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Currently in a nadir of interest. Not reading my profile or notifications. If there's anything important, DM me.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I didn't deeply read your post since it seems to go heavily into the mathematics in a way that I cannot understand. I only understand the basics of cardinals. But I do still have a response, but since I haven't properly read your thread, I'd only feel comfortable posting it here.

    Philosophically, there's many places we could place the borders for High 1-A and 0. And really, wherever we place them, that decision seems pretty arbitrary. There's a certain function we want the tiers 1-A, High 1-A, and 0 to have in how they operate; but the exact mathematical constructs they end up corresponding to depends on what we equalise layers of transcendence within them to, which seems wholly arbitrary. The only verses for which these arbitrary distinctions make a difference are verses which explicitly invoke cardinals in their cosmology. We could have 1-A+ start at R^R^R^omega instead of an omega-length chain of R^R^R...^R. And we could have High 1-A start at R^R^R^R, and 0 start at R^R^R^R^R, and the only verses that would be changed by our choice are these mathematically-invoking verses.

    Since it barely matters, and I can't understand it, I don't care what happens. Some people have suggested tier 0 being above ZFC, or having High 1-A involve adding new axioms, with 0 involving entirely new logical systems. I really don't care which suggestion ends up going through.
    Cat275
    Cat275
    Alright sir, sorry for bothering you and thanks for taking your time.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    It's no bother at all buddy. Good luck on getting that thread resolved.
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    Hi bro, I just want to ask about the speed of a character,
    Assume A is the FTE of some people's statement, then fight with B.
    B managed to avoid a hit from A which is described as very close, after being calcified using the Projectile dodging feats formula, B got Supersonic speed. After that the fight continued but was still balanced, even though A was initially only FTE still able to balance B who was Supersonic.
    Do you think it makes sense for B Supersonic? Or will A evolve into Supersonic too?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Sounds like it shouldn't really be usable for either.
    Hay bro just wanna ask, is transduality type 2 transcend all duality system???
    Hey,

    I don't know if you remember me, I was active on here about 3 years ago before being banned. Now that I'm unbanned I just wanted to say hi to some of the people I used to talk to. And you were one of them!
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    That sounds about right.
    MICKEYMOUSEUSERNAME
    MICKEYMOUSEUSERNAME
    Speaking of which, how does this new site work? Is there still something resembling a chat?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    It's a fairly standard forum. Different formatting than the wiki's old forum, but there's still likes and topics. A thread can have more topics, but topics aren't innately linked to pages on the wiki. There's some more moderation tools. There's no post limit for threads. There's signatures and shit like that. Those are the most major changes for the new forum.

    There's nothing resembling a chat. There's a wide variety of Discord servers people have made for real-time chats.
    Hello agnaa, i wanna ask something.

    Why do we use separable hausdorf as the limitation between Low 1-A and 1-A??
    RALFdoang
    RALFdoang
    Alright, thank.

    Can i get an external link explaining the largest common space-time size or a crt that disscusing that
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    It's the very thread where Low 1-A was added, where the upper parts of the Tiering System were overhauled, do you want me to try digging that up?
    RALFdoang
    RALFdoang
    Ah, No, i don't want to burding you.

    Anyway, thanks for the time.
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    Hey Agnaa, which verses/sections of verses are you knowledgeable in so I can hopefully make fair matches for you to debate?
    Hello Agnaa, excuse me for disturbing, but what does "fundamentally transcending something" mean if it were to be translated into a number? Thanks.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    She's in a few servers, and I could give you her Discord tag so you can talk to her directly.

