Adding a Dragon Ball Super explanation page to the wiki

[AKM sama]

On the topic of the thread

concerning the 12 universes and their status as separate space-time continua. Many people, myself included, have historically made threads questioning the legitimacy of this claim, pointing out the fact that each timeline has its own copy of all 12 universes

Different universes are considered to have separate space-time continua by default. I don't know why that has to be proven. Both U6 and U7 are twin universes, kind of like alternate versions of each other, but Universe 7 has its own history that is different than Universe 6's, considering the different evolutions of the same planet Earth and the Saiyan's planet. I don't how being part of a larger timeline changes anything in that regard.

It makes a claim (universes are alternate space-times) and justifies it with "Universe 7 already contains space-time continua within its globe and those are affected by time travel," but it doesn't explain what makes the Room of Spirit and Time an independent space-time continuum or how "Universe 6 and Universe 7 belong to different space-time continua" follows from the RoSaT being a space-time continuum.

RoSaT has it's own flow of time that is different than the universe's. The purpose of RoSaT example was to show that even if it is a separate space-time continuum, it is still a part of the bigger timeline and every timeline has its own, which is effected by time travel. Hence the point about every timeline having their own copies of 12 universes doesn't necessarily mean that those universes share the same space-time continuum.

Although, I suppose an information blog about the currently accepted cosmology would help avoid confusion.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Here are some statement about universe

Awesome good job.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

That scan is indeed very helpful

I don’t get it. All she’s saying is that earth is at the edge of the universe.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

She said Earth as at the edge of the Universe, and that they do not have technology to observe the entire universe because of that. Which still adds context to the "Much larger than the observable Universe" facts.

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

correct me if im wrong but isnt the otherworld another universe?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

We don't use the RPG handbook.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

This isn't the scan I was looking for, but i was wondering if it would be helpful to anyone? I think this is strictly anime though (I could be wrong on that though..)

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

This isn't the scan I was looking for, but i was wondering if it would be helpful to anyone? I think this is strictly anime though (I could be wrong on that though..)

It’s in the daizenshuu.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

She said Earth as at the edge of the Universe, and that they do not have technology to observe the entire universe because of that. Which still adds context to the "Much larger than the observable Universe" facts.

I mean, sure? But what about the “spec” statement? That’s something I’ve never heard of.

 

[AKM sama]

I don't think there is any statement like that.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

This isn't the scan I was looking for, but i was wondering if it would be helpful to anyone? I think this is strictly anime though (I could be wrong on that though..)

If this is canon then we win because that means the otherworld is more than universal and so is the living realm.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

It's just commonly spoken IRL that the OU is just a spec compared to the universe. There is none for Dragon Ball specifically, but given the nature of having better tech than we do and despite that not being able to observe the entire universe still points the a clear outcome about the size being more vast.

 

[AKM sama]

If this is canon then we win

There is no winner or loser here lol, but that's not canon and we don't consider it for the cosmology.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

There is no winner or loser here lol, but that's not canon and we don't consider it for the cosmology.

I was joking lol. I see. Well the living universe is still much larger than the observable universe.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I was joking lol. I see. Well the living universe is still much larger than the observable universe.

How tho? I’m still confused on that.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

How tho? I’m still confused on that.

It's darkdragonmdhdjd's argument, that the living universe is based on our own, and that earth is in the edge of the universe, so the unobservable part from earth makes the living world way way larger than the real world observable universe.

 

[Nierre]

It's darkdragonmdhdjd's argument

darkdragonmdhdjd

 

[DontTalkDT]

Aren't the afterlife and the living world part of the same 3-dimensional space?

 

[Orange]

No, we consider them spatially seperated

 

[DontTalkDT]

No, we consider them spatially seperated

Why? From diagrams I have seen they don't look spatially separate at all.
Like,

Doesn't look spatially disconnected.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

They are stated to be separate. The diagrams don't have to make this very clear.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The diagrams used in official media have the Living World completely sealed off from the Other World by some sort of barrier [the lower bowl]. In the diagram you have, there is an empty gap where Hell should be, giving off the illusion that Other World leads into the Living World, but in the official ones, the landscape of Hell is present at the bottom.

