So something that would be illogical but fine to use is "This place is a place of nonexistence and does not exist yet is a place!" since the fiction is clearly trying to get across that it is "something"
I mean even with all of this there is still absolutely no connection to said Void. It's hard to assert more than there is to it.
Can I see scans on it not existing anymore?
It's already accepted on the profile that Yog is Tied to all things. If we're gonna go with that we might as well get rid of him being connected to INS
Can't get a scan because its what happens when a Singularity ends and for some reason, the epilogue doesn't end with the normal Da Vinci congratulating us with the usual statements. But yeah no point in continuing any longer. Staff can come in and shut it down.
So no scans. Got it.
If you want scans of what happens to a Singularity after its been resolved, I can give you that.
Probably, since Ares acknowledged it as a rift. Ares was originally apart of Chaos, meaning he knows of the existence of that rift so it can count as a "thing". Seriously though, this isn't getting passed so no point in debating.
2. Being omnipresent over a void of nonexistence (or beyond) doesn't even grant NEP in the first place as it's just standard omnipresence. For it to be NEP their whole nature would have to be nonexistent rather than just encompassing a void as they still exist over it but not their whole being, being "it".
Yes.
Maybe.
So, are you implying Chaos somehow exists beyond the reach of Yog-Sothoth? You do realize how contradictory that sounds right considering Yog exists outside all space and time while being connected to everything beyond the ultimate gate which also exists beyond the universe.
This is not an argument, existing outside of space and time, is BDE, not NEP. And once again, everything does not include nothing.
That "nothing" exists within the reach of dimensional constructs as far as we're concerned for now. Just because it's "nothing" doesn't make it beyond everything. Yog is beyond everything(barring the root) while being connected to everything. That gives him BDE as well as NEP. Until you can specifically prove Yog doesn't have the power to reach or interact with Chaos, then there's no way you can dispute him being connected to chaos.
Burden of proof seems to be on you to prove that Yog can actually reach a literal "beyond" nonexistent void when it's said him being connected to everything is tied to him being connected to every space. A nonexistent void does not qualify as spatial.
Once again, you must be implying thay Chaos is somehow at least on the same tier as Yog ie, "at least 1C" for you to say he could be beuond the reach of Yog. It really doesn't matter if he's nonexistent or beyond non-existence. As long as his dimensional existence is below Yog and Yog is explicitly connected to everything in the universe, then Yog is by default connected to "beyond nonexistence" Chaos.
That's first thing.
That's why his NEP is Limited. U know, if Yog just encompassed Nothingness - okay, your argument COULD be some sort relevant, but now you need to understand that being tied to everything also makes him tied not only to Void (thus being this Void and being nonexistent as result) but also to Chaos who also nonexistent in nature. However, Yog is also a lot of other things and that's why he have only limited NEP.
Statement about omnipresence was related directly to Yog-Sothoth, not to the Gates. Yog-Sothoth exists beyond UG that exists beyond space-time. Thus, Yog can be tied to aspatial and atemporal things like nonexistent Void that was described as "neither space nor time"
There are only statements of Yog-Sothoth being omnipresent throughout the universe, not beyond the gates. You are confusing his BDE, with his omnipresence, they are two separate things. One can exist beyond time and space, yet be omnipresent within time and space. However, saying his omnipresence extends to places that are beyond time and space, would be saying he is omnipresent everywhere beyond the universe, which is a massive leap in logic considering that is never stated.
Wrong, even an 11-C Character can be unaffected by a High 1-A Character as long as sed 11-C Character has NEP and the High 1-A Character has no evidence of interacting with NEP, since NEP does not care about dimensionality.
Wrong again, I already explained that dimensionality does not negate NEP, in fact the only thing a higher dimensional being can do about NEP is destroy their entire plane of existence, but even that may not work depending on context.
Incorrect, as I already explained.
WTF bro where u see that. There is nothing (lol) about that. Higher tier means that character reaches beyond lower tiers. Omnipresence on 2-A will not affect Low 1-C structure, but Omnipresence 1-C tier will affect everything in-verse that below it (Low 1-C that Chaos currently is).
Again. RELATED. TO. THE. YOG. Not the Gates that reaches across universe. YOG IS OMNIPRESENT, NOT THE GATES! Please, read it.
Caps do not make your argument correct. His omnipresence comes from the statement below.
This does not matter, as nothingness is not a thing, and lacking space and time means you have no spatial-temporal dimensions.
The context of this statement is "Despite existing beyond the Universe, Yog-Sothoth is all possible dimensions, borders these dimensions (existing already outside of them btw) and is omnipresent". Not "Yog is omnipresent within Universe because he borders every space within it" (lol. Existing outside of the space and being omnipresent within it... Sounds logical imo).
This is your headcanon, it says he borders all possible dimensions and is tied to all possible things, that's it. Don't add words and twist meanings to fit your argument.
Misunderstanding.
Moving on.
That is. Omnipresent because he is tied to everything. HE IS TIED, not the Gates. Yog exists beyond spatiotemporal structures of the Universe and he is tied to everything and he borders all possible dimensions and he is all possible dimensions (because he is also Gates that reaches across all of time and space). That's so simple.
Chaos being beyond Yog was never the argument, you two assumed it was.
Yes, because the NEP Character can do nothing to a being of a higher dimension, and that being of a higher dimension can destroy the NEP Character's Plane of Existence to incapacitate them since they can't kill them directly.
That's what I said, I don't know why you're saying this again. The issue is his omnipresence is linked to space, time, and dimensions. Anyway, I'm done arguing about this.
And that proves that Yog-Sothoth should encompassing nonexistent Void and Chaos itself being infinitely higher than this two things.
How in the world his omnipresence can be tied only to spatiotemporal structure if statement about omnipresence was used directly on the aspatial and atemporal character along with completely other statement that relates to bording dimensions. I just can't understand your logic.
I'm just asking you to answer this. Counter-argue. How do you think his description should work if any machine and official translation takes these statements separately from each other as completely different character properties?
I based my opinion on what I read. His omnipresence was given based on him being tied to all possible dimensions and all possible things. Even if we assume that includes things that lack space and time, what about nothingness?
Considering that Holmes recognizes this void as absence of space and time and Yog's aspatial and atemporal nature this should be fine.
No. There is literally no connection. You are trying to connect 2 dots separated by a line.Considering that Holmes recognizes this void as absence of space and time and Yog's aspatial and atemporal nature this should be fine.
Why not? I see no problem here considering that Nasuverse sees nonexistence as state of being beyond time and space (Root also was described like that btw).
Being aspatial and atemporal is not the same as being nonexistent. As I said, my opinion won't change until there is evidence that Yog's Omnipresence extends to that which does not exist.
This just states a void lies in a gap in the universe, beyond time and space, not that it is void/nonexistent because it is beyond time and space. The second scan doesn't prove anything either.Why not? I see no problem here considering that Nasuverse sees nonexistence as state of being beyond time and space (Root also was described like that btw).
These two lines goes together. Void, gap in the Universe beyond time and space, was described as nonexistence. The second scan directly claims it. I mean existing beyond time and space within Nasuverse is truly a huge thing that considers by in-verse laws as being nonexistent. Musashi's Realm of Nothingness, for example. So tbh NEP should be Yog's part by default.
I can send scans of that a little bit later, but u can check TYPE-MOON wiki for this info. There are source links in the text.
