- Well I don't know where you're getting that from so I can't respond.
- Still, saying "Think about uncountable infinity, its size goes up to uncountability as well" is absurdly redundant. I find it absurd to say that dimension means size in that context.
- You said Acidverse's dimensions are "unqualified for the hierarchy", which I took as meaning "doesn't scale to SCP's hierarchy of gods", then linked the CRT where 1-B was removed, which explained it was removed because the statements in question referred to dimensions which likely don't exist, and don't scale to the gods even if they do. I responded to this by explaining that we scale Acidverse's statements to narrative characters, who do scale to them. And to clarify, I don't think higher dimensions = 100% Low 1-A, I think that uncountably infinitely many lower dimensions = 100% Low 1-A, because that's how the tiering system works.
- I think you're misunderstanding the quote. You're equivocating "the world" and "the real world". The quote mentions "the world" twice, and then says that "the world" is far smaller than "the real world", then says infinities can contain "the world", and that if you think about it "the world" seems like nothing.
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Agnaa
Rabbit2002
2/ Also, it's not "think about uncountably infinity" but the whole concept of Infinity, so he said "Not JUST Countable" not "Not Countable" so he didn't mean size of the Real World, but how we think about the Concept of infinity, consisting of different size of infinity and Aleph numbers, not "the greatest infinity". You're misunderstanding the whole sentence and what I mean right now, really.
3/ It is in the OP that Overn also says how that dimensions work differently from the real dimensions actually work, and they also don't qualify with the Hierarchy, And to clarify: I'm talking about Acidverse's Higher dimensions, not God tiers and how they scale to. Uncountable infinite many lower dimensions you say if just uncountable infinite 3D it's only Low-2C or High-3A, The system claims Uncountably infinite higher dimensions with a hierarchy where the Higher dimensions transcend infinitely. achieve with the Lower dimension, or trivialize them as infinitely small or fictional
4/ Two mentions of the World you speak of can also be said to be the place they are in and the listener considers it "The World" and not the Speaker/David (so he says Real World is The World at large and "smaller world" is This instead of "This World"), so whenever he refers to that place later on, he just uses "here" and the first time he mentions Real World it is "The" (meaning that it is the only world in his context and knowledge (other universes, may not be in David's sight, however this does not mean his vision is limited and contradicts the sentence "The minds was died,.." because the whole quote focuses on seeing and understanding abstract mathematical concepts literally, not just the Real World). In fact, he originally called "Real" world "The World at Large" aka The whole world) instead of "A". Honestly, this quote is quite abstract, I'm not sure if I can understand it properly.
3/ It is in the OP that Overn also says how that dimensions work differently from the real dimensions actually work, and they also don't qualify with the Hierarchy, And to clarify: I'm talking about Acidverse's Higher dimensions, not God tiers and how they scale to. Uncountable infinite many lower dimensions you say if just uncountable infinite 3D it's only Low-2C or High-3A, The system claims Uncountably infinite higher dimensions with a hierarchy where the Higher dimensions transcend infinitely. achieve with the Lower dimension, or trivialize them as infinitely small or fictional
4/ Two mentions of the World you speak of can also be said to be the place they are in and the listener considers it "The World" and not the Speaker/David (so he says Real World is The World at large and "smaller world" is This instead of "This World"), so whenever he refers to that place later on, he just uses "here" and the first time he mentions Real World it is "The" (meaning that it is the only world in his context and knowledge (other universes, may not be in David's sight, however this does not mean his vision is limited and contradicts the sentence "The minds was died,.." because the whole quote focuses on seeing and understanding abstract mathematical concepts literally, not just the Real World). In fact, he originally called "Real" world "The World at Large" aka The whole world) instead of "A". Honestly, this quote is quite abstract, I'm not sure if I can understand it properly.
