Awarding Boruto Many Success Achievements Via Shippuden Achievements Of Success

[Reio35]

I'm fine with most of what you said, but I think 2 Eyed Madara~Hagoromo is pretty good. It all lines up with statements like Madara in a state 2 forms below his 2 eyed form scaling "close" to Hagoromo, lines up pretty well with calcs, and the Rinnegan not being a big amp thing is iffy given the gravitas around the idea that Madara would get his 2nd eye. It definitely should be quite an amp given that Sasuke losing his was noted as a large debuff. Plus, comparing Madara's performance directly against the same attack in his 1 eyed and 2 eyed state is quite a difference side by side.

Madara was off guard when sasuke cutt him. When he was on guard sasuke couldn't tag him.

One eye'd madara is still stated to be the strongest shinobi in the 4th databook.

 

[Tomboy11]

Such as Kinshiki being unexpectedly punched by the Tsuchikage and knocked through the air?

What do you mean by unexpected they where fighting and tag teaming him + the fact they were still able to use their raw chakra to hold him down ,
In the anime he had to rip his skin off to break out while in the manga he was totally
Seal away buy the raw power of their chakra seal

I feel like we are playing mental gymnastics to avoid the fact that new age kages / new age characters are just that strong

 

[Tomboy11]

Madara was off guard when sasuke cutt him. When he was on guard sasuke couldn't tag him.

One eye'd madara is still stated to be the strongest shinobi in the 4th datab

It's just a matter of general portrayal / unexplained power-ups.

Six Paths Madara kicked Minato without completely eviscerating him. Does this mean we should scale Minato to Planet level? I wouldn't think so.

Tsuchuikage punching away Kinshiki or Chojuro clashing with Kinshiki without being one-shot doesn't mean they have to be his equals. We'd just put it down to PIS that they go from relative nobodies to "strongest characters in the verse" without any apparent explanation.

This seems like a false equivalence, we are compering a Edo casually get one shot and not totally dying from a extremely casual madara

To the kages clashing /keeping up with kinishiki in a serious all out battle ,
Minato doesn't clash or damage madara he gets one shot and for his arm cut of


Seriously damage this is a disingenuous argument to the core

Should be over look might guy clashing and damaging madara too just because we don't agree with it and u think none six path characters can't fight otusuki Level treat

 

[Reio35]

What do you mean by unexpected they where fighting and tag teaming him + the fact they were still able to use their raw chakra to hold him down ,
In the anime he had to rip his skin off to break out while in the manga he was totally
Seal away buy the raw power of their chakra seal

I feel like we are playing mental gymnastics to avoid the fact that new age kages / new age characters are just that strong

The kage feared fighting the ten tails. If they were relative to plp like kaguya and momoshiki this would not be an issue.

The also considered the ten tails to be a bigger threat than limiters code. Limiters code beat shikamaru and believes he can beat nerfed Naruto and sasuke individually.

Naruto without kurama is possibly not Even otsutsuki level and he still is above all the kage

 

[Tomboy11]

Madara was off guard when sasuke cutt him. When he was on guard sasuke couldn't tag him.

One eye'd madara is still stated to be the strongest shinobi in the 4th databook.

Lol sasuke damages madara twice
Apart from cutting him in Half ,when madara was going for sasuke he gets stabbed by sasuke sword

Are we talking about the Kages with 8 Gates activated or what? what did you smoke fr??

You made a statement about Base Guy training and you claimed that it made him reach Six Paths level, which's as I asserted is not the case, rather the gates which made him go to such a high level, Now, if the Kages somehow used the Eight Gate of Death on screen, I have no problem in maybe and just maybe scaling them to six paths tier.

He was saying if guy can train himself to gain the power to fight a six path level treat why can kages in the future especially when it is forbatom shown that they can fight otusuki level characters
Like why are we avoiding feats

Like seriously
This is just mental gymnastics ong

 

[Tomboy11]

The kage feared fighting the ten tails. If they were relative to plp like kaguya and momoshiki this would not be an issue.

The also considered the ten tails to be a bigger threat than limiters code. Limiters code beat shikamaru and believes he can beat nerfed Naruto and sasuke individually.

Naruto without kurama is possibly not Even otsutsuki level and he still is above all the kage

How is this fear he just says ' we have to fight that monster again

Nothing here say's we are afraid of fighting the ten tails at all

 

[Tomboy11]

The kage feared fighting the ten tails. If they were relative to plp like kaguya and momoshiki this would not be an issue.

The also considered the ten tails to be a bigger threat than limiters code. Limiters code beat shikamaru and believes he can beat nerfed Naruto and sasuke individually.

