Temari Upgrade

[karo_senpaii]

nah, they already scale to 6-C via Urashiki

I know but wouldn't the old scaling from temari make them much higher now?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

what is the statement if I may see?



I need to get on with reading these damn novels

It is not in a novel, but in a Moovibook-style booklet that is a movie trailer.

 

[Nierre]

I know but wouldn't the old scaling from temari make them much higher now?

no

if this thread were to go through Temari would scale to the same value as Urashiki, which Boruto already scales to with Rasengan

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Toying with kids while hiding his identity isn't exactly a real fight. Hell if anything I would say him only using wind style while pretending to be someone else implies he normally wouldn't use it.
All this really proves is that Orochimaru has wind style (same as Sasuke) but doesn't actually use it.

To be fair...

But even if you really want to tinker interpretations specifically to make Orochimaru a wind style user, it won't prove he has an actual tier 6 wind style ninjutsu. Afterall his only fuuton used by that point didn't even really harm a tier 8 Naruto

He doesn't have explicit 6-C feats with it, yes, but he is an all around 6-C character physically. And a full power Ninjutsu should logically at least scale to one's physicals.

That being said, I'm not sure I fully agree with the logic used to scale Temari to 6-C, I'm just saying.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Idk, Bee had a Kyuubi Cloak. It wasn't consistently drawn all the time (as is the case for many characters), but he did apparently have one.

ah damn it

ok how about this,
as this is an attack speed, power is related rather than speed as the more you exert = the more energy propels the bijuubomb forward so how about that stage's KCM2 KA getting that since

Bee+Kurama Chakra = 1C attack speed via tbb
Kurama(above bee)+kurama chakra(didnt give it to anyone and kept his power to himself) = 1C attack speed via tbb

gyuki didnt show orange aura for some reason, makes me think only bees physicals were only amped by kn0 cloak, avatars I assume should be produced by the bijuus chakra

It is not in a novel, but in a Moovibook-style booklet that is a movie trailer.

it doesnt say much about power

 

[DavidTPPM]

To be fair...

Not video game scaling I'm killing myself
That's just a combo attack which specifically uses winds weakness against fire to enhance it, it doesn't mean Orochimaru himself is a wind style user

He doesn't have explicit 6-C feats with it, yes, but he is an all around 6-C character physically. And a full power Ninjutsu should logically at least scale to one's physicals.

I mean, maybe, assuming he's good enough with it which Orochimaru probably is but the fact he never actually uses it implies otherwise.

Either way it's all very shaky reasoning. Especially considering the novel could have easily said "strongest"

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Not video game scaling I'm killing myself
That's just a combo attack which specifically uses winds weakness against fire to enhance it, it doesn't mean Orochimaru himself is a wind style user

Errrrmmm

I mean, maybe, assuming he's good enough with it which Orochimaru probably is but the fact he never actually uses it implies otherwise.

I mean, to be fair, Orochimaru was literally unable to use Ninjutsu period for a pretty considerable chunk of the series. So I dunno if it's fair to say he doesn't ever use it, especially when Futon is quite literally one of the few elements we do actually see him use on occasion.

Either way it's all very shaky reasoning. Especially considering the novel could have easily said "strongest"

On that, we agree. I'm not sure if it's the most solid reasoning.

 

[karo_senpaii]

when they say something like most skilled shinobi we all know there are so many things involved in being a shinobi asides from strength or speed. In this case what exactly does skilled wind user mean for a shinobi trained in the art of killing except in terms of speed or strength. Plus it's not like temari wind release is actually some creative shit. She flaps a very big fan and destroys things, I'm not seeing the "skill"

 

[Testarossa002]

Like I mentioned, you can't take the best = strongest because it's blatantly not true
Naruto's more powerful jutsus are fuuton based, a fact which Shikamaru knows.
It's quite literally impossible for Temari to be stronger than Naruto, which calls the aforementioned interpretation into disrepute.
Not to mention, again, that Shikamaru uses probably
so it's not exactly a bullet proof statement

 

[DavidTPPM]

I mean, to be fair, Orochimaru was literally unable to use Ninjutsu period for a pretty considerable chunk of the series. So I dunno if it's fair to say he doesn't ever use it, especially when Futon is quite literally one of the few elements we do actually see him use on occasion.

