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High 6-C Fire and Cold Tournament 2022: Group A - Kamen Rider Vulcan vs Meliodas

BERRIES555 said:
Could you link me to the CRT, cause from one of the CRTs, someone said that there’s multiple threads going off which haven’t yet been accepted. Also like, I don’t see resistance to deconstruction on either Mel’s page of the demon clan’s page.

Like what Lugh said, you’d have to actually grab Vulcan to restrain him, which, good luck with that when he’s dodging everything, blitzing, seeing the entire fight in slow motion and putting up energy barriers to separate him and anything Mel has to offer.

Vulcan has directly fought against Ark One, who’s superior to Ark-Zero. Ark Zero is a rider who’s passive fear Hax allowed him to knock out an entire 30+ team of anti terrorist soldiers to pass out from their fear. His “Malice”, which is his fear Hax, gets stronger as you get closer to Ark One. The AoE fear Hax happened when Ark Zero entered the arena AIMS (the anti terrorist organization) was in. Simply touching objects allows Ark to corrode the surroundings. And Vulcan was capable of fighting against without any hesitation or signs of fear. In fact, Vulcan was willing to continue on fight even after losing his greatest weapon and forces to use a form over 50x weaker than his Rampage Vulcan state.

Mel’s fear aura is nothing Vulcan hasn’t seen before and he WILL push through
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Meliodas has the ap advantage so fear aura will work. Here are the amps Meliodas has his true magic form is above 200 gigatons by an unknown amount. Then he has a night amp which is notable or chandler wouldn't mention it. Then he also has rage boosts which will increase his power even more. Since Kamen will be paralyzed at the start of the battle Meliodas will grab him and attack him until he dies or Meliodas can wait until the landscape gets destroyed by his presence and Kamen will die since he has human weaknesses.
 
RPL literally equals their AP, in the series, Riders have shown to be able to overcome a 10x stat difference. Now, this doesn’t mean Vulcan will be 10x, this simply means his RPL can reach upto 10 his base. So if a person is 2x stronger, he’ll become 2x stronger. If a person is 9.9x stronger, he’ll become 9.9x stronger. Vulcan would then be able to amp himself further. And I already told you why fear haxing won’t work on Vulcan.

Destroying the landscape would be detrimental….if it wasn’t for the fact that Vulcan can fly. While it doesn’t show on his profile, you can see that Vulcan has the combine ability of all 10 Progrise Keys, which include the Flying Falcon.

You still haven’t given a reason why Vulcan can’t just deconstruct Mel with his speed advantage. And going to that CRT wouldn’t help here since that CRT has yet to be accepted.
 
BERRIES555 said:
RPL literally equals their AP, in the series, Riders have shown to be able to overcome a 10x stat difference. Now, this doesn’t mean Vulcan will be 10x, this simply means his RPL can reach upto 10 his base. So if a person is 2x stronger, he’ll become 2x stronger. If a person is 9.9x stronger, he’ll become 9.9x stronger. Vulcan would then be able to amp himself further. And I already told you why fear haxing won’t work on Vulcan.

Destroying the landscape would be detrimental….if it wasn’t for the fact that Vulcan can fly. While it doesn’t show on his profile, you can see that Vulcan has the combine ability of all 10 Progrise Keys, which include the Flying Falcon.

You still haven’t given a reason why Vulcan can’t just deconstruct Mel with his speed advantage. And going to that CRT wouldn’t help here since that CRT has yet to be accepted.
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It is accepted it will be implemented by tomorrow at the latest. He has no counter to fear aura and paralysis so how will he rapidly improve when he can't move or think straight. Meliodas has a lot of other ways to win.

speedster352 said:
It is only Kamen Rider Vulcan and Meliodas has the overwhlming ap advantage so his attacks will hurt. If Kamen keeps dodging he will resort to aoe attacks and restraining which is simply because of his LS advantage he can grab him with clones, his hand, or with darkness and Kamen has human weaknesses so the environment will be detrimental or Meliodas' passive fear aura which scared countless souls in the sword Excaliber. He can also crush Kamen with darkness.
  • Shooting Wolf – Shooting Kaban Shot: Shoots a blue energy construct resembling a wolf's head. So Kamen also uses non-physical attacks.
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speedster352 said:
or this?
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speedster352 said:
The range is way too large this?
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Any counters?
 
Here is how the fight would go Kamen will be paralyzed at the start of the battle and Meliodas will grab him with darkness, clones, or his hand and attack him to death or just hax him to death before he becomes a threat
 
Ark Zero’s aura causes people to be paralyzed is fear, which is what the demon clan’s aura is like. Vulcan has withstood Ark One’s superior aura. Paralysis won’t work here. And because of the fact he won’t be paralyzed, Mel can’t cast his him due to him superior speed and beat him via deconstruction. The fact that Mel CRT hasn’t been pushed through yet means we can’t use evidence from that CRT.
 