    What would you like to talk to her about? I'd like to ask her permission before sending someone her info.
    OnsokunoSonic
    OnsokunoSonic
    Well I just want some elaboration on H1-B without R>F difference.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Alright, I'll send you a PM if she's interested in talking.
    is it okay for me to mention our convo on discord, and how you'd be fine with a "possibly / likely" rating if wider context could be gleaned from the author to show that they are knowledgeable on set theory (Such as a thesis or study)? I want to make sure i fully understand your words as to not twist them.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    A few more specifics:
    • The "wider context" would be the author demonstrating knowledge on particular cardinals, and would cause scaling to those cardinals, if the series has a statement invoking "all cardinals". Not just general knowledge about set theory.
    • I'd still prefer no possibly/likely, but I realise that my case isn't super strong, so I'd understand and wouldn't be too upset if a possibly/likely was given.
    Jibz
    Jibz
    aight aight, thanks for clarifying ill make a comment on this all later, tired asf atm
    YO Agnaa
    Long time no see you!
    No worries, this is a purely friendly question about Tiering systems (specifically Alephs, Low-1A to 1A+) since you're an expert on these things and I wanted to clear my confusion.
    Wiki treats aleph numbers a lot smaller than they really are? Or did I simply miscalculate?
    For the Context and Darkmash seem like agree with me about this
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    I'm not talking about High-1A (it's weird regardless)
    I mean the alephs could have been treated like a lot smaller than they really were.
    Like we treat alephs as "steps/layers' above 1A Baseline
    But it's actually so much bigger than all of those, even just aleph-4
    Example: if we use "correct" definition for alephs and treat it being steps, most 1A+ or above baseline (as SMT cases) will lose their tier, get back to 1A baseline, just slightly higher than "lowest" baseline but all placed in one step (aleph-3 number of objects as points, planets,universes,..., aleph-2 dimensions), even old 3812
    Summary: countable or even uncountably infinite layers of difference between L1A (or 1A or higher if u win) and baseline 11-C doesn't make you higher aleph/tier at all, not even close it
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    So what I think you're saying is that alephs aren't just steps or layers; they completely dwarf what was prior in an increasingly large way.

    My response to this is that most steps/layers of hierarchies in fiction can't really concretely be quantified, so we just equalise them to whatever. Even lower stuff, like the earlier parts of tier 1, can run into this issue, where some verses have the layers mean "10^90x physically bigger", some have it mean "infinitely bigger", some have it mean "sees as fiction", and some have "uncountably infinitely bigger", yet we equalise them all to "uncountably infinitely bigger".

    Or in short, that problem doesn't start with alephs.

    But more than that, if things did operate such that we treated alephs that realistically, any series that invokes even aleph-seven would dwarf every single verse that doesn't invoke such mathematics, which was an outcome people didn't want when they created the system this way.

    The justification that people have for treating 1-A stuff that way, is that each step in 1-A should dwarf the last step in 1-A, the same way that baseline 1-A dwarfs lower tiers, which would definitionally involve a 2^(last layer) sort of relationship, which does correspond to the alephs.

    Those are three reasons that the system is the way it currently is. I hope one of those satisfies you.
    Hello again Agnaa.
    I have a question about the SCP Multiverse having uncountably infinite Dimensions. These quotes specifically;

    Unfortunately, the world is not dynamic. Everything's already over, I've already read it. All of this? It's just going through the motions. This is just a tiny subset of the world at large. I'd call it the 'real' word, but it's just as real as we are in here. The larger space that we're in… much larger, in fact, uncountably infinite expanses in uncountably infinite dimensions… we fill that space. And yet, here, we're discretised. Collapsed into words and nothing more, even if we're something so much greater.”

    And this one “See, sometimes the infinite can be reduced to something simpler. Look here: ÔäÁ0 and ÔäÁ1 and ÔäÁ2 and so on. Simple, yes, but they can each contain the world. You can glimpse it, if you look hard enough. Just breathe in, breathe out. Think about infinity. Not just countable, but uncountable, and the dimension of it goes up into uncountability too. If you think you've really understood it, you aren't thinking hard enough. Sure, zoom past the pitstops. 5, 23, 3333. They're all beautiful, but so horrendously finite. Fly past it all and keep going and going. Minds have died wishing for a fraction of what I can see. So breathe slowly, and think about it.”

    I was trying to find where they originate at. I know they’re found in Acidverse but I don’t know which part. I was wondering if you knew. I already ask Sir Oven but he did not know.
    Hey, are you still interested in scp thing? If you still so, i think this new SCP probably would change the entire L1A to 1A scp cosmology in this wiki. It mentioning further down about "What narrative is, and how it work".

    Also it have "scarlet-king" tag, maybe TSK will have a big jump to 1A.

    If you don't have interest to scp anymore, its okay im gonna ask anyone else.
    RALFdoang
    RALFdoang
    I agree with the new TSK key and no one scale to it.
    RALFdoang
    RALFdoang
    After i read 6747, this scarlet-king has no relation to the old god TSK.

    It's about Dr.King who partially merged with scp-2747 and become scp-6747-C, a strong antinarrative entity stronger than the 2747 itself. In the end of proposal, he become more and more corupt and be the new Scarlet-King then targeting the reader (swann entity).