Naruto without kurama is possibly not Even otsutsuki level and he still is above all the kage

And how did u get they consider the ten tails a greater deal than limiter they are literally talking about him getting the ten tails to get a power up

 

[ssgengar]

How is this fear he just says ' we have to fight that monster again

Nothing here say's we are afraid of fighting the ten tails at all

Honestly. Using the term “fear” is a stretch, like obviously they’re going to show concern about another 10 tails

 

[Tomboy11]

Honestly. Using the term “fear” is a stretch, like obviously they’re going to show concern about another 10 tails

Exactly if when sasuke sees the ten tails he got concerned , and we know the ten tail has large AOE attacks if something like that were to be come about again people will die , The kages don't show any feat at all only they only state the have to fight it again while calm
+ They were more consigned about the god tree and code

 

[ssgengar]

Exactly if when sasuke sees the ten tails he got concerned , and we know the ten tail has large AOE attacks if something like that were to be come about again people will die , The kages don't show any feat at all only they only state the have to fight it again while calm
+ They were more consigned about the god tree and code

Yeah, and it’s not even about the ten tail’s power itself but the potential threat it holds in the future (cultivating a divine tree) which shikamaru pointed out. The only person in that panel that showed any concern about the ten tails itself was gaara, and still that doesn’t equate to fear

 

[Reio35]

And how did u get they consider the ten tails a greater deal than limiter they are literally talking about him getting the ten tails to get a power up

Garaa is talking about fighting the ten tails like last time bruhh

 

[Tomboy11]

AKAB is a kekkei mora she got after she became a rabbit goddess. She didn't have it before then.

She most likely did if I remember the pictures shown of Kaguya when Amado explained the story of her betrayal already had her rinnegan sooooo
It got retcon ,Kaguya before eating the god tree most likely had her ash bones

 

[UltimatePharaoh]

they're her superiors in power

But if you pay attention it was stated in the same episode that she was actually afraid of the whole clan but yeah I have no intention in debating this, just dropping the scans nothing more nothing less.

 

[Tomboy11]

Garaa is talking about fighting the ten tails like last time bruhh

How is that fear my guy did we even see any emotional connotations or even shock
All we get is ' we are going to have to fight that monster again? Which is just a question said calmly

To say it is pure fear is a big stretch ong my guy

 

[Tomboy11]

and TSO....and Gentle Fist....and a bunch of other shit lmao

And from the picture we get
When Amado explains the back story
Kaguya already had her rinnegan

Lollllllll

 

[Reio35]

And how did u get they consider the ten tails a greater deal than limiter they are literally talking about him getting the ten tails to get a power up

Yeah, and it’s not even about the ten tail’s power itself but the potential threat it holds in the future (cultivating a divine tree) which shikamaru pointed out. The only person in that panel that showed any concern about the ten tails itself was gaara, and still that doesn’t equate to fear

Read the scan fighting the ten tails would be worse case scenario over fighting code with limiters same code already scales above the kage. The fact garaa showed concern at all about fighting the ten tails suggest their not on the level of plp like kaguya

 

[Reio35]

How is that fear my guy did we even see any emotional connotations or even shock
All we get is ' we are going to have to fight that monster again? Which is just a question said calmly

To say it is pure fear is a big stretch ong my guy

Irreverent fighting the ten tails is worse than fighting limiters code. Limiters code>>>kage

 

[ssgengar]

Garaa is talking about fighting the ten tails like last time bruhh

Read the scan fighting the ten tails would be worse case scenario over fighting code with limiters same code already scales above the kage. The fact garaa showed concern at all about fighting the ten tails suggest their not on that level

like I said before, it would be weird for there to be no concern for another ten tails, his face doesn’t even change he just asks a question and calls it a monster, which it is

so obviously they wouldn’t sweep something that big under the rug, thinking something is being suggested isn’t evidence

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Undre please stfu man

Chill out, I’d rather not see this thread go to shit regardless of how much you disagree with someone’s takes

 

[Tomboy11]

Read the scan fighting the ten tails would be worse case scenario over fighting code with limiters same code already scales above the kage. The fact garaa showed concern at all about fighting the ten tails suggest their not on the level of plp like kaguya

Bro read the scan you sent 'where do they forbatom state fighting the ten tails would be a worst case scenario then fighting code '
It is either I don't know how to read or this is a headcanon conclusion coming from you
Because in the scan you sent nothing like that is said and the main focus of that scan is talking about the cultivation of the ten tails not even, it's raw power/ the plan of limiter code killing Naruto
Lol

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Chill out, I’d rather not see this thread go to shit regardless of how much you disagree with someone’s takes

Alright sorry bro but Undre takes wild as usual if not Bleach

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Alright sorry bro but Undre takes wild as usual if not Bleach

Not worth getting heated over here tho

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Madara was off guard when sasuke cutt him. When he was on guard sasuke couldn't tag him.

He was looking straight at Sasuke.

One eye'd madara is still stated to be the strongest shinobi in the 4th databook.

Where?

 

[Purgy]

He was looking straight at Sasuke.

Where?

