Accelerator vs Ainz Ooal Gown [Rematch]

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Since Ainz is 7-B again, we're doing this, because why not? Hope this is fair tho

• Speed Equalized
• Accelerator is bloodlusted
• 7-B Accel is being used
• Starting distance of 20 meters
• SBA everything else

VOTES:

• Accel:
• Ainz: 8 (Schnee One, Accelerate420, GLHF22, Blackcurrant91, Dragonpentling, NeoSuperior, ThePixelKirby, Apeironaxim)
• Incon:

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Accelerator stomps iirc

 

[Schnee_One]

This is 7B Accelerator

Ainz time stops and calls it a day.

Seriously he had a fair fight with White Wings

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah but I don't feel like doing another 400 posts about what Ainz does in character

 

[Scrlk666777]

This is 7B Accelerator
Ainz time stops and calls it a day.

Seriously he had a fair fight with White Wings

How would time stop work? It seems that Ainz cannot deal damage while time stop is effective and any attacks he does use won't be effective until time activates again which means Accel's reflection would be working again.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Yeah. That's also a problem.

 

[Escanor998]

Reality slash says **** you , but no, seriously, instant death magic does not have vectors, so he gets inta GGed

 

[Accelerate420]

Depends. Does the death magic have to move to deliver itself to him or is it an instantaneous port? Because there's nothing stopping Accel from ramming into him as fast as he can and calling it a day before he can cast. If it doesn't require a direction and it's instantaneous then yes, he cannot defend against it, but if it has to travel or time-lag in any form then it's likely it can be voided.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I will argue this to the death. Time stop is not an in character first move he did it against someone he respected in an effort to get a mercy kill

 

[DragonEmperor23]

Honestly there should just be a seperate thread for deciding if Ainz will use time stop IC

I actually think that already happened

 

[Schnee_One]

By the way it's completely irrelevant if he dies at start with time Stop

Grasp heart kills too

 

[Yobo_Blue]

I will argue this to the death. Time stop is not an in character first move he did it against someone he respected in an effort to get a mercy kill

I've argued this to my own death, and I came back to life just to keep arguing ovo.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Does magic have vectors

 

[Accelerate420]

Oh. If it's in character then Accel is likely either going to immediately lunge and attempt to blow him away or try to send a vector rock through his brain. Unles it's IC for Ainz to immediately cast death magic he'd get one shot. Of course it's arguable whether Accel would toy with him first or go for the kill without thinking like he did with Touma after a bit. So it's up to whoever does the first actual killing move attempt, in which I'd vote Accel unless someone else who knows Ainz better than me knows he'd just immediately cast a death spell (if it isn't required to travel in the first place, otherwise that's likely still getting voided even with this Accel's lack of magic). If he casts anything else that doesn't effect Accel, he'll likely recognize that this opponent doesn't intend to back down and would immediately attempt to gib with a 'don't say i didn't warn you' thing.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Ainz always (regardless of what you believe he starts with) uses Dath magic to start off in some capacity.

 

[Dragopentling]

Paul Frank stated it right. While Time Stop and Grasp Heart for GG is an option, this is not something that Ainz will go to early in-character unless he's very aware of Accelerator's abilities.

Though tbf, Accelerator doesn't go into battles very seriously in-character, but he's still as willing to kill.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Paul Frank stated it right. While Time Stop and Grasp Heart for GG is an option, this is not something that Ainz will go to early in-character unless he's very aware of Accelerator's abilities.

I'm just going to say I'm not going to argue this only because for this match it makes no difference.

 

[Dragopentling]

Paul Frank stated it right. While Time Stop and Grasp Heart for GG is an option, this is not something that Ainz will go to early in-character unless he's very aware of Accelerator's abilities.

I'm just going to say I'm not going to argue this only because for this match it makes no difference.

I honestly would say Incon, but I'll wait for new input that might've never turned up in the original matchup.

 

[Accelerate420]

Ainz always (regardless of what you believe he starts with) uses Dath magic to start off in some capacity.

Is this canon? What does 'in some capacity' mean?

 

[Yobo_Blue]

It means depending on what you believe he starts with Grasp Heart, Death, or Time Stop + Death

 

[Yobo_Blue]

And it is, in fact, Canon. Ainz specializes in death magic in fact.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Grasp heart is stated to be his favorite and he used it the second he got to the new world so that's the most likely imo

 

[Accelerate420]

That sounds like bias. I still have not received an answer on whether Death magic of his requires instantaneous port or if it travels. If it travels, it's likely not doing anything because even things such as that have direction. Curses in Toaru verse which are abstract in itself are even said to have directions.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Not sure why it's bias. You have to provide reasoning. And no, it doesn't travel.