True but if he was considered a wind style by Kishimoto user I'm sure he could have used at least like 1 wind style jutsu against anyone who's not a fodder child

 

[karo_senpaii]

Like I mentioned, you can't take the best = strongest because it's blatantly not true
Naruto's more powerful jutsus are fuuton based, a fact which Shikamaru knows.
It's quite literally impossible for Temari to be stronger than Naruto, which calls the aforementioned interpretation into disrepute.
There's also Toneri with his wind jutsu that smashed through the moon's surface, something Shikamaru experienced firsthand
Not to mention, again, that Shikamaru uses probably
so it's not exactly a bullet proof statement

I Might have to read the novel to get more context. Coz like temari in my opinion is not even more "skilled" than naruto in wind release

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Like I mentioned, you can't take the best = strongest because it's blatantly not true
Naruto's more powerful jutsus are fuuton based, a fact which Shikamaru knows.
It's quite literally impossible for Temari to be stronger than Naruto, which calls the aforementioned interpretation into disrepute.
Not to mention, again, that Shikamaru uses probably
so it's not exactly a bullet proof statement

Toneri doesn't get involved in this because he means the Shinobi world. He also says that Temari is the second best, if not the best. So he might have thought that Naruto could be the best.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Like I mentioned, you can't take the best = strongest because it's blatantly not true
Naruto's more powerful jutsus are fuuton based, a fact which Shikamaru knows.
It's quite literally impossible for Temari to be stronger than Naruto, which calls the aforementioned interpretation into disrepute.
Not to mention, again, that Shikamaru uses probably
so it's not exactly a bullet proof statement

"Or if not, second"

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Honestly, I think a better avenue of scaling here is Shukaku, I'm ngl. The statement affirms that she's the best Futon user in Sunagakure first and foremost.

And guess who's a confirmed and known 6-C Futon user that resides in Sunagakure?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Okay, Shukaku is also suitable for me. Anyway, whether it's Orochimaru or Shukaku, it will scale to the same value. Because both are 4.3 Gigatons and 6-C

 

[Testarossa002]

Toneri doesn't get involved in this because he means the Shinobi world. He also says that Temari is the second best, if not the best. So he might have thought that Naruto could be the best.

I was about mentioning scaling to Shukaku but are you sure that scan is from Shikamaru Hiden?
I just searched all the keywords from that scan in the novel and can't see anything like that there

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Honestly, I think a better avenue of scaling here is Shukaku, I'm ngl. The statement affirms that she's the best Futon user in Sunagakure first and foremost.

And guess who's a confirmed and known 6-C Futon user that resides in Sunagakure?

Is he confirmed to be living there in Blank Period? Also I'm not sure about Bijuu being counted when it says "in the world of shinobi."

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Is he confirmed to be living there in Blank Period?

Where else would he be?

Also I'm not sure about Bijuu being counted when it says "in the world of shinobi."

Bijuu reside in the world of shinobi.

 

[Damage3245]

Honestly, I think a better avenue of scaling here is Shukaku, I'm ngl. The statement affirms that she's the best Futon user in Sunagakure first and foremost.

And guess who's a confirmed and known 6-C Futon user that resides in Sunagakure?

The statement seems really ueless to me. Even if we assumed it meant AP, it doesn't even say she's definitely the best since it says she could be second-best too. Plus the use of the word "probably" in it.

 

[Testarossa002]

Man, even the 2nd best statement is shaky
There's Sasuke who's registered as a Wind element User
There's that one Ninja from Sasuke Shinden who could clash pretty evenly with Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Where else would he be?

He could be somewhere in the huge Land of Wind's deserts without actually living in Sunagakure itself

Bijuu reside in the world of shinobi.

I mean sure they live on the same continent, but I don't think it's worded like that to just mean the area, but the world of shinobi in the sense of people part of that system.

The statement seems really ueless to me. Even if we assumed it meant AP, it doesn't even say she's definitely the best since it says she could be second-best too. Plus the use of the word "probably" in it.

The probably and second-best part are in reference to the whole shinobi world; the part saying she's the best in Sunagakure contains no ambiguity

Man, even the 2nd best statement is shaky
There's Sasuke who's registered as a Wind element User
There's that one Ninja from Sasuke Shinden who could clash pretty evenly with Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o

Was this novel before or after that one?

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

There's that one Ninja from Sasuke Shinden who could clash pretty evenly with Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o

Wait, that shit happened in the novel too? I thought it was anime-only lmao

 

[Nierre]

Is he confirmed to be living there in Blank Period?

In the Versus Momoshiki Arc, when Shukaku contacts Gaara about not being able to contact Gyuki anymore due to the Otsutsuki Pair, they both imply that haven't talked to each other in a long time, so it's possible he's not even in Suna. But in the One Tail Escort Arc, they're all fighting within the Land of Wind. So it's likely that he's in the Land of Wind somewhere but not within Suna itself.

Also I'm not sure about Bijuu being counted when it says "in the world of shinobi."

Also agree.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

He could be somewhere in the huge Land of Wind's deserts without actually living in Sunagakure itself

I suppose that's true.

I mean sure they live on the same continent, but I don't think it's worded like that to just mean the area, but the world of shinobi in the sense of people part of that system.

