole set up of this arc is "this enemy is gonna appear soon that's stronger than Kaguya that's why she was making an army" < Sasuke then sees Momo and Kin and outright confirms these two were who Kaguya was preparing the army for and confirms this to Naruto on screen your scan does nothing to contradict these statements or support your argument in the slightest, again the clan narrative isn't brought up at all as a factor to Sasuke's statements your own scan doesn't even remotely imply what you think it does either its just a made up narrative ppl try to push, its always these specific 2 Otsutsuki, your approach is wrong and blatantly in oppositions to what's actually present in several mediums of Boruto, the games outright say hes stronger, the novel written by Kodachi outright says hes stronger and the anime all but has it in neon writing and ppl are still being blatantly dishonest about it
"I will need to use other evidence to back up the notion, which I have a shit ton of them"
As in bad power scaling to dodge statements that contradict that premise?
The imgur explains the reasoning behind my premise, but to put it simply, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara (the strongest we see him get) scales to Hagoromo through this scaling chain:
One Rinnegan Juubidara = close to Hagoromo < Shinju-Absorbed Juubidara < Dual Rinnegan Juubidara ~ Hagoromo = 5-B
Via pure power scaling, specifically the bolded portion, it should be abundantly clear that Juubidara at his peak should be scaling relative to Hagoromo. Doubly so when you consider Juubidara got beyond a “one shot” level amp from single Rinnegan to two Rinnegan (went from being obliterated by SPSM Naruto’s Rasenshuriken with one eye to being able to fight both SPSM KCM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke simultaneously). Juubidara being close to Hagoromo’s power and then receiving a beyond “one shot” level amp should be enough evidence alone to scale peak Juubidara to Hagoromo.
Furthermore, the narrative around Juubidara’s ever increasing power is that he wants to obtain a power similar to that of Kaguya. We see this brought to the forefront as Juubidara gets betrayed and defeated by his own hubris (manifested in the form of Madara believing Black Zetsu is his will alone and that he cannot be used like he used Obito). Then Naruto flashes back to Hagoromo claiming Madara is nearing his own power, to Hagoromo claiming that Madara wants to get Kaguya’s power but that Kaguya’s power gives rise to self-destruction through hubris. This is what literally happens, Madara obtains Hagoromo’s power and when he tries to go further and obtain Kaguya’s power, he is undone by the rise of his own hubris. The narrative of Madara’s rise to power is that he climbs to the Sage of Six Paths level only to be overwhelmed and consumed in pursuit of Kaguya’s power.
But wait, there’s more! The databooks themselves directly state that when Juubidara got both eyes he unleashed the true power of the Six Paths, which heavily implies and all but directly confirms that Dual Rinnegan Juubidara reached Hagoromo’s power level. Six Paths refers to Hagoromo inherently, as Hagoromo is the Sage of Six Paths, and the namesake of those famous powers as known by the ninja world. Thus, awakening the true power of the Six Paths would inherently refer to unleashing the actual power of Hagoromo. Again this adds just further layers of consistency to Madara being this strong.
Additionally, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara casually spreads the God Tree roots around the world with his own energy. This feat is calculated to Small Planetary as a lowball. This feat serves as a solid supporting feat to the scaling I’m proposing for Madara. The preponderance of evidence for Madara scaling to Hagoromo is ever-so-increasing.
Finally, to touch upon Juubidara with a single Rinnegan. Hagaromo states he's getting close to himself in power, if Madara is nearing Hagaromo in power that would imply he's closer to Hagoromo in power than he is further from Hagoromo in power. This would mean One Rinnegan Juubidara should be over half way to Hagoromo's power. As consequence of this Night Guy would scale as well, since he was breaking Madara's body.
To conclude everything I’ve brought up, via powerscaling, narrative intent, and statements, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara is put on the same level of power as Hagoromo. One Rinnegan Juubidara scales above a power that rivals Hagoromo and is getting close to Hagoromo himself, and upon receiving multiple huge amps awakens to Dual Rinnegan Juubidara, unleashing power on par with Hagoromo, until eventually in attempts of pursuing a power beyond Hagoromo he falls to his own hubris. Therefore, Dual Rinnegan Juubidara should scale to Hagoromo. As far as quantifying weaker forms of Juubidara, I’m neutral on that and am open to suggestions.
