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A Puny Monkey gets to fight a God. Son Goku vs Thor Odinson (24-20-0). status: ADDED

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Also, if Goku gets really bored, then he might just power up all the way and do that whole Tap your Neck thing they do in Dragon Ball.
 
Battle Summary so far

> Goku win cons are due to AP advantage with transformations, skill advantage in martial arts, Analytical prediction, reactive power level, Teleportation, and warp Kamehameha as well.

> Thor win cons is a Thermo Blast to Goku before Goku jumps SSJ3 and beats him with far superior AP. Also Energy Absorption could be used to get an AP advantage over Goku if he continually spams Ki blast.

>Thor's WM can not be used in this scenerio because him becoming a mindless brute would allow Goku to turn the tables easier on him. Basically if Broly in Ikari form had a static power level against SSJG Goku and couldn't AP override him.
 
No he wasn't "paralysed by the skill gap" if anything he was paralysed from fear of what Beerus represented and did to his father back in the day. No, it's never done through skill either it's entirely fear hax.

Ok but when does Goku do this? Roshi saying this means nothing if Goku hasn't done it to his advantage ever in DB.

Again the only way and reason Goku doesn't get one-shot is because the antagonists ALWAYS play with Goku. Any antagonist will get cocky after beating the crap out of Goku then he will trick them. That isn't skillful at all it's just his opponents being idiotic.

Context for him blindsiding Raditz? Because all he did was grab his tail. Again Raditz was playing with him and Goku doesn't demonstrate any good combat feat.

Sure but nothing impressive. Also Jiren doing that is a Ki ability not skill. Even if it were, it isn't quantifiable.

No, they would always destroy him if they did not hold back and no antagonists aren't especially skilled at all. Freiza held back and played with him the entire time. Same with Cell. Same with Jiren. Any antagonist you name, held back for Goku's benefit.

Being the best martial artist on Earth alone means nothing to Thor.

Yes said experience is useless unless you can prove they were fighting and gained considerable skill feats compared to "learning hundreds of combat styles from many cultures over thousands of years". This isn't proving and you can only assume.

Ok prove it.
 
We still need to determine whether or not some thor votes are based on non-disproven reasoning. So I'd hold off on adding this as a inconclusion as this could very well jump in favour of Goku due to Thor votes being discounted.
 
No, that's explicitly not why, you're trying to insert some trauma that DOESN'T exist in canon.

Roshi specificaly pick a style to stop Goku from copying him so pretty much every fight Goku was in, he also did with Tao Pai Pai.

No, They weren't playing around, Freezer sure as hell doesn't let himself be wounded for fun and Radditz doesn't beg for fun either.

Ki is a martial art skill and we are never told he use ki.

.....you're aware that until the Cell saga, none of the opponents they faced even KNEW how to hold back ? Radditz was on his ass that you could lower your power level.

Thor get outskilled by people who aren't even in the top 10 of their planete in term of martial arts so no, it mean a lot.

You can't prove any of Thor's opponents did that either, all of them just went around brutalising fodders, nothing else and King Kai is confirmed to have used his time to develop techniques and train people while Beerus is repeatedly confirmed to be trained by Whis to reach UI, which is explicitly in-universe the hightest martial art thing ever.

The absence of any comics where Thor use that ability in the last 10 years prove it, i don't see how it's supposed to be hard to say something isn't there.
 
Akreious said:
We still need to determine whether or not some thor votes are based on non-disproven reasoning. So I'd hold off on adding this as a inconclusion as this could very well jump in favour of Goku due to Thor votes being discounted.
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Pretty sure the hax argument was rejected even by the Thor side so at least those votes can be discounted, same for the stamina votes since all agreed that it wouldn't be a battle of attrition either way but i'll let others decide if they need to be kept or not, i'm fine either way.

Technicaly i think it's Omegas03's call anyway.
 
Most of which are highly out of character for him to use.

First, explain what "out of character" even means in this instance, and why these haxes would be "out of character" for Thor to use. He did use them in the comics, and they don't seem to have been rendered non-canon or out-of-continuity.

Second, explain why whether an attack is "out of character" is even relevant when talking about hypothetical versus fights between fictional characters.
 
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Most of which are highly out of character for him to use.
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First, explain what "out of character" even means in this instance, and why these haxes would be "out of character" for Thor to use. He did use them in the comics, and they don't seem to have been rendered non-canon or out-of-continuity.
Second, explain why whether an attack is "out of character" is even relevant when talking about hypothetical versus fights between fictional characters.

It means that if Thor was going to fight Goku, he would instantly ingage in hand to hand combat as he normally does with any opponent he faces, Thor's haxes are not his consistent "go to" abilities and thus would probably not be used until later into the fight if at all. It's like Goku destroying the Solar System to steal a victory, not that that would or would not beat Thor, but it's extremely out of character for Goku to do. Overall, Thor is restricted to using abilities that has consistently used against opponents, just like Goku. Just because they can do something doesn't neccesarily mean they would and that is what is important when creating hypothetical situations.
 
So Thor uses these haxes much later in the fight, after hashing out physical force, and that's the end of it.
 
Malomtek said:
So Thor uses these haxes much later in the fight, after hashing out physical force, and that's the end of it.
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"Much later" when Goku can transform and KO easily before that and what haxes?
 
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