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Because Yog barely has anything going for his character except muh..outer God.. muh..OP universe bla bla bla.
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Abigail Williams (Foreigner) addition
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Okay, but Yog is still its own entity.
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I can create his own page, but this page will be some sort of... inferior? As key for Abby it seems more, like, complete idk
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And what about Yog's abilities? You're agree\disagree\neutral?
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Not enough info to warrant its own page
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Agree on everything except NEPWith this thread, I would like to supplement the Abigail Williams page on the wiki by writing a Yog-Sothoth directly there. Since the abilities of Abigail and Yog-Sothoth are different (especially for existence), I think these edits make sense.
Here is a link so that you can view and check the abilities and edits that I have entered
(Briefly: Beyond-Dimensional Existence for Yog-Sothoth as well as Nonexistent Physiology and Transduality plus Acausality. For addition, I have also corrected some incorrect sentences. So, for example, Abigail's NP doesn't open the Ultimate Gate, but only allows the victims of NP to observe the Outer Universe).
Abby and Outer God
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agree: (@Artorimachi_Meteoraft, @Tdjwo, @Theoretical [BDE, Acaulity], @Ubdon [BDE, Acausality type 5], @AizenSosuke, @rogueprestonian)
disagree: (@Ubdon [NEP], @Theoretical [NEP])
neutral: (@Ubdon [Td], @Theoretical [Td], @AizenSosuke [NEP])
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I disagree because Yog isn't Abi. Yog deserves its own page. I don't think we should just shove an entirely different character onto Abi's profile.
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I'm glad to writing a separate article, but it will be extremely small.
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So you're agreed with abilities, but you think that Yog should have it's own page, right?
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@LephyrTheRevanchist we need you here
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I mean most ultimate ones are like that too but they have their profiles and shii soo.
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Only the ones that were shown or expanded upon in notes
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That's not the point.
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We need someone from staff group
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So, since in Disuission thread was mention idea about different verses, I think it's worth mentioning here.
Looking at these scans, we can see how Raum refers to the external universe. Raum also responds to Zepara's words about "beyond Parallel Universes" with "Beyond us", which quite clearly describes the situation.
It is also worth noting that unlike other myths and legends existing in the Nasuverse, the Outer Gods and Lovecraft's mythology, as such, are considered fictional in the Nasuverse itself, but nevertheless this mythology describes a completely different universe in the meaning of the verse.
I would also like to add that if we perceive the existence of the Root and the Yog-Sothoth in the same verse, then this causes problems, since the Root is described as the source of creation, while the Yog-Sothoth is described as an all-encompassing unity. If we look from the point of view of different verses with our own cosmology, then there are no problems with the existence of the Root and the Yog-Sothoth.
I will also mention the words of Gilles de Rais that the Outer Gods can interact with the Nasuverse only through servants in the Throne of Heroes, since these personalities have inscribed themselves historically, and the Outerl Gods themselves do not exist at all in this regard.
All of this scans leads us to conclusion that Outer Gods are foreign things for the Nasuverse and can't directly interact with it, so the only way for them to appear in the Nasuverse is through servants. I think this is a good proofs that Cthulhu Mythos for the Nasuverse acts only as fictional stories, but at the same time these stories describes cosmology of the other, outer universe - Cthulhu Mythos verse.
So, what do you think about it?
Looking at these scans, we can see how Raum refers to the external universe. Raum also responds to Zepara's words about "beyond Parallel Universes" with "Beyond us", which quite clearly describes the situation.
It is also worth noting that unlike other myths and legends existing in the Nasuverse, the Outer Gods and Lovecraft's mythology, as such, are considered fictional in the Nasuverse itself, but nevertheless this mythology describes a completely different universe in the meaning of the verse.
I would also like to add that if we perceive the existence of the Root and the Yog-Sothoth in the same verse, then this causes problems, since the Root is described as the source of creation, while the Yog-Sothoth is described as an all-encompassing unity. If we look from the point of view of different verses with our own cosmology, then there are no problems with the existence of the Root and the Yog-Sothoth.
I will also mention the words of Gilles de Rais that the Outer Gods can interact with the Nasuverse only through servants in the Throne of Heroes, since these personalities have inscribed themselves historically, and the Outerl Gods themselves do not exist at all in this regard.
All of this scans leads us to conclusion that Outer Gods are foreign things for the Nasuverse and can't directly interact with it, so the only way for them to appear in the Nasuverse is through servants. I think this is a good proofs that Cthulhu Mythos for the Nasuverse acts only as fictional stories, but at the same time these stories describes cosmology of the other, outer universe - Cthulhu Mythos verse.