I think he's referring to the Night Guy databook entry

Night Guy (Yagai)*​

• Taijutsu, S-rank, Offensive, Close range
• User(s): Might Guy

A crimson dragon full of youth, distorting space with the ultimate kick!!


Might Guy uses the Eight Gates Released Formation, a Taijutsu skill inherited from his father. To show the final form of the dragon, the user needs to open the Death Gate and sacrifice his life. From the flow of red steam, a large chakra dragon on fire appears around the user, who hits an unprecedented kick and completely destroys the enemy. Its power is limitless, surpassing any notion of what a Taijutsu is capable of, capable of bending its own space. Even Madara’s right side, the strongest ninja of all, was completely destroyed.


Flying above the skies, the great dragon has the fate of the enemy in its clutches! However, Guy needs to compromise his own life and pass the will of fire on to the younger leaves of the new generation!

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I think he's referring to the Night Guy databook entry

So it refers to One Eye Pre-Shinju Madara then?

 

[Purgy]

So it refers to One Eye Pre-Shinju Madara then?

Assumedly yeah

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I think he's referring to the Night Guy databook entry

That databook entry stating Madara was the strongest Shinobi of all further supports Madara reaching Hag’s level of power. As Asura had received all of Hag’s power, and Asura is very arguably a Shinobi.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

We know Kaguya has like have Dura neg with ash bones

The All-Killing Ash Bones that disintegrate their target?

and TSO

The ones derived from Six Paths Senjutsu, which she does not possess...
...or the one created from the chakra absorbed by the God Tree, which was not even planted?

....and Gentle Fist....and a bunch of other shit lmao

whaaat...?

This is largely irrelevant to the topic at hand and was most likely already addressed earlier in the thread, so whatever.

 

[Gokukid2005]

I'm going to reiterate that a God Tree could not have been planted and bore fruit without the Earth dying.
Pre Fruit Kaguya cannot not exist.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Pre Fruit Kaguya cannot not exist.

You know she ate a fruit right, so this is objectively false. We see Momo plant numerous trees on one planet, mayhaps some planets need more than one tree.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

That databook entry stating Madara was the strongest Shinobi of all further supports Madara reaching Hag’s level of power.

IDK Arc, Madara at that time only possessed an even more incomplete Ten-Tails than Obito, since Obito split his Ten-Tails earlier to make the God Tree.

 

[Tomboy11]

After re-reading most of the counter agruments ,I double with arc ,
At this point this just seem like people are using mental blockers to avoid and dismiss actually feats just because of personal biases of where the verse should scale especially the kages scaling
Omo nawaaa ohhhh

 

[Arkenis]

can't we just slap a likely 5-B for the Kages and call it a day?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I’m gonna drop my revised propositions in like a day or two after having considered the opposition and letting the discussion simmer in my mind. I’d drop it sooner but I’m rather busy.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Won't be able to comment today because I'm dealing with an emergency

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I think he's referring to the Night Guy databook entry

That can just be referring to him being the strongest ninja at the time the attack was unleashed. Cause that statement would put Pre-God Tree Juubidara above EoS Naruto and DMS Kakashi, which is incredibly inconsistent.

 

[Gokukid2005]

You know she ate a fruit right, so this is objectively false. We see Momo plant numerous trees on one planet, mayhaps some planets need more than one tree.

The people that say she ate a fruit have no way of knowing that or even know what the God Tree really is.
And for the planet point Isshiki and Momoshiki only need 1 tree for Earth and we know that the Earth's population and chakra amount has only gotten higher since Kaguya's time.

 

[Arkenis]

 

[Reio35]

Bro read the scan you sent 'where do they forbatom state fighting the ten tails would be a worst case scenario then fighting code '
It is either I don't know how to read or this is a headcanon conclusion coming from you
Because in the scan you sent nothing like that is said and the main focus of that scan is talking about the cultivation of the ten tails not even, it's raw power/ the plan of limiter code killing Naruto
Lol

Bro read the scan you sent 'where do they forbatom state fighting the ten tails would be a worst case scenario then fighting code '
It is either I don't know how to read or this is a headcanon conclusion coming from you
Because in the scan you sent nothing like that is said and the main focus of that scan is talking about the cultivation of the ten tails not even, it's raw power/ the plan of limiter code killing Naruto
Lol

Stated here

 

[Reio35]

"A crimson dragon full of youth, distorting space with the ultimate kick!!

Might Guy uses the Eight Gates Released Formation, a Taijutsu skill inherited from his father. To show the final form of the dragon, the user needs to open the Death Gate and sacrifice his life. From the flow of red steam, a large chakra dragon on fire appears around the user, who hits an unprecedented kick and completely destroys the enemy. Its power is limitless, surpassing any notion of what a Taijutsu is capable of, capable of bending its own space. Even Madara’s right side, the strongest ninja of all, was completely destroyed."


Guy stated to have the strongest tijustu and ultimate kick so he should above everyone in shipudden as far as hand to hand combat.