10-D Janet and Michael

[Udlmaster]

In the episode "The Good Place: Season 3 Episode 11 'Chidi sees the time-knife", Michael and co. Go to the 10th dimension, to which Michael is very unphased by.

Since they literally go and are in the 10th dimension, I don't think there can be any doubt, they and similar Supernatural beings are 10-D, same with Janet as she casually one shots these Supernatural beings.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Uhmm... Traveling to the 10-D =/= Scaling to 10-D

 

[Udlmaster]

Also, Michael states "Oh, there's a 10th dimension now..." implying there wasn't before, and is in IHOP which was made by the Supernatural beings, so the 10th dimension must have been made by them.

 

[Andytrenom]

Existing in 10 dimensions is not a tier 1 feat. You need to actually be portrayed as infinitely superior to lower Dimensional beings in order to be tiered according to your dimensionality.

 

[Andytrenom]

I also seriously need to catch up to this show

 

[Udlmaster]

Janet casually one shots Demons and has thrashed entire groups of them.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Existing in 10 dimensions is not a tier 1 feat. You need to actually be portrayed as infinitely superior to lower Dimensional beings in order to be tiered according to your dimensionality.

Although that would be true when Ultima's revisions are done, right now that's not the case. And the show has skewed concept of dimensions, because even normal humans were able to actually exist in 10 dimensional space.

 

[Andytrenom]

Have these demons being portrayed as infinitely superior to beings of a lower dimensional level than them?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

For some reason, this made me think of Michael and Janet Jackson. As in this video

 

[Andytrenom]

@Ogbun It wasn't the case ever. Higher Ds always needed evidence of actually transcending lower Ds in the way our Tiering System explains,

if this hasn't been followed for certain characters then those characters' ratings are simply wrong.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Hmm, I thought a tier could be assigned based on dimensionality only and Ultima's revisions aimed to change that.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

my revisions are to bring some light into a backwards standard we use but never speak of

 

[Udlmaster]

Okay, after re-watching "The Good Place" in Season 1: Episode 6: "What we owe to each other" Michael stats that Elinor won't be able to see some of his findings about the Anomaly because she cannot see in 9 Dimensions (obviously talking about spatial dimensions), which proves the Neighbourhood is intact 9-D and that Michael and Janet made 9 dimensional space and they can create Higher dimensional space as shown in Season 3: Episode 11 when it's noted that the 10th dimension was made, to which then both Michael and the Judge manipulate the 10-D space to take them firstly to a Coffee shop (I'm not American and don't know the brand) and then to a board room to discuss their sentence.

 

[Andytrenom]

That might be something actually. Tho Ultima would have to give his opinion since I haven't caught up to the show yet.

 

[Ogbunabali]

They're definitely at least 9D. The "You don't see in 9 dimensions" became sorta like a meme, but the problem is that the show doesn't portray dimensions as infinitely superior to the previous one.

 

[Udlmaster]

Naturally (mostly because dimensions aren't infinitely above each other), but anyway, it's not so much a meme, as while the show is comedy, it's strange and based on what basically is a Sci-fi mix, where it takes about Space-Time, Higher dimensions, non-euclidion space but brashes it off casually, as for these beings, it's no different than specififying that a 10-B is a 3-D being.

 

[Udlmaster]

Ah ha, so in Season 2, Episode 5 "The trolly problem" Michael restates that he's superior to Humans and lists off that he can see in 9 dimensions, showing that dimensions are superior

 

[Andytrenom]

Ah ha, so in Season 2, Episode 5 "The trolly problem" Michael restates that he's superior to Humans and lists off that he can see in 9 dimensions, showing that dimensions are superior

It just means he has capabilities that humans don't possess.

If someone stated that "I can hear things on the other side of the planet" to show off his superiority it doesn't mean people on the other side of the planet are superior to people on the same side, just that the character can do things humans can't.

 

[Udlmaster]

However, that's not a correct analogy, as this isn't a measurement of 3-D distance, this is of Higher dimensional existence, and multiple times over, Michael is called an "All-powerful being", obviously I'm not saying he's Tier 0, but he is objectively superior, and the higher dimensions are shown to be superior

 

[Andytrenom]

The statement isn't evidence of higher dimensions being superior. The point of the analogy is that boasting "I can see in 9-Dimensions" is similar to boasting "I can hear things on the other side of the world" in that they are both displays of sensory capabilities that far outstrip a human and not necesseraliy meant to imply something about the person/persons they're sensing.

You can change hearing things on the other side of the planet to hearing things happening in the past, present and future or sensing things across multiple universe. The very fact that someone would possess these abilities is enough reason to boast already.

