High 6-C Fire and Cold Tournament 2022: Group A - Kamen Rider Vulcan vs Meliodas

[DemonicDude]

Group A: Hell-Bringers
Round 6:
Same Rules as stated in the Tournament.

• Speed Equalized
• Random encounters no prior knowledge to anybody or of the location.
• Location: Inferno Island

Results:
Kamen Rider Vulkan 7 (Popted2, DD, Beriss, Ixa, Nicetoderp, Lugh, Glace)
Meliodas (True magic form) 2 Nel, Speed)
Inconclusive:

 

[speedster352]

I vote Meliodas for clones, flight fc,vc,rc hellblaze, regen and 3000 + years of experience and etc

 

[Nicetoderp]

I vote Meliodas for clones, flight fc,vc,rc hellblaze, regen and 3000 + years of experience and etc

3000 years of experience and skill counter by precog and accelerate development which mean that all of that skill get developed right back into Vulcan own skill.

Cloning get sniped by Vulcan since each time he make clone it become weaker so swarm tactics doesn't work.

Regen have it's limit and beloved me Vulcan is going to hit Meliodas a lot along with tons of explosion. What's the best Mel have regen from? Has he regen from having his entire body vaporised, or at least 3/4 of it.

Assuming this is Post Series then he can amp his stats by at least 5x via Assault form which will overpowered Meliodas due to his own RPL on top of that.

I am going to summarise this as usual, precog, rpl, perception manip dodge through everything ggs.

 

[speedster352]

3000 years of experience and skill counter by precog and accelerate development which mean that all of that skill get developed right back into Vulcan own skill.

Cloning get sniped by Vulcan since each time he make clone it become weaker so swarm tactics doesn't work.

Regen have it's limit and beloved me Vulcan is going to hit Meliodas a lot along with tons of explosion. What's the best Mel have regen from? Has he regen from having his entire body vaporised, or at least 3/4 of it.

Assuming this is Post Series then he can amp his stats by at least 5x via Assault form which will overpowered Meliodas due to his own RPL on top of that.

I am going to summarise this as usual, precog, rpl, perception manip dodge through everything ggs.

Trillion dark, hellblaze aoe darkness pillars and weather manipulation and duality negation and last but not least revenge counter

 

[Nicetoderp]

Trillion dark, hellblaze aoe darkness pillars and weather manipulation and duality negation and last but not least revenge counter

Trillion darks, hellblaze and dark pillar can be dodge with sheer acrobatics, he himself can play the range game and constantly sniping at Meliodas. The most acrobatic one he may not be but every Riders can easily jump up buildings and parkour with ease, combined with his sheer tenacity as well.

How does Durability neg work exactly since it doesn't explain on the profile.

And Revenge Counter is a last resort move that most likely get stuffed by Vulcan's finisher which like every traditional KR finishing move, one-shot opponent who is either peer to them or weaker, which Meliodas going to be as soon as the fight start and when Vulcan pop into his Assault form.

 

[speedster352]

Trillion darks, hellblaze and dark pillar can be dodge with sheer acrobatics, he himself can play the range game and constantly sniping at Meliodas. The most acrobatic one he may not be but every Riders can easily jump up buildings and parkour with ease, combined with his sheer tenacity as well.

How does Durability neg work exactly since it doesn't explain on the profile.

And Revenge Counter is a last resort move that most likely get stuffed by Vulcan's finisher which like every traditional KR finishing move, one-shot opponent who is either peer to them or weaker, which Meliodas going to be as soon as the fight start and when Vulcan pop into his Assault form.