Particularly the bolded portions are what has me sold on Juubidara's scaling. With 1 Rinnegan he's implied to be closer to Hag in power than he is far from Hag in power (implying a half relativity), and then he unleashes the true power of the Six Paths (Hag) with both eyes. It's extremely consistent with the narrative and multitude of statements. Furthermore, Naruto and Sasuke cannot serve as limiters as they didn't just receive half of Ghost Hag's chakra but they received new transformations and eyes as well. The halves of Hag's chakra meshed with Naruto and Sasuke's own chakra elevating to new heights. 39.1 ZT for 1 Rinnegan, 78.2 ZT for 2 Rinnegan
Guy
He gives 1 eyed Madara the hands with the 8 gates, his proposed scaling is the same. 39.1 ZT for Night Guy
Kaguya
Her scaling isn't controversial, it's simple, and it remains the same. 78.2 ZT for her
Naruto and Sasuke
I touched on them a little bit in Madara's section, but they just scale to Madara. Again, them receiving Hag's power on top of their own power and evolving into new forms does not limit them to just Hag's power. 78.2 ZT for them
Toneri
Personally I think "At least Low 5-B+, possibly 5-B" for his TCM for the same reasons I mentioned in the OP is best for him. 39.1 ZT, possibly 78.2 ZT
Narutothe Last
He just scales to TCM Toneri with his BSM, nothing complicated. 39.1 ZT, possibly 78.2 ZT
Sasuke the Last
Sasuke with Six Paths powers should scale above BSM Naruto, and I think it's stated he's Kakashi's best pupil or sumn like that during this era (it's deep in this thread). Furthermore, he should simply scale at least to his teen self as he has had more time to acclimate to his powers and he hasn't been stagnate in his worldly travels. 78.2 ZT for Sussy
Sasuke the Burrito
This is where a lot of the change comes from and where I think a lot of the dissenters will be pacified. I'm going to propose that Adult Sasuke simply scales to/above his teenage self, and keep his scaling to Kinshiki, rather than deal with the mental battles of scaling him to Fused Momo. Him and Kinshiki are able to consistently match each other anyway, and the manga portrays Fused Momo as slightly stronger than Sasuke. I think this will solve a lot of the "issues" he brings downscaling other characters to him. I then think no Rinnegan Sasuke should just downscale to baseline, as he's still a threat to some of the Boruto God Tiers. Also, Sasuke only fights Kinshiki with his base Sharingan + tomoe Rinnegan, meanwhile in the anime he matches fused Momo with his EMS + tomoe Rinnegan, so that form will scale to Fused Momo, and then a likely rating to Naruto based on statements that imply equality. 59.44 ZT ~ no Rinnegan Sasuke < no tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke < Rinnegan with tomoe Sasuke >= 78.2 ZT < EMS + Rinnegan with tomoe Sasuke ~ 156.4 ZT, likely 312.8 ZT
Sakura and Shin
I urge you to read this post as it words it better than I ever could: https://vsbattles.com/threads/award...vements-of-success.140047/page-8#post-4960978
shoutout to @Gokukid2005
But following his proposals, Sakura would scale above the no tomoe Rinnegan Sasuke levels of power (considering chapter 9 implies she was clashing with Shin while he was using his MS to control a bladed arm) and the databooks imply Sakura reached similar levels as Naruto and Sasuke. Meanwhile Shin could pierce Naruto's KCM cloak with his MS, something that not even Teen Sasuke could do with a Chidori (albeit Naruto wasn't exactly paying attention), so his MS should be scaling around teen Sasuke. For the sake of safe lowballs, I'll simply scale them above no Rinnegan Sasuke. 59.44ZT for Adult Sakura and Shin's MS
Momo and Kin
Their scaling stays the same, more concretely rooted in Kinshiki's fight with Sasuke. 78.2 ZT for base Momo and Kin, 156.4 ZT for Fused Momo
The Kage
Tsuchikage burnt Kinshiki with her jutsu so her jutsu scales, and she debatably harmed him with a punch, although the consistency of that is questionable. Mizuke stabbed Kinshiki with his jutsu so his jutsu scales, he also likely downscales from Kinshiki's physicals. Raikage could match weapon clashes with Momo so he scales. Gaara blocked Fused Momo's punch with his sand, but has no feats for his physicals.
possibly 78.2 ZT, 78.2 ZT with Jutsu for Kurotsuchi
likely 59.44 ZT, 78.2 ZT with Jutsu for Chojuro 78.2 ZT for Darui 156.4 ZT with Sand for Gaara
Naruto the Burrito
His scaling is staying the same, 50% base outscales all the other Kage vs Fused Momo in terms of physicals, 50% SPSM KCM just dunks on Fused Momo, and then Baryon Mode coccslaps Isshiki. Dropping the possibly tier 4 stuff for now, might return to it once we figure everything else out. Also, Naruto without Kurama is just base Naruto for all intents and purposes. 156.4 ZT in base, higher with Sage Mode, 312.8 ZT with SPSM KCM, at least 3.218 YT with Baryon Mode for Naruto
Shikamaru
He restrains Otsutsuki and he is capable of crushing the heads of the other Kage and Naruto needed SPSM KCM to break out of it. Shikamaru's shadows blatantly scale to the likes of Darui via those statements. 78.2 ZT with Shadows
Hokashi
Kakashi likely scales comparable to base Koji, but considering the ambiguity of the fight, I'm fine with either dropping Kakashi or just possibly scaling him to Koji. Also by Hokage Kakashi I mean Boruto era Kakashi lol
either no or possibly 312.8 ZT for Kakashi
Urashiki
Personally, I find the "he's inconsistent" to be a complete and utter cop out when tmk the series goes out of their way to explain how he gets poisoned and nerfed throughout the arc. However, I do not care at all for Urashiki and as such am dropping him unless someone wants to drop an imgur scan dump scaling Urashiki and proving his nerfed showings aren't anti feats.