What I'm trying to get at is that higher dimensions being superior to lower ones is not at all a requirement for someone who sees in 9 dimensions to think of it as a sign of superiority.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I mean


Janet's realm is on the same level as the IHOP, but the bad place isn't


That being said, Michael's range should be High 1-C prolly

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also, Michael states "Oh, there's a 10th dimension now..." implying there wasn't before, and is in IHOP which was made by the Supernatural beings, so the 10th dimension must have been made by them.

"The MAkers of Light, Darkness, and everything" are the creators of the IHOP


And they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gen, who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Janet>>>Shawn>>>Michael

 

[Udlmaster]

True, if anything the range should be updated. And Janet should be High 1-C as when she is connected to whatever she connects to, she casually one shots everything she's come across and doesn't appear she can be hurt by the Demons when she has connection.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

True, if anything the range should be updated. And Janet should be High 1-C as when she is connected to whatever she connects to, she casually one shots everything she's come across and doesn't appear she can be hurt by the Demons when she has connection.

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Why should Janet Scale? I'm fairly certain Gen is >>>>> Janet

 

[Udlmaster]

Gen?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The Judge

 

[Udlmaster]

It's never stated the Judge is stronger than Janet, it's implied she's stronger than Michael though, as he needed the IHOP to limit her powers so she doesn't instantly neg him.

But the only feats she has is that she judges literally everything and watched lots of shows.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

But why should Janet be High 1-C? She never does anything with the IHOP or fight Gen

 

[Ogbunabali]

Neither should be High 1-C. The show doesn't treat spatial dimensions as infinitely superior to one another, like how a normal 3D human was able to be in a 10D place.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Eh. I'd rather have Gen be downgraded than Janet upgraded honestly. Maybe add a "Possibly Far Higher" for both of them.

 

[Ogbunabali]

"Possibly far higher" should be there, yes I agree with that.

 

[Udlmaster]

No, it obviously treats them as greater than others, as with Michaels statement.


Additionally, Spatial dimensions aren't infinitely above each other, so you can stop saying that now.

Og, you do know beings can move in higher dimensional space, right? They can only move in their axis of movement.

 

[Ogbunabali]

In order to get a rating by being a higher dimensional being on this wiki you need spatial dimensions to be infinitely superior to one another. Feel free to make a CRT if you disagree with that.

Not in that way. A 3D being can't occupy a 10D space as it would be if it were 3D.

 

[Udlmaster]

Firstly, no, there's already been a CRT for infinity above, and you have to be an inaccessible cardinal to gain a dimensional transcendence.

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2309992

Dont like it, make a CRT for it.


And yes, a 3-D can be in 10-D space, they just wouldn't occupy all 10 Dimensions.

For example, every verse with higher dimensional universes and even our own universe.

Our own Universe is supposedly made out of 3 Spatial dimensions and 1 Spatio-temporal dimension, and yet, we exist in this 4-D universe as 3-D beings.

 

[Ogbunabali]

You don't even know what you linked do you?

That thread isn't about dimensions being infinitely above each other, it's about whether being infinitely above a tier would grant you a jump in a tier dimension wise. For example if you're High 3-A and you're infinitely above High 3-A, you would still get High 3-A (3D) and not Low 2-C (4D) if you don't have higher dimensional statement.

Next time please at least read the thread.

And they did occupy a 10D space as a 3D being, that's the problem.

 

[Udlmaster]

"You didn't read the thread did you?


that thread isn't about dimensions not being infinitely above each other, it's about if dimensions are infinitely above each other.

Next time read what your write down because it'll make you look less stupid."


And, firstly, they occupied 3 dimensions of a 10-D space, there is no issue at all, and you're making this non-issue into a stupid point of contention.

 

[Andytrenom]

@Uld Let me get this straight, you disagreed with Ogbun saying dimensions have to be "infinitely superior" because according to you they have to be "an inaccesible cardinal"?

If so that's pure semantics. The point is that the kind of hierarchy our tiering system attribute to dimensions needs to be established within a given fictional setting as well, otherwise the characters can't be rated via their dimensionality. Whether someone uses the term infinite superiority or inaccesible cardinal to talk about this doesnt really matter.

 

[Udlmaster]

Okay, firstly, you cannot conflate Inaccessible Cardinals and Infinitely above, that's literally saying that 3-D and all other higher dimensions are the same distance (in terms of power) from each other.

Infinite =\= Inaccessible cardinal, Infinity is just that, an Inaccessible Cardinal is infinite amount of infinities, infinite^infinite.

So, it's objectively not semantics when it's relevent misinformation being spread.

 

[Andytrenom]

No it's literally semantics, arguing about what specific words someone uses rather than what they actually mean by it.

"Infinitely above" is just how many people here refer to dimensional transcendence, they're not ignoring the difference between countable infinite difference in power and the difference possessed by higher dimensional beings. So how about instead of being bothered that someone isn't using the terms you want, you just focus on their actual argumets instead.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So... is "at least low 2-C possible far higher" okay until the series gives us more solid info on how the dimensions work?