Trillion dark is danmaku and the darkness pillar destroyed an entire kingdom so good luck dodging it especially when Meliodas can spin it around himself. Meliodas has FC and VC and clones to also help FC and VC to deal with all non-physical attacks. His true magic has durability negation by either deconstruction or EE. Meliodas can fly away and wait for the battlefield to be destroyed by his presence or just grab him since he has the LS advantage.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Trillion dark is danmaku and the darkness pillar destroyed an entire kingdom so good luck dodging it especially when Meliodas can spin it around himself. Meliodas has FC and VC and clones to also help FC and VC to deal with all non-physical attacks. His true magic has durability negation by either deconstruction or EE. Meliodas can fly away and wait for the battlefield to be destroyed by his presence or just grab him since he has the LS advantage.

True magic doesn't have EE iirc

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

There isn't even Deconstruction or EE in the Demon Clan Physiology page only resistance to Deconstruction

 

[Nicetoderp]

Trillion dark is danmaku and the darkness pillar destroyed an entire kingdom so good luck dodging it especially when Meliodas can spin it around himself

If he spin it around himself then all he need to do is break through. If there's a gap in anyway then all he has to do is to shot through them. Pressing belt solve everything (stat amp to hell).

Meliodas has FC and VC and clones to also help FC and VC to deal with all non-physical attack

None of Vulcan attacks in anyway can be qualified as magical in nature. There's many magical, or outright magic in Kamen Rider verse. Zero-One isn't one of them. And again, the more clones he created the weaker they are which will be prone to getting shot in the head by someone that can intercept a bullet mid-snipe with his own shot at the start of the series.

His true magic has durability negation by either deconstruction or EE

May I have a statement on existence erasure? Deconstruct has been resist by everyone and their mother in this series.

Meliodas can fly away and wait for the battlefield to be destroyed by his presence or just grab him since he has the LS advantage.

Fly away and get snipe if he dare approaching Fuwa at all. And good luck landing a grab on Zero-One Rider.

 

[speedster352]

If he spin it around himself then all he need to do is break through. If there's a gap in anyway then all he has to do is to shot through them. Pressing belt solve everything (stat amp to hell).


None of Vulcan attacks in anyway can be qualified as magical in nature. There's many magical, or outright magic in Kamen Rider verse. Zero-One isn't one of them. And again, the more clones he created the weaker they are which will be prone to getting shot in the head by someone that can intercept a bullet mid-snipe with his own shot at the start of the series.



May I have a statement on existence erasure? Deconstruct has been resist by everyone and their mother in this series.

Fly away and get snipe if he dare approaching Fuwa at all. And good luck landing a grab on Zero-One Rider.

FC works on any non-physical attack as shown when Meliodas FC natural lightning and darkness it's on his profile so he FC Kamens attacks. There are no gaps with trillion dark it's danamku. here Meliodas can fly too. Also, Meliodas has the LS so once he or his clones grab Kamen it's gg. Actually the clones ap is weaker not speed or strength.

 

[speedster352]

There isn't even Deconstruction or EE in the Demon Clan Physiology page only resistance to Deconstruction

here

 

[speedster352]

True magic doesn't have EE iirc

He still has durability negation on his profile.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

here

going by the comments below it the EE wasn't accepted

 

[speedster352]

going by the comments below it the EE wasn't accepted

yes but decon and resistance negation seems to be accepted and spacial manipulation

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Some of deconstruction wasn't accepted as well

 

[speedster352]

Some of deconstruction wasn't accepted as well

Read the whole thing byasura agrees with it

 

[Nicetoderp]

Yes and what about the other mod? Do they agree as well?

FC works on any non-physical attack as shown when Meliodas FC natural lightning and darkness it's on his profile so he FC Kamens attacks.

The profile on his move also state that they need to be magic. Other than lightning and darkness has he also reflect any other energy type attack? Even then his attack can be entirely physical as well due to the nature of the series.

Also, Meliodas has the LS so once he or his clones grab Kamen it's gg. Actually the clones ap is weaker not speed or strength.

And frankly the chance of that happening is not likely due to good old precogs on precogs. On Lostvayne section it's state that the Power Level of the clones get progressively weaker the more that he make. Which if I remembered how the NNT power level system work is just their overall strenght like durability and AP. So yes they'll most likely get pop before doing anything meaningful.