BERRIES555 said:
Ark Zero’s aura causes people to be paralyzed is fear, which is what the demon clan’s aura is like. Vulcan has withstood Ark One’s superior aura. Paralysis won’t work here. And because of the fact he won’t be paralyzed, Mel can’t cast his him due to him superior speed and beat him via deconstruction. The fact that Mel CRT hasn’t been pushed through yet means we can’t use evidence from that CRT.
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It will be implemented by tomorrow at the latest. Demon clan aura worked on the countless souls in Excaliber. (His aura terrified the souls within Excalibur). All of those heroes in that were brave and courageous and were still terrified by their aura. Meliodas has a lot of aoe attacks which destroyed an entire kingdom and danmaku with trillion dark. At the start of the battle Kamen will be paralyzed or trembling in fear and Meliodas can restrain him and attack him to death with hellbaze so he can't heal himself and hellblaze never goes out and cannot be put out conventionally. Any counters to getting crushed with darkness, attacks getting FC?
 
If you really want to hold off this thread until tomorrow, then sure, we can hold this thread until Mel’s CRT goes through.

Simply saying that a person’s hax is capable of affecting more people doesn’t go one to one with the hax’s effectiveness. Mel’s terrifying countless people is good with the fact that it affect a lot of people but Ark can install so much fear that people pass out. Yes, Ark affected less people but making people pass out from fear is better than simply making people scared. Fear and paralysis won’t work on Vulcan, simple as that.

Vulcan would simply dodge with his superior speed and FC only works with energy based attacks, Vulcan would simply go for CQC
 
BERRIES555 said:
If you really want to hold off this thread until tomorrow, then sure, we can hold this thread until Mel’s CRT goes through.

Simply saying that a person’s hax is capable of affecting more people doesn’t go one to one with the hax’s effectiveness. Mel’s terrifying countless people is good with the fact that it affect a lot of people but Ark can install so much fear that people pass out. Yes, Ark affected less people but making people pass out from fear is better than simply making people scared. Fear and paralysis won’t work on Vulcan, simple as that.

Vulcan would simply dodge with his superior speed and FC only works with energy based attacks, Vulcan would simply go for CQC
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The aura is not the same Meliodas starts off with the ap advantage and his fear hax will work cqc means that Meliodas can grab him or crush him with darkness since he has the LS advantage. And constantly dodging will force Meliodas to use trillion dark and aoe darkness attacks that destroyed and entire king 30, 000 feat deep.
 
BERRIES555 said:
If you really want to hold off this thread until tomorrow, then sure, we can hold this thread until Mel’s CRT goes through.

Simply saying that a person’s hax is capable of affecting more people doesn’t go one to one with the hax’s effectiveness. Mel’s terrifying countless people is good with the fact that it affect a lot of people but Ark can install so much fear that people pass out. Yes, Ark affected less people but making people pass out from fear is better than simply making people scared. Fear and paralysis won’t work on Vulcan, simple as that.

Vulcan would simply dodge with his superior speed and FC only works with energy based attacks, Vulcan would simply go for CQC
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Any counters to this?
 
speedster352 said:
Any counters to this?
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Dodge, all other that cannot be dodge get bulldoze through Finisher which is shown to stuffed attack with less AP than his.

Rampage Power basically mean that he can tank pretty much everything Mel can hope to dishing out against him.
speedster352 said:
And constantly dodging will force Meliodas to use trillion dark and aoe darkness attacks that destroyed and entire king 30, 000 feat deep.
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And the thing is he won't be dodging for long before Mel will be put in a defensive. Hell, nevermind that Mel immediately start the fight off against the opponent far faster than him due to the fact that Vulcan start with Rampage Speed which blitz people far faster than Mel
speedster352 said:
The aura is not the same Meliodas starts off with the ap advantage and his fear hax
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How is it not the same? Both of them are literally fear aura. Hell Ark is even better due to the fact that his presence froze Valkyrie who could already shrug off mind hax with her own raw willpower.
 
Nicetoderp said:
Dodge, all other that cannot be dodge get bulldoze through Finisher which is shown to stuffed attack with less AP than his.

Rampage Power basically mean that he can tank pretty much everything Mel can hope to dishing out against him.

And the thing is he won't be dodging for long before Mel will be put in a defensive. Hell, nevermind that Mel immediately start the fight off against the opponent far faster than him due to the fact that Vulcan start with Rampage Speed which blitz people far faster than Mel

How is it not the same? Both of them are literally fear aura. Hell Ark is even better due to the fact that his presence froze Valkyrie who could already shrug off mind hax with her own raw willpower.
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Meliodas darkness pillar destroyed an entire kingdom so good luck dodging it. Nnt characters can result some of Gowther’s mind hax with a spirit level above 400 including the countless courageous souls in Excalibur and Arthur himself was paralyzed from the fear of their aura. Their aura effected way more people at once so the potency is higher. Trillion dark is spun around Meliodas to protect him while he FC any non physical attack that kamen throws out(it has been agreed upon that FC works on non physical attacks in other threads and it’s even on his profile) no resistance to soul manipulation and sealing. Meliodas can cover himself in hellbaze and darkness so cqc is not an option at all. Meliodas can just keep nuking the area and Kamen will die.
 
