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  • ThePirateKing777
    Hello KingPin! I wish to speak to you about the Cthulhu Mythos. Mainly the work of other writers, the relationship of Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth, The Supreme Archetype as well as the Cthulhu Mythos cosmology. When your free that is.
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    ThePirateKing777
    ThePirateKing777
    And what of the family tree? The one Lovecraft drew up charting his and fellow writer Clark Ashton Smith's (a friend of his who jokingly claimed descent from Jupiter) shared descent from Azathoth, through Lovecraft's creation Nyarlathotep and Clark-Smith's Tsathoggua, respectively. Is it still relevant?

    after this question will be my last question about the relationship of Yog-Sothoth, Azathoth, The Supreme Archetype.
    KingPin0422
    KingPin0422
    The family tree drawn by Lovecraft is still relevant, yes. It gives some additional context to the cosmogony of the Cthulhu Mythos, namely this quote:
    Trembling in waves that golden wisps of nebula made weirdly visible, there rose a timid hint of far-off melody, droning in faint chords that our own universe of stars knows not. And as that music grew, the shantak raised its ears and plunged ahead, and Carter likewise bent to catch each lovely strain. It was a song, but not the song of any voice. Night and the spheres sang it, and it was old when space and Nyarlathotep and the Other Gods were born.
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    Basically, Nyarlathotep and the Other Gods in general were born at the same "time" as space itself was, and if we look at Lovecraft's family tree, he regarded Azathoth as the first thing to come into existence (the Archetypes have always existed, so they don't count), with Nyarlathotep being a direct descendant. This, in turn, elaborates on Azathoth's significance to the Cthulhu Mythos: he is the Lord of All Things who rules time and space from the center of infinity, but with this in mind, he is also akin to a demiurge who gave birth to creation as well as to the manifestations of the Archetypes in the Other Gods.
    ThePirateKing777
    ThePirateKing777
    Yeah that was my last question. However I don’t believe Yog and Azzy have equal positions.

    Azathoth is said numerous times to be the creator and Lord of existence and nuclear chaos at the center of all infinity while Yog is all-encompassing and holding past, present, and future as well as the Ultimate Gate within himself.

    I don’t believe these two should be recognized as one and the same in The Supreme Archetype. Yog doesn’t really have any significance to The Supreme Archetype as stated here;

    “In the face of that awful wonder, the quasi-Carter forgot the horror of destroyed individuality. It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self—not merely a thing of one Space-Time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence’s whole unbounded sweep—the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebulae know by an untranslatable Sign—yet in a flash the Carter-facet realised how slight and fractional all these conceptions are.”

    Here The Supreme Archetype is perhaps (meaning this is a possibility or is uncertain.) recognized by secret cults to be Yog but it also says that it’s been a deity under many names of which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One. Carter that realizes how slight and fractional all these conceptions are, meaning Yog is but a tiny fraction of this Supreme Archetype or they have no relation and the secret cults and Carter are just assuming they have relation.

    Then there’s also Azzy who I actually did see as A type of demiurge figure that has everything to do with the material existence but doesn’t have anything to do with The true existence and The Supreme Archetype because it’s never stated that it did.

    instead of saying that Azathoth and Yog-Sothoth both are representations of the Supreme Archetype isn’t it better to say that Azathoth is The creator of the Material World, Yog is or embodies The Material World that Azzy created and The Supreme Archetype is either it’s own thing or Azzy and Yog are just tiny meaningless fractions of it?
    Veloxt1r0kore
    Hi so, i saw you in Honkai Impact 3 High 1-B thread and it seems like you can read japanese, how much good your japanese reading skill?
    KingPin0422
    KingPin0422
    I actually can't read Japanese. I believe I even said in the thread you mentioned that I had to get someone else to translate it for me.

    I'm sorry if I got your hopes up.
    Veloxt1r0kore
    Veloxt1r0kore
    Ah i see, its fine
    KingPin0422
    You know, I really should get cracking on my Cthulhu Mythos blog, now that the forum move is effectively complete. Other than that, I am not sure what I will do.
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