So, what do you think about it?
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That's fine Yog will nigh-encompass (excluding the root for example) everything while the root will encompass everything.
Not the nasuverse "the world".
Foreign to the universe* not the entire nasuverse.
No.
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the word "the world" is used in this context as well as in the dialogue between Raum and Zepar as the whole their own universe (verse)
see above
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anyway, cross-verse seems to be really low chance, so that's why i think that this is just a some interesting idea and nothing more.
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And I think that these scans can be somehow useful for NEP arguing (or not. NEP is really confusing thing)So, since in Disuission thread was mention idea about different verses, I think it's worth mentioning here.
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Yog encompasses reality that includes dual systems like Ying-Yang duality. (Described as "tied to everything")
Yog exists beyond of Our Universe that includes the World and Reverse Side of the World existing as Outer Universe [1] at same time existing as whole Our Universe [2]. ( 1 - Kiara's dialogues to Summer Abby; 2 - Summer Abby's profile)
Put u in "disagree" for NEP?
EDIT: for NEP it can be also use the argument, such as the Outer Universe is a place of pure fiction and madness, which never existed in Our Universe, so Yog-Sothoth, being the Outer Universe, can have NEP
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Seems vague to me to be honest, put me down as neutral for now.
Yeah a higher degree of type 4. Could look like this
Acausality (Higher degree of Type 4: As an Outer god, Yog-Sothoth is not bound by reason, physics and laws of the World, which includes the laws of the Reverse Side of the World that is different from the laws humans follow)[1][2]
They're just referring that the Outer Universe doesn't exist inside the current Universe but still exists outside the universe. However, if Yog-Sothoth is truly tied to everything, that would include the Void that Chaos exists in which is described as beyond non-existence.
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Soo.. It should be like
Nonexistent Physiology (Type 2, All aspects: Yog-Sothoth encompasses Void that Chaos exists in which is described as beyond non-existence)
Also some thing for better understanding of Yog's transduality
Transduality (Type 2: Yog-Sothoth is tied to Primordial Chaos as well as Imaginary Number Space both of which contains numerous dual systems within itself)
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I agree with all except Aca 5, it should be a higher degree of Aca 4.
Also, NEP should be limited. TD is quite valid as it is a primordial Chaos, the being of oneness who gave birth to duality from greek philosophy.
I agree with all except Aca 5, it should be a higher degree of Aca 4.
Also, NEP should be limited. TD is quite valid as it is a primordial Chaos, the being of oneness who gave birth to duality from greek philosophy.
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Thank u so much for input! I appreciate this
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I wouldn't know about all aspects but that should work
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What do you think about Transduality?
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Transduality doesn't work here since all it says its that its tied to everything (which is vague on its own) and there's no mention about it being superior to the duality itself.
Unlike the root which has statements of transcending all dualities, the only thing going for it is that it's tied to the dualties which wouldn't even get you type 1
Unlike the root which has statements of transcending all dualities, the only thing going for it is that it's tied to the dualties which wouldn't even get you type 1
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Difference is that Yog tied not to dualities, but to Primordial Chaos and Imaginary Number Space (as Imaginary Scrumble event claims, even lesser Outer Gods are able to fully control this space) which contains or gave birth to dualities therefore bieng superior to them. Here's a thing.
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Still doesn't qualify, They need to be outside of the binary system which isn't proven. Containing the duality is not transcending the duality itself.
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Type 2 (General Transduality): Characters that exist in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within the scope of an entire level of reality and qualitatively superior or immune to the effects caused within it. Furthermore, characters with this type can be accurately described as being in either both or neither state of the dualities.
Yog-Sothoth can be described as all sides of the duality and no side of it ('cause of Nonexistent Physiology). Plus containing duality makes you unaffected by it (because Primordial Chaos and INS are things that literally above dualities that they contain and Yog contains both of Chaos and INS), sooo... Yog-Sothoth > Prmordial Chaos & Imaginary Number Space > Dualities
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Containing duality doesn't make you unaffected by it on its own. Predating the duality would qualify as Primordial Chaos is literally said to have created it. The problem is that its a huge reach to assume that Yog is also tied to it because its "tied to everything". Anyways, you've got your explanations now its just waiting for evaluation
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Well, we need some people and staff here (which is very difficult). Also I want to three users (Theoretical, Ubdon and Marshadow) to check new NEP argument.
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I agree with this
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Is my input here necessary? @MrUnderlord
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Yes. Everyone's opinion has a lot of weight.
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I think there are enough votes for the change. Also, may I ask if possible to MrUnderlord to put in Abby's profile resistance against Authority.
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