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I don't see how Vulcan can't cover that range. Considering Jin, a Kamen Rider that scales below Vulcan, was able to fly across multiple large mountains with the same size of the mountain in the video in a few seconds. Plus Vulcan has a speed amp on top of that. Covering that range would be light work.

Considering Ark's mind manip is able to legit instantly knock people out due to fear + it can cause fear in androids + inspired fear into people who will-powered out of mind controlling computer chips.
 
speedster352 said:
Meliodas darkness pillar destroyed an entire kingdom so good luck dodging it. Nnt characters can result some of Gowther’s mind hax with a spirit level above 400 including the countless courageous souls in Excalibur and Arthur himself was paralyzed from the fear of their aura. Their aura effected way more people at once so the potency is higher. Trillion dark is spun around Meliodas to protect him while he FC any non physical attack that kamen throws out(it has been agreed upon that FC works on non physical attacks in other threads and it’s even on his profile) no resistance to soul manipulation and sealing. Meliodas can cover himself in hellbaze and darkness so cqc is not an option at all. Meliodas can just keep nuking the area and Kamen will die.
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IxaSaga2 said:
I don't see how Vulcan can't cover that range. Considering Jin, a Kamen Rider that scales below Vulcan, was able to fly across multiple large mountains with the same size of the mountain in the video in a few seconds. Plus Vulcan has a speed amp on top of that. Covering that range would be light work.

Considering Ark's mind manip is able to legit instantly knock people out due to fear + it can cause fear in androids + inspired fear into people who will-powered out of mind controlling computer chips.
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Meliodas has the LS he just has to grab him with clones or darkness or his hands and that a gg and if hellblaze hits his body it’s a gg Meliodas can cover himself with darkness and hellblaze so close quarters is not an option and Meliodas can FC any non physical attack with double the power as agreed upon in other threads.
 
Nelliels said:
Mel winning if Hellblaze hits and Vulcan can dodge it and overpower after a while it seems. Depending on who's more skilled I think I will win.
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A while is a very subjective words in Zero-One verse. Again, amonst the weakest RPL in the series overpowered RPL that can crossed 2x stat gap, analysing new powers in under 20 seconds by having his punch dodge. Vulcan RPL by this point is at least two layers above it since he should be at least Horobi level of RPL.


speedster352 said:
Meliodas has the LS he just has to grab him with clones or darkness or his hands and that a gg and if hellblaze hits his body it’s a gg Meliodas can cover himself with darkness and hellblaze so close quarters is not an option and Meliodas can FC any non physical attack with double the power as agreed upon in other threads.
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Then don't go Close Quarter, Vulcan gun can fire actual bullet as well. Combined with his constant speed amp and flight Mel really can't hit Vulcan in any real capacity. And with RPL his attack will eventually breakthrough his Million Dark as well
 
Nicetoderp said:
A while is a very subjective words in Zero-One verse. Again, amonst the weakest RPL in the series overpowered RPL that can crossed 2x stat gap, analysing new powers in under 20 seconds by having his punch dodge. Vulcan RPL by this point is at least two layers above it since he should be at least Horobi level of RPL.
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Yea but the issue I have is that given all their rpl feats and increases, Vulcans intelligence still seems to less than Mel who's accumulated 3000 years of combat and intelligence. I don't see why them analyzing Hell Blaze would give them a counter to it, and their layers of stat increase won't matter if they get hit by Hell Blaze which is something Mel uses on multiple occasions.
 
Vulcan would just be getting stronger and stronger and not smarter in how he fights. Mels already fought people stronger than him and has won against them as well so I don't see them increasing their stats being the win con that's gonna give them the edge.
 
Nelliels said:
Vulcan would just be getting stronger and stronger and not smarter in how he fights. Mels already fought people stronger than him and has won against them as well so I don't see them increasing their stats being the win con that's gonna give them the edge.
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Also saying he's not getting smarter is one hell of underestimating
 
He's capable of beating people who can predict up to 10 million scenarios per second. Literally every time he's fighting, he has to come up with a strategy that his opponent cannot predict or get out of. At this point of the series, he's a better fighter than Aruto, who in the beginning of the series went from being a person with absolutely no combat experience to mastering all combat lessons of the Zero One System within less than 5 seconds. Hes also a better fighter than Yaiba who's fought against and alongside people who are several times more powerful than her. So yeah, Vulcan is very, very skilled.
 
BERRIES555 said:
He's capable of beating people who can predict up to 10 million scenarios per second. Literally every time he's fighting, he has to come up with a strategy that his opponent cannot predict or get out of. At this point of the series, he's a better fighter than Aruto, who in the beginning of the series went from being a person with absolutely no combat experience to mastering all combat lessons of the Zero One System within less than 5 seconds. Hes also a better fighter than Yaiba who's fought against and alongside people who are several times more powerful than her. So yeah, Vulcan is very, very skilled.
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Yea switching to Vulcan then 💀 . Mels getting outmaneuvered and outsmarted.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
It's already grace, you can requesting this to be removed when the CRT get applied if you want to
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speedster352 said:
Matches cannot be added when a crt is in place
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