Here we are as you requested. Now present the arguments please.
ROSAT is space time continuum, because it's separate and shut out of the living world as well as it having it's own time flow seeing as how time flows differently there than in the living world. The reason for it's time flow being different is the nature of the dimension it can only be because it's time flow is separate from U7's time flow.
Proof?
That's literally just a pocket dimension where time is warped. We don't give Low Multiversal range for anyone who enters in a pocket dimension, as nothing indicates it's beyond the universe. ROSAT shouldn't have a different treatment.
Time is just faster there, but the time in its entirety is the same across all of it and the rest of U7 (saying it to not jump directly to "all universes have only 1 flow of time"). We don't treat as a different space-time places where laws of reality are different, so this shouldn't too.
That's a mistranslation iirc
In the Dragon Ball wiki it's called in jap as "Spirit and Time Room", so you're likely right here.
It has different time flow from the living world where 1 day in the living world = 1 year in the ROSAT. The only way for time to act like this is if it were a different space time.
It's not a different time flow, it's just time being faster.
Yep, it's still contained, and thus under its boundaries and limits, aka share the same space-time.
Time dilation is a thing it's a pocket dimension where the time is faster comparated to the rest of the universe, but it's still bound in the universe, not beyond it.
Here's an example:
Ok so ROSAT being a space-time is a no-no then. So the whole note under Zeno's page kinda of breaks apart.Here's an example:
Here it's called "Time dimension" while The raw basically says Different dimension:
異次元=Different dimension
This kind of warped logic even makes different timelines into same space-time continuums.
You do realise this turns cosmology into static space structure without existence of time.
Kinda of a false equivalence since they have different flow of time as they're completely separated from a space-time barrier, which U7 and ROSAT don't have tbh.
I mean, the universes are shown in multiple occasions to be only just 1 flow of time, so what's wrong with that?
I gave general case that can apply to anywhere. I just explained how even alternate space-times can have exact same temporal qualities...which can lead to them being concluded as same space-times with logic presented in this thread even if they aren't. I am just explaining the negative consequences of logic.
You cannot claim X in you statement and end up with constradictory conclusion as Y.
How does it apply here while ROSAT and U7 are nothing like that?
What do you mean here? I never said that time doesn't exist, only that the DBS timeline is only Low 2-C giving there's only ONE flow of time, and universes being spatially separated means nothing at this point. Zeno has feats of completely destroy it since Time Ring was destroyed, with Time Machine returning due of PIS.
Time being faster means time is flowing differently in two different places.
1. Whis is saying there is SUPPOSED to be one timeline, and is contradicted by there being at least 7.
These are my thoughts exactly.
Dude, if time flowing at different speeds in two different dimensions isn't enough for separate space-times.....we might as well downgrade every 2C, 2B and 2A cosmologies into low2C cuz most of these are just collections of timelines with zero differences in temporal qualities.
What I explained is logical consequence of your conclusion.
Ughh once again the "this is how fiction treats it"
If we are fine with different timelines having congruent time flows then why the heck are we not fine with just assuming timeline destruction isn't destroying the universe uncountably infinite times unless stated otherwise?
First and foremost....
First and foremost fiction mostly treats dimension hopping between timelines correctly as it should be as I already explained. So it shouldn't even be a problem in the first place.
Because it's THE SAME FLOW OF TIME in dimensions which are under the same space-time ffs. Different timelines are heavily implied to do that given how the standard multiverse standards are, but DBS has a lot of anti-feats like the whole "only one flow of time thing".
I said that the whole of 12 universes is 3-A, but the timeline that contains them is Low 2-C. Each universe is just 3-A, and all of them are under a flow of time. They're just a whole space-time which is spatially divided, but are still contained in a Low 2-C structure. Easy as that.
One timeline with one flow of time, not with 12.
Because this just supports Whis' idea of only 1 flow of time existing.
Time flows differently because that place warps it, it doesn't have its own flow of time, unless you think that planes and black holes have their own flow of time because time is different there. It being a dimension is irrelevant, it's still in the boundaries of U7 like Afterlife is.
Yeah, only that universes in DBS don't work like that for the reasons I've already stated.
Of course they are different things. This technical difference didn't have anything to do with the reason I gave that example. I was obviously using that example for how much people are willing to ignore some extremely obvious logical conclusions in favour of others that allow us to take the most highballed interpretation.
I mean, usually in the end what we want to tier are the characters. What we are focusing on, in the end, is what "universe" or "timeline" would mean in the context of a feat. Of course, the scope of destroying all of time is always available in any verse. Just like the scope of destroying earth is always available. But what we are actually interested in is what it would mean in context of a feat. Such as surface wiping.
Dimension hopping isn't the same as jumping between timelines though. And Dragon Ball has too much counter context to just ignore it. Universal time measurements exist throughout the universes which would only make sense if they share the same timeline.
sigh..
Fair.
I don't think so as far as I am aware of context, but I would like to ask, is this your interpretation? or is this a statement in canon which you are referencing? If latter , then can you cite it? Since I am unaware of specifics of past comments on this thread....so the proof must have escaped my notice.
Yes I am aware of what you exactly meant.
Here
It can be easily solved from saying that all the universes share the same past, present and future, due of them being all under the same time.
Do you have a proof to counter my evidence?
Yeah....I already understood your motive behind the previous comment. I empathize with your complaint....though not necessarily agree completely.
Mhm....I agree. What this cite concerns itself in the end is the profiling of character's strength and feats.
I respect your opinion...just that I had issue with seemingly out of the blue insertion of your gripe into the thread...and the confusion it can cause.
I still believe our P&A page describes this particular kind of locomotion between timelines as Dimensional Travel, albeit with 2C upto 2A range depending on range, instead of usual Interdimensional or something.
My issue here is that they're still below only one flow of time, meaning that while they indeed have parallelisms, they're still just one flow of time with one past, one present and one future. Universes having similarities don't debunk me at all.
I see.
Here's the problem though.....technically it doesn't.
Again similar time flow, or even an IDENTICAL time flow=\= same temporal, especially when there are blatant contradictions with that idea. If that’s your idea of this statement being supported at all, I completely and wholly disagree.
When is it stated the location warps it? You have now gone into blatantly lying to me.. and we consistently see through numerous statements and demonstrations that that is contradicted.. such as it being stated a whole other dimension? Secondly your “black hole” analogy is completely disanalagous because 1. Black holes don’t have their own time flow, they warp space and time because of their gravity.. and it’s funny how you saying it being in a different dimension doesn’t matter because different dimensions in fiction consistently refer to separate space times whether a pocket sized one or a complete parallel dimension…
Read above. Having similarities isn't a point when they have same past, present and future points. Plus this just cements my point as time paradox clones all the 12 universes due of them being under the same flow of time.
There's no similar, just one time flow per timeline. Easy as that.
It's implied as it's still in the boundaries of U7 like afterlife and it's a pocket dimension where time is faster. Nothing says that there's a whole other flow of time, only that time there is distorted in a similar fashion of Black Holes, only that due of it being a pocket dimension it can be misinterpreted as a space time while nothing really supports it, especially if still contained in U7 and not beyond it like an actual space time would be.