It's vague, so you could certainly interpret it that way. To me, while not much better, I feel a bit more comfortable considering Shukaku as part of the statement rather than randomly assuming Shikamaru was considering Orochimaru in that statement when they've never even met or interacted lmao.

The probably and second-best part are in reference to the whole shinobi world; the part saying she's the best in Sunagakure contains no ambiguity

I think that's Damage's point. Since there's nobody with concrete 6-C Futon scaling in Suna, he thinks it's useless.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

ah damn it

ok how about this,
as this is an attack speed, power is related rather than speed as the more you exert = the more energy propels the bijuubomb forward so how about that stage's KCM2 KA getting that since

Bee+Kurama Chakra = 1C attack speed via tbb
Kurama(above bee)+kurama chakra(didnt give it to anyone and kept his power to himself) = 1C attack speed via tbb

gyuki didnt show orange aura for some reason, makes me think only bees physicals were only amped by kn0 cloak, avatars I assume should be produced by the bijuus chakra



it doesnt say much about power

Tiny Bump on this in case slayer forgot

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I suppose that's true.

It's vague, so you could certainly interpret it that way. To me, while not much better, I feel a bit more comfortable considering Shukaku as part of the statement rather than randomly assuming Shikamaru was considering Orochimaru in that statement when they've never even met or interacted lmao.

You could take it as a pseudo narrator insert statement but I guess with its use of "probably." maybe not. I think it's fine to say that Temari's Bijuu level though since there are so many Bijuu level characters in the verse at this point, and so Shikamaru claiming her to be the best Wind user in the world without knowing everyone's full arsenal should imply she's in this general high tier level.

I think that's Damage's point. Since there's nobody with concrete 6-C Futon scaling in Suna, he thinks it's useless.

Fair enough

 

[Testarossa002]

Wait, that shit happened in the novel too? I thought it was anime-only lmao

Yep

His Mangekyo sharingan was activated, and an enormous winged armored warrior appeared to shield Sasuke.
“Hngh!” Sasuke caught the massive blade with Susano’o’s sword. The squeal of the wind blade and the sword pushing against each other rang out, and sweat popped up on the foreheads of the fighters.
“Aaaaaah!” Sasuke concentrated his power in his eyes. Susano’o heaved one foot forward and started to push against the wind blade, leaning his weight into it.
“Ngh.” Nowaki bit his lip and pulled apart the hands weaving signs. When he did, the blade turned back into wind, and disappeared—but Nowaki immediately rewove the signs. “I won’t let you end this!” The wind’s rotation returned, and a fierce, turbulent column of air once again enveloped the area, pushing at Susano’o; he staggered a few steps.

Was this novel before or after that one?

Shortly after
Besides, there's still Sasuke

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Okay, did a bit more digging and the scan isn't from Shikamaru Hiden. It's from Konoha Hiden which takes place after the whole Kido stuff

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Nowaki my favourite Hashirama neg differ

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yep

fvck me...

ah damn it

ok how about this,
as this is an attack speed, power is related rather than speed as the more you exert = the more energy propels the bijuubomb forward so how about that stage's KCM2 KA getting that since

Bee+Kurama Chakra = 1C attack speed via tbb
Kurama(above bee)+kurama chakra(didnt give it to anyone and kept his power to himself) = 1C attack speed via tbb

I have plans involving Mifune, but honestly, I'm fine with this. MKM Naruto's Bijuudama attack speed scaling to this is fine. But it's not like that scaling exists in a vacuum, and OP hasn't really accounted for any of that in their proposal.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

fvck me...

I have plans involving Mifune, but honestly, I'm fine with this. MKM Naruto's Bijuudama attack speed scaling to this is fine. But it's not like that scaling exists in a vacuum, and OP hasn't really accounted for any of that in their proposal.

NICEEEE

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I suppose this part is better off in its own CRT with a proposed scaling chain

as for Temari I think at best she would get is "upto FTL attack speed in KN0" with it being an isolated fluff rating

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

Man, even the 2nd best statement is shaky
There's Sasuke who's registered as a Wind element User
There's that one Ninja from Sasuke Shinden who could clash pretty evenly with Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o

Nowaki has the typhoon kekkei genkai. It doesn't hurt Sasuke's Susanoo with just Fuuton.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I suppose this part is better off in its own CRT with a proposed scaling chain

as for Temari I think at best she would get is "upto FTL attack speed in KN0" with it being an isolated fluff rating

In a way this is a very large upgrade. So many people would scale from naruto attack speed. Juubito, minato, tobirama. Every relevant mf would

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

In a way this is a very large upgrade. So many people would scale from naruto attack speed. Juubito, minato, tobirama. Every relevant mf would

Not really

Only the ones you mentioned +Narusasu and madara would get upgraded to ftl

So like 5-6 people

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

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