Uh I provide all the scans that I quote in the OP. Furthermore, regardless of what you think, being caught off guard isn’t an anti feat. Unfortunately no matter how many times you bring up Isshiki being caught off guard, that doesn’t debunk his scaling.
Some of my issues are axiomatic so there is no way of seeing eye-to-eye on some points so you're not entirely wrong.
That's literally just Sakura in a nutshell.
This is incorrect Sasuke who literally fought Kinshiki thought that the Kage were the most efficient candidates to take them on.
So you’re fine with all the Otsutsuki, Cyborgs, and Naruto and Sasuke? Just not Shikamaru or the Kage?
Shikamaru scaling to half of Sasuke’s power (someone who is a literal god tier for the shinobi) is illogical, considering that Shika is CONSISTENTLY portrayed in the narrative to not be someone who focuses on power, but moreso strategy
If we wanna focus in on the Kage + Shikamaru, and you wanna give your arguments against them in totality, that’s cool.
Y’know, that doesn’t mean he can’t be 5-B at all. Strategists can still be powerful, hell, look at Shikamaru’s previous tiers with Shadow Possession. Are all his prior showings invalid now because “the strategist can’t be that powerful”?
To be fair I feel like you're attempting to overly rationalize your own inherent idea despite there being, according to the wiki's standards, enough evidence that your perception of what Naruto should scale to is wrong. Naturally, no laws are absolute true and that's all human made mumbo jumbo. Besides, you're trying to rationalize why a fictional character can't jump from Moon level+/Small Planet level despite the fact that said characters literally defy the laws of physics on the daily and a million and one things should've been impossible yet still happened. Characters jumped from building level to town level to mountain level to country level around before. Plus, it's not as if it's narratively inaccurate to say that the God Tiers (i.e. Otsutsuki, Six Paths Peeps, etc.) CAN be planet level given the fact that a) they're based on japanese buddhism
Shikamaru restraining a 5-B character is something that isn’t in line with his prior showings whatsoever
Why does teenage Shikamaru inherently limit what adult Shikamaru can do?
It's just a matter of general portrayal / unexplained power-ups.
I feel like people who scream "HOW CAN NINJAS BLOW UP PLANETS" dont really understand the cultural context of Naruto and the sources of inspiration it draws from, not to say that naruto should scale to japanese buddhist theology but still. Narratively it makes sense, and is supported by in verse feats and statements
We ignore blatant feats all the time on the wiki. I don't think I'm that wrong at all in saying that; whether it is to scale characters higher, or scale characters lower, there are tons of cases of ignoring a character's feats or anti-feats on the wiki.
Even teenage Naruto showed a consistent line of strength increase from then to now. Shikamaru jumping from 7-C to 5-B after becoming an adult (someone who has shown no combat feats and simply works as Naruto’s advisor) is simply dishonest
Which form of Madara was that?
It’s not even remotely dishonest, because he has the feats.
it's entirely based on context, more often than not those characters have a lot of anti feats, that are they should scale to those feats.
It feels jarring is an argument from incredulity. Like I agree, it is weird, but that doesn’t make it inherently incorrect.
Yeah I know, hence why I said I disagree. Not that it's inherently untrue. The writer can pull off any kind of stupidity as they please. I neither have proof nor patience to try to figure out why Shikamaru specifically wouldn't scale
Just because something isn't necessarily wrong doesn't make it necessarily right.
We have to accept them because the writers do.
Right which is why I prefer to scale the Kage simply off their feats against Kinshiki and ignore any of my personal feelings towards the matter.