    Do you think it's still counted as new key for TSK? Or should we make a new profile for this Scarlet-King?.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I was leaning towards a new profile, but Saikou read it and seems to think a key's better. I don't really know.
    An SCP-related question: Why is the battle between the Gods that overturned the Noosphere in the story involving SK considered the final battle between TBD and SK to destroy TOK? Is there a statement/affirmation from author/Another tale/story or simply a headcanon that we put together that explains the problem?
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    I think this (Lapitus's answer) is an avoidance of responsibility, or is it really? This question is also synonymous with the intent to modify the profile (not sure if it's a downgrade or an upgrade), without a scan for why it's a battle between TBD and SK then profile modification is inevitable , this Wiki allows to contain information even without the source corroborating it in the first place ?
    Sir_Ovens
    Sir_Ovens
    What?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    This wiki was a lot looser with evidence requirements in the past. People would only need to provide evidence when changing profiles or when challenged on if something actually happened. Now we're stricter and want that evidence to be there from the start. A lot of the SCP profiles were (maybe some still are?) bad because of people misinterpreting things and not being challenged on them.

    I can't help with the rest of your question.
    I have a question. Does a infinitely sized universe with infinite timelines, realities, and realms qualify for Low 2-C?
    ThePirateKing777
    ThePirateKing777
    I think i see what your saying. So different times of the universe could quality as multiversal in a sense. Even if these said timelines or spacetime continuums are contained within "a greater universe" or something like that?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Well, sometimes fiction does have misleading names like that, where "timelines" are contained within "a greater universe" which would effectively be a multiverse.
    ThePirateKing777
    ThePirateKing777
    Yeah I agree. Thanks for your time.
    Yo~ Just asking, it had nothing to do with fictions.
    Since afaik, is the extension of real number line is it uncountable? I mean being aleph-1 equivalent in set theory.
    GreatIskandar14045
    GreatIskandar14045
    Also I found this pic (a the compactification of real line from 0 to ∞), is this the same infinity? And is it uncountable?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    So for the last question, is infinity () has the same size as aleph-0?

    I have three sorta conflicting ways of answering this, and I'm not sure which is correct, but I'm pretty sure one of them is:
    1. Calculus and ZFC are completely different formal systems. It doesn't make much sense to ask whether one thing in one system has the same size as another thing in another, since they operate under fundamentally different rules.
    2. They have the same size, infinity in calculus is just "A number larger than all real numbers". ZFC takes that concept and then extends off of it using set theory, but the initial "Number larger than all real numbers" it declares is omega, which has a size of aleph-0.
    3. With the way infinity is treated in calculus, it could really be considered equivalent to any infinity in ZFC. Where there appear to be differences is merely because infinity just breaks a lot of stuff, but ZFC tries to find proper ways of handling it.
    Also I found this pic (a the compactification of real line from 0 to ∞), is this the same infinity? And is it uncountable?

    It's very similar, but the difference is that in that pic (of the projectively extended real line), positive infinity and negative infinity are the same. While with the topic of our earlier discussion (the affinely extended real line), positive infinity and negative infinity are distinct. However, it is still not uncountable.
    GreatIskandar14045
    GreatIskandar14045
    I see, thank you very much in advance.
    hey Agnaa
    sorry the bother but can you tell me all the weapons Monica Pinkston can transform/use?
    also why she has high mid- low high regen?
    and how many weapons she can transform at once?
    Sup. Does a character having the same number of dimensions (in his/her existence), as a temporal dimension, equate to Immeasurable speed? Like for example, a character has 7D existence, and the temporal dimension of that verse is also 7D. Logically that should be Immeasurable, since their existence allows them to move along those axes no problem, right?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I have no idea.
    Yo Agnaa, since 2^aleph-1 is literally the power set of infinite^infinite, would it be infinite^infinite^infinite, or (infinite^infinite)^(infinite^infinite)?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    With the weird unnatural way you grouped it, "infinite^infinite^infinite" and "(infinite^infinite)^(infinite^infinite)" would be identical. But by default, exponentiation isn't grouped like the latter, and infinite^infinite^infinite^infinite, by default grouped as "infinite^(infinite^(infinite^(infinite)))" would be aleph-3.

    Also, I'm sure this is what you meant, but just in case, 2^aleph-1 isn't the power set of infinite^infinite, but aleph-1 is.
    GreatIskandar14045
    GreatIskandar14045
    I see thanks answering. So aleph-2 is (infinite^(infinite^(infinite)), right?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Ye.
    Hey sorry for disturb your time, i wanna ask something.