 

[Axxtentacle]

Don't we not use the diagrams for size scaling? Either way I don't really know how you can visually tell something is spatially separate.

 

[DontTalkDT]

The diagrams used in official media have the Living World completely sealed off from the Other World by some sort of barrier [the lower bowl]. In the diagram you have, there is an empty gap where Hell should be, giving off the illusion that Other World leads into the Living World, but in the official ones, the landscape of Hell is present at the bottom.

A barrier doesn't make things spatially separate.

In case it wasn't clear: When I say spatially separate I don't mean whether or not there is some barrier that prevents actually going from A to B. I mean that, by moving in three dimensions, you can't go there because the direction "towards B" is not part of three dimensions.

By the look of the diagram, going upwards from earth would eventually get you to the afterlife (provided you can pass through barriers, hell and whatever else might be in the way).

They are stated to be separate. The diagrams don't have to make this very clear.

Can I see that statement? Perhaps with a little context? The number of the chapter would suffice as well.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

By the look of the diagram, going upwards from earth would eventually get you to the afterlife

Far above the heavens and unknown to humans, exists this extra-dimensional world of divinity, from which gods look down on the whole of the mortal realm.

The World Beyond, a location also called the Heavenly Realm, can generally only be entered by dead people, and Kami.

Ordinary lifeforms cannot freely travel from the Living World to the World Beyond. The only way to go is by turning into souls upon death. However, there are some who are given permission to travel by the Kami of the World Beyond, though they are few in number.

 

[Orange]

That's not for sale or to take it literally
The universe would be orange if we do and it only would be over 10 million kms actually.
the guides and the show treat the after life as a seperate dimension, only accessed by teleportation and sealed off from the living world by dimensional walls

 

[BetterThanYou]

Low 1-C afterlife?

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Low 1-C afterlife?

Stop.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Low 1-C afterlife?

No and we literally done this before in a past thread as extra dimensional doesn’t mean crap by itself.

 

[BetterThanYou]

Stop.

Well i was just question the extra dimensional stuff null posted above.
I wish toriyama was active on social media so we could have him about all this cosmology stuff

 

[BetterThanYou]

No and we literally done this before in a past thread as extra dimensional doesn’t mean crap by itself.

Ok.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I only bring up the "extra-dimensional" Daizenshuu statement to drive home the fact that the Living World and the Other World are separate.

 

[BetterThanYou]

I only bring up the "extra-dimensional" Daizenshuu statement to drive home the fact that the Living World and the Other World are separate.

Oh i know your real intentions

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Oh i know your real intentions

Can you stop fooling around? I rather not derail from the main topic which is originally about making a cosmology blog page.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Can you stop fooling around? I rather not derail from the main topic which is originally about making a cosmology blog page.

Agreed, we need to focus since this topic is very important and delicate

 

[DontTalkDT]

-quotes-

What is the world talked about in the first one? 'cause of the "above heaven" stuff is it something that is not the entire afterlife? In the first place, if it is "above" heaven isn't it still kinda in the same space since it can have such an "above" relationship?

That it can generally be only entered by dead people is not a good argument, especially if those with permission are apparently allowed to travel between the realms.

That source also brings up the four galaxy thing, which I thought wasn't official anymore?

 

[Bernkastelll]

What is the world talked about in the first one? 'cause of the "above heaven" stuff is it something that is not the entire afterlife? In the first place, if it is "above" heaven isn't it still kinda in the same space since it can have such an "above" relationship?

isnt it some short of transcendental realm that transcend the conventional dimensions.?

 

[HammerStrikes219]

isnt it some short of transcendental realm that transcend the conventional dimensions.?

Wait, why will you using a English machine translation though? The translation Null got is different from the one you using.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Wait, why will you using a English machine translation though?

Because I don't know japanese nor I translated it myself, just found it

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Because I don't know japanese nor I translated it myself, just found it

Oh… I am afraid we can not use that English Translation as it was translated differently from the one you using which is Machine Translation.

Don’t think we can use it too as well.