Adding a Dragon Ball Super explanation page to the wiki

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Tbf the dimension is stated to be closed off and the actual body of the dimension has an unknown location. So I don’t see why that would be a counter argument in the first place.

It is stated to be completely sealed, which makes sense, but the quantifiable distance between beerus' planet (which is in the living world) and earth is greater than the "unquantifiable distance" between the living world and afterlife because Goku can't travel with IT easily from beerus' planet to earth while he can from earth to king kai's. This for some reason makes it so we can't use the same logic for beerus and champa's feat here. But I don't really understand it, I'm just repeating that guys points.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

It is stated to be completely sealed, which makes sense, but the quantifiable distance between beerus' planet (which is in the living world) and earth is greater than the "unquantifiable distance" between the living world and afterlife because Goku can't travel with IT easily from beerus' planet to earth while he can from earth to king kai's. This for some reason makes it so we can't use the same logic for beerus and champa's feat here. But I don't really understand it, I'm just repeating that guys points.

Hmm. Still wouldn’t mean much because Beerus’s planet is in an unknown area.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

The multiverse actually should be Low 1-C because a single time ring add an Extra temporal axis to a timeline that already is 4-D, which means 3 spatial dimensions with 2 temporal dimensions, but thats another matter

Wait, where is this coming from? I don’t remember the time rings being mentioned to add a extra temporal axis and thereby making it 5D.
In fact, wasn’t it because each time something in the past changes the present, and future right?

 

[Bernkastelll]

Wait, where is this coming from? I don’t remember the time rings being mentioned to add a extra temporal axis and thereby making it 5D.
In fact, wasn’t it because each time something in the past changes the present, and future right?

Because timerings are their own timeline encompassing 12 space-time continuums (the 12 universes)

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Because timerings are their own timeline encompassing 12 space-time continuums (the 12 universes)

Oh, that.
Technically the timelines are connected to their respective universes such as Future Trunk’s timeline connected to the timeline of Universe 7 which is Goku and Vegeta.

Also don’t remember the time rings being their own timeline since ain’t they made from someone or someone changing the past?

 

[Orange]

I though time rings were just time travel rings. What's the evidence for this?

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I though time rings were just time travel rings. What's the evidence for this?

They should been if I gonna been honest.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Well, as explaiend here, the existence of the time rings are basically the amount of timelines that exist, and these timelines literally encompass stuff like universe 7, which is accepted as a Space-Time in this wiki, so, Low 1-C

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Well, as explaiend here, the existence of the time rings are basically the amount of timelines that exist, and these timelines literally encompass stuff like universe 7, which is accepted as a Space-Time in this wiki, so, Low 1-C

Wait, that is the DBS manga which doesn’t apply in DBS anime.
Also, it literally say “parallel world” in the scan you used so I don’t think that will been Low 1C necessarily.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Wait, that is the DBS manga which doesn’t apply in DBS anime.

the same stuff was explained in the anime, and this is a thread about Dragon Ball Super, I never said that I was talking about the anime, but it also applies to the anime, so, whatever

Also, it literally say “parallel world” in the scan you used so I don’t think that will been Low 1C necessarily.

Yes, which are timelines, since, when Zeno erased the future timeline, a time ring literally ceased to exist

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Time Rings are connected to a specific parallel world and allow the user to travel to the future of that world. When a world is destroyed, so is the ring, and when a world is created, a new ring emerges.

There is literally no way to argue that the Time Rings result in a Low 1-C cosmology. Go on. Try and argue that the Time Rings are completely qualitatively superior to the entirety of a parallel world.

 

[Bernkastelll]

The Time Rings are connected to a specific parallel world and allow the user to travel to the future of that world. When a world is destroyed, so is the ring, and when a world is created, a new ring emerges.

There is literally no way to argue that the Time Rings result in a Low 1-C cosmology. Go on. Try and argue that the Time Rings are completely qualitatively superior to the entirety of a parallel world.

thats actually a proof to Low 1-C, because iirc, our current cosmology accept all 12 DB universes sharing the same timeline, which are the timerings

 

[Orange]

Well, as explaiend here, the existence of the time rings are basically the amount of timelines that exist, and these timelines literally encompass stuff like universe 7, which is accepted as a Space-Time in this wiki, so, Low 1-C

I see, wouldn't also regular timelines be low 1-C since they encompass multiple space times?

 

[Bernkastelll]

I see, wouldn't also regular timelines be low 1-C since they encompass multiple space times?

thats what I'm arguing, the existence of time rings are proof of a timeline existing, and the fact that a timeline encompass multiples space-times is what makes the timeline add literally a new temporal axis in space-times already 4-D, resulting in a Low 1-C cosmology due 3 spatial dimensions with 2 temporal dimensions

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I see, wouldn't also regular timelines be low 1-C since they encompass multiple space times?

Literally no as it is just timelines of the universes themselves. I not sure why Low 1C is being used I gonna been honest.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Hmm. Still wouldn’t mean much because Beerus’s planet is in an unknown area.

But it's still in the living world which is the size of the universe.