    Does SCP-3125's passive attack can comparable to immeasurable speed?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Because he didn't resist it, 682 was much weaker back then, 3309 just decided that it didn't want to be taken advantage of to remove every anomaly that The Foundation didn't like, so they empowered one instead of removing that. After that, The Foundation did stop using it willy-nilly. Basically, it's not an automatic process, it's the humans on the Swann layer deciding that an article is shit and deleting it.

    If you were to use the feat, it wouldn't just be "resisting EE and plot manip", it would be a far weaker 682 rewriting reality and history to make itself more powerful, and make it so that it was always more powerful.

    I don't know what you mean by "Fundamental Concept".
    RALFdoang
    RALFdoang
    I mean is Narrative in scp is an idenpendent concept just like Noosphere, and manipulating it will get CM1?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I don't see a reason for that to be the case.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I was in some threads about it 2.5-3 years ago but I soon lost interest in debating it. There's just too much lore & shit for me to want to go through, and I eventually wanted to have comprehensive knowledge about verses I continually discuss; I don't wanna be in CRTs for verses with lore I don't care about just because I enjoy the gameplay.

    Also, I haven't actually played dota in over 2 years. I played 2 matches 3 months ago and that's it. Haven't seen the anime (nor do I know anything about it besides that it exists), and haven't played Artifact in 1.5 years.
    Ecstasy_Amphetamine
    Ecstasy_Amphetamine
    too much lore
    That's the opposite of what Valve games have lol. Dota 2 lore is in a limbo right now and the anime isn't really helping us understand a vast majority of what makes up Dota 2's universe.

    Anyways, I understand your lack of interest on it. Stay safe bro.
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Reading 100+ hero bios is not what I booted up my DotA client for, basically. I know it'd end up being less lore than other series I debate, so ig it'd be more accurate to say "Too much lore for how much I care."

    You stay safe too, buddy.
    Hi Agnaa, one question about the Tiering system
    If the page Tiering system explanation has explained and accepted Aleph Hierarchy is equivalent to Aleph 2 is equivalent to Aleph 1's power set (so distance larger than add dimensions)
    So why are the verses using the hierarchy of Aleph numbers like SCP (5800 and acidverse) and Discord (old version and tier) only Low-1A and not 1A+ even though they possess uncountable infinite aleph numbers that apply to cosmology and has been accepted ? Not intending to upgrade (at least for now), just curious how the wiki treats it, I also consulted the Unsong Revision and still think it weird and nonsense
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    Well, the fact that other worlds including these higher planes evolved from the main universe is not quite literal, but instead implies the universe itself is the anchor point of all other worlds, if without a main universe, these would not be "anchored" and vanish to Voru - unreal sea
    "This leads to an important note: our universe is what keeps all other anchored. If ours falls to Voruteut invasion, so do the rest. Escape through Ways is not on option."
    "

    The Voru​

    If one compares the Second Hytoth to an island, then the Voru is the sea of unreality surrounding it. No order governs it. Things defying our understanding pop in and out of being, sometimes lasting long enough to give the illusion of structure. It is possible to briefly enter the Voru — originating in reality grants degrees of stability — but in long durations it is destined for failure. Destabilization will set in, in the best cases causing death or, worse, turning one into a Voruteut.

    The largest opening to the Voru is the Voreik. Deliberate attempts and simple random fluctuations in reality can create further holes, but these stay short lived. Tales of multiverse travelers moving down so many dimensions that they fall out of existence and into the Voru have been told, but the validity of these have been debated. It is the same case with claims of spotting worlds in the Voru beyond the Second Hytoth.

    With these unknowns there is only one certainty: what lies out there cannot be allowed in."
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Yeah but it'd be really weird for each higher existential plane to be a higher infinity, which could casually nuke our universe with no issue, if our universe is the anchor point without which the rest would fall.
    Rabbit2002
    Rabbit2002
    But isn't it also the anchor point of infinite other universes? Things can also easily nuke our universe
    i heard about you from weekly battles. could you help me with scp-953. (i made it. just want you to help me with the speed and lifting strength cause i'm not sure)

    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    I can't be of much help with that since I'm not familiar with the SCP, but I can at least try to get it un-deleted.
    Artorimachi_Meteoraft
    Artorimachi_Meteoraft
    okay thanks.

    could you try.
    Greetings. Agnaa do you know where can I get medaka box light novel?
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    Do you mean where you can order them in Japanese for yourself, or where you can read English translations?
    Secretly_domain
    Secretly_domain
    Yeah, I mean the English translations
    Agnaa
    Agnaa
    You can find the translations for both Good Loser Kumagawa novels here. Medaka Box Juvenile only has a few chapters translated so far, but if you want to get started, it's linked to here.
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