Meliodas can fly too.

No no, I mean if Mel try to just range spam then Vulcan range spam back with his much higher AP shown to tearing through weaker ones even if they are a swarm or several layers of barriers.

 

[speedster352]

Yes and what about the other mod? Do they agree as well?

The profile on his move also state that they need to be magic. Other than lightning and darkness has he also reflect any other energy type attack? Even then his attack can be entirely physical as well due to the nature of the series.



And frankly the chance of that happening is not likely due to good old precogs on precogs. On Lostvayne section it's state that the Power Level of the clones get progressively weaker the more that he make. Which if I remembered how the NNT power level system work is just their overall strenght like durability and AP. So yes they'll most likely get pop before doing anything meaningful.

No no, I mean if Mel try to just range spam then Vulcan range spam back with his much higher AP shown to tearing through weaker ones even if they are a swarm or several layers of barriers.

Yes Meliodas can FC any non physical attack it’s even on his profile. So those light attacks and wolfs will get reflected. Still no counters to trillion dark, hellblaze and aoe darkness pillars that can destroy an entire kingdom.
Edit Meliodas can restrain kamen even his clones as well as seen in the cursed by the light movie. Any counters to fear aura or durability negation? Meliodas can just wait until
the battlefield is destroyed by his presence.

 

[BERRIES555]

Does Meliodas start off with trillion dark, hellblaze and his darkness pillars?

Vulcan starts off with his stat amps and finishers. See, Vulcan’s speed amp is pretty busted, by himself, Vulcan’s capable of casually reacting and blocking attacks from Jackle via his precog, Jackle being an opponent who’s raw speed allowed her to blitz Vulcan faster than his eyes could track her. Despite this, Vulcan’s precog allowed him to easily track her and kept up with her. This even extended to when Jackle used her finisher, which allowed her to blitzed comparable foes. And Vulcan’s Rampage Blast is capable of amping his speed to blitz people on his level. The absolute weakest speed amp of the series comes from base Zero One, who blitzed androids who literally had the exact same level of reaction as himself. Vulcan is vastly superior to that Zero One.

So Vulcan speed amp is capable of blitzing people who’s precognition already allowed them to react to layered levels of blitzing. This combined with the fact that Vulcan has deconstruction, which Meliodas doesn’t have any resistance against.

 

[speedster352]

Does Meliodas start off with trillion dark, hellblaze and his darkness pillars?

Vulcan starts off with his stat amps and finishers. See, Vulcan’s speed amp is pretty busted, by himself, Vulcan’s capable of casually reacting and blocking attacks from Jackle via his precog, Jackle being an opponent who’s raw speed allowed her to blitz Vulcan faster than his eyes could track her. Despite this, Vulcan’s precog allowed him to easily track her and kept up with her. This even extended to when Jackle used her finisher, which allowed her to blitzed comparable foes. And Vulcan’s Rampage Blast is capable of amping his speed to blitz people on his level.

So Vulcan speed amp is capable of blitzing people who’s precognition already allowed them to react to layered levels of blitzing. This combined with the fact that Vulcan has deconstruction, which Meliodas doesn’t have any resistance against.

Meliodas does have resistance to deconstruction read the nnt crt 2. Yes Meliodas starts of with these attacks and darkness pillars. If he keeps dodging he will resort to restraining which will be easy considering the huge LS advantage. There is still revenge counter and FC all of kamens non physical attacks. Any counters to passive fear aura? Meliodas can cover himself with darkness to protect himself and according to sba it’s nighttime and Meliodas gets a buff including durability negation with true magic. That’s how Meliodas fights.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Night time doesn't give him that much of buff restraining vulcan would be hard since he is faster than the clones fear aura doesn't do much since vulcan has the AP advantage

 

[BERRIES555]

Could you link me to the CRT, cause from one of the CRTs, someone said that there’s multiple threads going off which haven’t yet been accepted. Also like, I don’t see resistance to deconstruction on either Mel’s page of the demon clan’s page.