Jigen/Isshiki
His scaling stays the same, dunking on Naruto and Sasuke, and contesting Koji while extremely nerfed.
at least 156.4 ZT in base, at least 312.8ZT with Karma, 3.128 YT with Otsutsuki form for Jigen
at least 3.128 YT for Isshiki
Cyborgs, Boruto, and Kawaki
Their scaling is all remaining the same as the OP, not really much to rehash, since 99.99999% of discussion has been "raaaa Shin and Sakura"
Part of Sasuke’s strength is his hax, there’s a point made of that throughout the entire series. So again I disagree that the statements inherently must mean EMS Sasuke ~ SPSM KCM Naruto, hence the likely.
If we're talking AP showings, he was able to harm Jigen who's stronger than Naruto.
And it was even implied he could slice K2 Jigen's head off, who's WAY stronger than Naruto.
The anime further showed their relative AP.
And he was probably able to harm even Isshiki.
How would Likely 312.8 ZT even work when they're both Planet level? At least Planet level, likely higher? It just seems really unnecessary when Adult Naruto~Adult Sasuke is one of the clearest scalings in the Narutoverse with some of the most evidence. It's not "objective," but the same is true of plenty of other characters who have a solid rating without the likely (for example, Jiraiya scales to Orochimaru, when as far as we know, that could be because of his hax and speed rather than AP, considering he has stuff like the toad mouth trap and the dimension sealing trap and sealing jutsu, etc.).
Naruto and Sasuke have a synergy from teamwork that elevates them beyond a simple addition of stats, you provided the scan proving such. Naruto time and time again shows us that the strength in numbers from relying on others > strength found in the individual. It doesn’t birth any inherent contradiction.
Technically, VSBW doesn't accept the novelization of Boruto the Movie as canon, that was just supplementary evidence that Naruto and Sasuke are portrayed as equal across all medias. The strength in numbers thing doesn't literally mean that a teamup is an exponential boost, just that teaming up with someone can give you greater strength than you can accomplish on your own. And even besides that, there's still the fact that 100% Juubi Jigen needed to use the Karma against Naruto when 10% Base Jigen matched Koji. That's pretty much as blatant as you can get (and still the Kakashi stuff I've brought up several times). I can accept SM Koji being above Delta since he was Delta's superior on the mission, but Base Koji is basically impossible to resolve with other showings. Koji even briefly questioned if Naruto could've beaten Jigen on his own before denying the possibility, while he knew full well he couldn't beat Jigen even with SM, letalone in base where he's far weaker. He also stated that he might be able to take down Jigen when he has almost no chakra, again despite having SM.
By the way, why a likely for Sasuke when there's far more evidence in his support while Base Koji is straight up 5-B? Just like with Sasuke, a big part of Koji's style is his hax, so even if he scales over Delta (which he doesn't), that could be cause of hax. If anything, Sasuke and Koji's ratings should be switched around.
I mean yeah, it does look like he was planning on sealing her, although it doesn't make sense for him to use it on her since she can absorb the sealing technique with her eye.
He could've been planning to seal her, then before she realized what was happening and tried to absorb it, he'd attack her vulnerable body. Again, we don't know. Just like offscreen fights aren't used for scaling on VSBW, I don't think a vague implication of the outcome of a fight that didn't happen is enough for concrete scaling, at least not when stronger evidence contradicts it.
, again irrelevant the whole set up of this arc is "this enemy is gonna appear soon that's stronger than Kaguya that's why she was making an army" < Sasuke then sees Momo and Kin and outright confirms these two were who Kaguya was preparing the army for and confirms this to Naruto on screen your scan does nothing to contradict these statements or support your argument in the slightest, again the clan narrative isn't brought up at all as a factor to Sasuke's statements your own scan doesn't even remotely imply what you think it does either its just a made up narrative ppl try to push, its always these specific 2 Otsutsuki, your approach is wrong and blatantly in oppositions to what's actually present in several mediums of Boruto, the games outright say hes stronger, the novel written by Kodachi outright says hes stronger and the anime all but has it in neon writing and ppl are still being blatantly dishonest about it
its literally relevant to the topic
isshiki >>> shinobi alliance chakra that was used to make the etso