 

[DeathNoodles]

Ainz always starts with Death hax, regardless on whether or not he has knowledge of his opponent's abilities. Practically all the encounters Ainz has had with his enemies ends up with him using an instant death ability, whether that'll be Grasp Heart, Despair Aura V, Death, etc. Unlike with his Time Stop, he actually has many evidences of using Death hax in the beginning.

A Grasp Heart spell (which isn't even a projectile) would kill Accelerator.

 

[Accelerate420]

Well you're giving no reasons for why he starts off with these things aside from "regardless of whatever you wanna believe". If you can provide proof that he does these things then it just sounds like bias. But if it doesn't travel and immediately delivers itself then, on this Accel, yes, it will effect him.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

It is indeed rather common for Ainz to use Death Manip unless he's sure it won't work on the character he's using it on.

Time stop or other stuff don't matter, Accelerator gets bomped off the street because his Death spells have no Vectors.

 

[NeoSuperior]

Literally the first thing Ainz did in the actual series when he encountered unknown enemies was using Grasp Heart. It's an Instant Death Spell (applied directly to the person without having to "travel" towards the target).

And since it's 7-B Accel (Pre-Headshot), he isn't able to reflect magic attacks in the first place. I only read until NT2 or NT3 myself, but I remember that much at least.

 

[Accelerate420]

Then there's the answer. This Accel will job immediately, especially IC. Unless he can level the entire field with a kinetic punch before it's cast then he loses, but it's IC, so he won't.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Well you're giving no reasons for why he starts off with these things aside from "regardless of whatever you wanna believe". If you can provide proof that he does these things then it just sounds like bias. But if it doesn't travel and immediately delivers itself then, on this Accel, yes, it will effect him.

Uh, do want to know when it occurs in the novel, or actual quotes. The second will take longer.

 

[Scrlk666777]

And since it's 7-B Accel (Pre-Headshot), he isn't able to reflect magic attacks in the first place. I only read until NT2 or NT3 myself, but I remember that much at least.

This is actually slightly untrue. He reflected magic in OT 20 before he knew about magic. It all depends on how conceptional the magic is and if he understands it.

 

[NeoSuperior]

And the reason why Ainz uses Grasp Heart first, is because it has a secondary stun effect even if it does fail, so it's the safest bet against an unknown enemy of unknown strength.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Then there's the answer. This Accel will job immediately, especially IC. Unless he can level the entire field with a kinetic punch before it's cast then he loses, but it's IC, so he won't.

Ainz entire character is not as balanced and as powerful as it could be because he mainly favored death magic, his favorite spell is a death spell, he's a necromancer focused on summons and death skills, his strongest killing ability let's him circumvent resistances to immunity from death spells, the first spell he tried out on someone he didn't know was a death spell as a test, and the main moments he doesn't use these is when he's testing someone else, not showing his power because he's going incognito, or deliberately avoiding using them because he knows they won't work.

This is none of these.

 

[NeoSuperior]

This is actually slightly untrue. He reflected magic in OT 20 before he knew about magic. It all depends on how conceptional the magic is and if he understands it.

I think it still caused some side-effects like the vectors not being reflected in the correct direction. And I think the concept of "Death Magic" is not really something that I'd consider "easy to understand".

 

[DeathNoodles]

But Ainz's Death Magic isn't even a projectile, it directly affects the target (similar to how voodoo magic directly affects a target). It isn't an attack with any "directions" that can be used to reflect it.

 

[NeoSuperior]

I know. I was just saying that for other attacks like True Death which does seem to be directional.

 

[GLHF22]

Is this stomp in Ainz favor? What Accelerator wincon?

If this not stomp Ainz FRA

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

He can hit him? Accelerator is will within Ainz's AP range, and could likely destroy him without much issue if he managed to actually hit.

But death magic makes that a nop.

 

[Schnee_One]

Accelerator needs to physlcally run 4KM and hit Ainz before he time stops, which is long before Ainz kills him

If Star Wars matches are considered stomps, this sure is.

 

[LSirLancelotDuLacl]

Oh yeah, the SBA range. Forgot about that.