Like what Lugh said, you’d have to actually grab Vulcan to restrain him, which, good luck with that when he’s dodging everything, blitzing, seeing the entire fight in slow motion and putting up energy barriers to separate him and anything Mel has to offer.

Vulcan has directly fought against Ark One, who’s superior to Ark-Zero. Ark Zero is a rider who’s passive fear Hax allowed him to knock out an entire 30+ team of anti terrorist soldiers to pass out from their fear. His “Malice”, which is his fear Hax, gets stronger as you get closer to Ark One. The AoE fear Hax happened when Ark Zero entered the arena AIMS (the anti terrorist organization) was in. Simply touching objects allows Ark to corrode the surroundings. And Vulcan was capable of fighting against without any hesitation or signs of fear. In fact, Vulcan was willing to continue on fight even after losing his greatest weapon and forces to use a form over 50x weaker than his Rampage Vulcan state.

Mel’s fear aura is nothing Vulcan hasn’t seen before and he WILL push through

 

[speedster352]

Could you link me to the CRT, cause from one of the CRTs, someone said that there’s multiple threads going off which haven’t yet been accepted. Also like, I don’t see resistance to deconstruction on either Mel’s page of the demon clan’s page.

Like what Lugh said, you’d have to actually grab Vulcan to restrain him, which, good luck with that when he’s dodging everything, blitzing, seeing the entire fight in slow motion and putting up energy barriers to separate him and anything Mel has to offer.

Vulcan has directly fought against Ark One, who’s superior to Ark-Zero. Ark Zero is a rider who’s passive fear Hax allowed him to knock out an entire 30+ team of anti terrorist soldiers to pass out from their fear. His “Malice”, which is his fear Hax, gets stronger as you get closer to Ark One. The AoE fear Hax happened when Ark Zero entered the arena AIMS (the anti terrorist organization) was in. Simply touching objects allows Ark to corrode the surroundings. And Vulcan was capable of fighting against without any hesitation or signs of fear. In fact, Vulcan was willing to continue on fight even after losing his greatest weapon and forces to use a form over 50x weaker than his Rampage Vulcan state.

Mel’s fear aura is nothing Vulcan hasn’t seen before and he WILL push through

here. You still haven’t stated any counters to FC,RC, LS advantage, durabity negation, trillion dark and aoe darkness attacks

 

[Nicetoderp]

Oh? We're using Rampage Vulcan?

Fight start, Mel immediately get blitz into oblivion.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

FC doesn't do anything since there are magic in Kamen Rider but Vulcan's attack are not magic base according to nairodesu

LS advantage doesn't do much since he can't tag Vulcan

Trillion Dark and AoE Darkness attacks can be dodge by Acrobatics

 

[Nicetoderp]

You still haven’t stated any counters to FC,RC

By the fact that Vulcan really doesn't need to use non-physical attacks to pummels him, and Mel HAVE to directly use full counter which with Vulcan precog will break through his guards.

LS advantage

Dodge

durabity negation

Any statement on how his duraneg work? Again, if it's from deconstruction then it won't do anything.

trillion dark and aoe darkness attacks

Bust through with raw AP from RPL.

 

[BERRIES555]

Right, so the CRT that you send, it doesn’t seem like it has yet to be accepted. That’s why things like Mel’s deconstruction and EE aren’t on his profile. So you can’t use evidence for Mel’s deconstruction resistance until that CRT goes through and the majority agrees.

The others have said some reason to things Mel has to offer, but there’s a few that I still want to point out. It’s going to be nigh impossible for Mel to actually hit Vulcan when he’s going all out. His danmaku is responded with Vulcan using his amps or creating energy projection to block the barrage.