Well, as explaiend here, the existence of the time rings are basically the amount of timelines that exist, and these timelines literally encompass stuff like universe 7, which is accepted as a Space-Time in this wiki, so, Low 1-C

This isn't tier 1, encompassing a timeline or timelines is not tier 1.

 

[Bernkastelll]

But it's still in the living world which is the size of the universe.

This isn't tier 1, encompassing a timeline or timelines is not tier 1.

A timeline adding a temporal axis to structures already 4-D is Low 1-C due the fact that a new axis is being stacked in a 4-D structure

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

the low 1-C stuff is derailing isn't it?

 

[Orange]

I heard that a space time that encompasses another space time means it's A low 1-C structure
I remember because I created a Q&A thread about it and the answer was yes I believe

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Dudes, we should probably discuss 2-C U7 first before moving up any higher. Zamasu's blog doesn't even include tier 1 stuff in it atm

 

[Nullflowerblush]

A timespace is capable of encompassing a timespace without having to qualitatively transcending it. Much like how you stack a larger bowl on top of a smaller bowl in the dish strainer, a larger timespace can contain a smaller timespace.

This same logic could be used to be argue Universe 7 by itself is a Low 1-C, and it would not work.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

A timeline adding a temporal axis to structures already 4-D is Low 1-C due the fact that a new axis is being stacked in a 4-D structure

Stop this, it's not adding an axis. It's a timeline being encompassed by a bigger timeline, this is still 2-C, somebody already explained this to me.
And yes let's talk about 2-C U7 first then we can talk about other stuff.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I heard that a space time that encompasses another space time means it's A low 1-C structure
I remember because I created a Q&A thread about it and the answer was yes I believe

I don’t know about this ngl.

 

[Bernkastelll]

the low 1-C stuff is derailing isn't it?

this is a thread about adding a DBS explanation page, so, no, but I understand if people want me to stop

 

[Bernkastelll]

Stop this, it's not adding an axis. It's a timeline being encompassed by a bigger timeline, this is still 2-C, somebody already explained this to me.

Thats literally adding an axis, because we have a temporal dimension being stacked with 4-D structures, thats not 2-C, thats Low 1-C

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

I just thought the focus was for 2-C but meh

Take baby steps first

 

[Orange]

I don’t know about this ngl.

I could link the thread or give you the name if you are curious

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What was the argument for 2-C Universe 7 again? The only realm that is confirmed to be universal in size is the Outer Space.

 

[Orange]

I just thought the focus was for 2-C but meh

Take baby steps first

Proving U7 is 2-C is a terrible move
you'd accidentally prove it's low1-C kek

 

[Nullflowerblush]

youwish

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

But it's still in the living world

Is that directly stated or shown? I don’t remember.
Anyway, I’d probably save that low 1-C moeshit for another time.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

I could link the thread or give you the name if you are curious

Link the thread on my profile to avoid derailing this.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Proving U7 is 2-C is a terrible move
you'd accidentally prove it's low1-C kek

Not really and bruh move here

 

[Bernkastelll]

Proving U7 is 2-C is a terrible move
you'd accidentally prove it's low1-C kek

Not really, 2-C U7 due more than 1 space-time in U7 will be just 2-C, yeah, but the 2-C argument due a timeline sharing 12 space-times (which is how we treat current DBS cosmology) is literally Low 1-C


but i will stop talking about this lmao

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

What was the argument for 2-C Universe 7 again? The only realm that is confirmed to be universal in size is the Outer Space.

The otherworld is universal in size, I'm sure.

Is that directly stated or shown? I don’t remember.
Anyway, I’d probably save that low 1-C moeshit for another time.

The dragon ball wiki claims this and puts the chozenshuu for the reference. Here.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The location of Beerus' Planet is never explicitly revealed AFAIK. The official summary for Episode 2 of Super on Toei's webpage states that he lives "beyond the universe" which suggests he does not live in the Living World, but that is all we have to go off of.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

The location of Beerus' Planet is never explicitly revealed AFAIK. The official summary for Episode 2 of Super on Toei's webpage states that he lives "beyond the universe" which suggests he does not live in the Living World, but that is all we have to go off of.

Funny. That’s verbatim the translation I found on kanzenshuu.

 

[HammerStrikes219]

Is that directly stated or shown? I don’t remember.
Anyway, I’d probably save that low 1-C moeshit for another time.

Post in thread 'All of Dragon Ball Cosmology revision (STAFF ONLY)'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/all-of-dragon-ball-cosmology-revision-staff-only.115556/post-3721565

I rather not have a repeat of that happened ngl.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

The location of Beerus' Planet is never explicitly revealed AFAIK. The official summary for Episode 2 of Super on Toei's webpage states that he lives "beyond the universe" which suggests he does not live in the Living World, but that is all we have to go off of.

If we go off this and ignore DB wiki and the chozenshuu apparently then U7 is 2-C.
Unless someone has a debunk to the argument I showed earlier.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

chozenshuu

The Chozenshuu was released in 2013 and only covers the original Battle of Gods movie. The Super anime began airing two years later in 2015.

Funny. That’s verbatim the translation I found on kanzenshuu.

Oh-