 

[speedster352]

FC doesn't do anything since there are magic in Kamen Rider but Vulcan's attack are not magic base according to nairodesu

LS advantage doesn't do much since he can't tag Vulcan

Trillion Dark and AoE Darkness attacks can be dodge by Acrobatics

FC worked on natural lightning and darkness it's on Meliodas profile and it's agreed that FC works on any non-physical attack

By the fact that Vulcan really doesn't need to use non-physical attacks to pummels him, and Mel HAVE to directly use full counter which with Vulcan precog will break through his guards.

Dodge

Any statement on how his duraneg work? Again, if it's from deconstruction then it won't do anything.

Bust through with raw AP from RPL.

I said read nnt crt part 2 he also has resistance negation here

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

FC worked on natural lightning and darkness it's on Meliodas profile and it's agreed that FC works on any non-physical attack

where?

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Ok i saw it now

 

[Nicetoderp]

Resistance neg where?

None can be found on his profile nor the demon clan physiology.

Hell there's still plenty of argument going on in the thread itself so it sure as hell aren't conclude. And since it aren't in there, you need to debate on the abilities that's actually on the profile.

 

[Lugh_Tuathe_Dé]

Resistance neg where?

None can be found on his profile nor the demon clan physiology.

Hell there's still plenty of argument going on in the thread itself so it sure as hell aren't conclude. And since it aren't in there, you need to debate on the abilities that's actually on the profile.

There is resistance negation

• Hellfire Manipulation, Regeneration Negation (Mid-High), Resistance Negation: Demons can use black purgatory fire/hellblaze, nullify regeneration of other such as Ban. Purgatory flame can burn the Fairy King's forest which is immune to natural fire and Izraf stated it could harm him although regular fire could not.

 

[Arkenis]

Is the regen neg Melis win con ?

 

[Nicetoderp]

Hey, that's good.

Hopefully he spam the hell out of Hell Blaze before he get blitz or RPL. I have already explained how fast RPL in this series work in the previous thread so I won't elaborate further.

In Rampage form Vulcan open with one of the finishers, however, assuming this is 4KM range apart Vulcan will most likely goes with Rampage Speed to close the distance.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Is the regen neg Melis win con ?

The thing is, Vulcan doesn't have a regeneration iirc

 

[Nicetoderp]

Is the regen neg Melis win con ?

Nope, while Rider system allow the user to endure crippling wounds like broken bones they don't have any innate regen, other than Eden.

 

[speedster352]

Nope, while Rider system allow the user to endure crippling wounds like broken bones they don't have any innate regen, other than Eden.

Can Kamen dodge this?

 

[speedster352]

Nope, while Rider system allow the user to endure crippling wounds like broken bones they don't have any innate regen, other than Eden.

or this?

 

[speedster352]

FC doesn't do anything since there are magic in Kamen Rider but Vulcan's attack are not magic base according to nairodesu

LS advantage doesn't do much since he can't tag Vulcan

Trillion Dark and AoE Darkness attacks can be dodge by Acrobatics

The range is way too large this?

 

[speedster352]

Hey, that's good.

Hopefully he spam the hell out of Hell Blaze before he get blitz or RPL. I have already explained how fast RPL in this series work in the previous thread so I won't elaborate further.

In Rampage form Vulcan open with one of the finishers, however, assuming this is 4KM range apart Vulcan will most likely goes with Rampage Speed to close the distance.

It is only Kamen Rider Vulcan and Meliodas has the overwhlming ap advantage so his attacks will hurt. If Kamen keeps dodging he will resort to aoe attacks and restraining which is simply because of his LS advantage he can grab him with clones, his hand, or with darkness and Kamen has human weaknesses so the environment will be detrimental or Meliodas' passive fear aura which scared countless souls in the sword Excaliber. He can also crush Kamen with darkness.

• Shooting Wolf – Shooting Kaban Shot: Shoots a blue energy construct resembling a wolf's head. So Kamen also uses non-physical attacks.