Agnaa
2. All I am saying. Is that if you read that and go "dimensionality = size", it is incredibly redundant to say "There's uncountable infinities, and their size gets uncountable too." The redundancy of that interpretation makes me think it's talking about actual spatio-temporal dimensions.
3. He says that the dimensions as described in that one quote from that one tale work differently from how real dimensions would. And that's true, the disc seems 3-D, but it has 5-D warping, 8-D atomic bending, 18-D proton pulling, 26-D quark crackling, and uncountable-D vectors. This does not make every single statement about dimensions within Acidverse invalid. You cannot use it to disqualify statements from the Acidverse verse page.
4. Him later using "here" is definitely not referring to "the real world". Just before that he says there's a larger space (the real world), that they fill that space, but here (implying a different place is now being referred to) they're discretised.
I think it's also a gross misinterpretation to take him saying "the world at large" and "the real world" as meaning that they're the only world in his context/knowledge. If "at large" and "real" weren't included you'd have a point, but they are, so it has a different connotation.
3. He says that the dimensions as described in that one quote from that one tale work differently from how real dimensions would. And that's true, the disc seems 3-D, but it has 5-D warping, 8-D atomic bending, 18-D proton pulling, 26-D quark crackling, and uncountable-D vectors. This does not make every single statement about dimensions within Acidverse invalid. You cannot use it to disqualify statements from the Acidverse verse page.
4. Him later using "here" is definitely not referring to "the real world". Just before that he says there's a larger space (the real world), that they fill that space, but here (implying a different place is now being referred to) they're discretised.
I think it's also a gross misinterpretation to take him saying "the world at large" and "the real world" as meaning that they're the only world in his context/knowledge. If "at large" and "real" weren't included you'd have a point, but they are, so it has a different connotation.
Rabbit2002
Hi Agnaa, one question
Why 3125 isn't 1A or Low-1A ? I remember it was accepted Here
Why 3125 isn't 1A or Low-1A ? I remember it was accepted Here
Agnaa
Because it was eventually found out that the Scarlet King scales to 3125, which causes issues with recursive scaling. We know that narratives are constructs above the multiverse because 3812's article establishes that it's beyond other god-tiers and constructs in the main narrative; it's a different greater degree of control than higher-dimensional stuff, and it's different from all the other gods The Foundation has seen. But if 3125 scales to higher narratives, and SK scales to 3125, then a variety of god-tiers scale to that as well, meaning that narratives are no longer above the god-tiers we see.
Something has to be cut to prevent circular scaling. Either 3125 doesn't scale to narratives, SK doesn't scale to 3125, or narratives aren't superior, and as such are no longer Low 1-A/1-A. 3125 scaling to narratives seemed to be the weakest link, considering its lack of showings on that scale, the only reason for scaling comes from one statement by a researcher on how big of a threat they believed it to be.
Something has to be cut to prevent circular scaling. Either 3125 doesn't scale to narratives, SK doesn't scale to 3125, or narratives aren't superior, and as such are no longer Low 1-A/1-A. 3125 scaling to narratives seemed to be the weakest link, considering its lack of showings on that scale, the only reason for scaling comes from one statement by a researcher on how big of a threat they believed it to be.
WeeklyBattles
Technically SK isnt the only one who scales to 3125, in cleaning up Mekhane ive found like five tales that put Mekhane on the same level as 3125
Agnaa
Oh shit I didn't know that, thanks for the info.
And yeah, there's other ways to scale 3125 to the god-tiers, such as through SK and TBD's fight overturning the noosphere.
And yeah, there's other ways to scale 3125 to the god-tiers, such as through SK and TBD's fight overturning the noosphere.
Rabbit2002
Also I have proof that Aleph-2 sized objects and onwards exist
They come from SCP-3380, which contextually includes endless recursion, numbers, and even the hierarchy of Aleph Numbers as SCP-5800 contains a cross-link to here and both articles related to 3125 and Fithist. And all these mathematical things are not just Theoretical Mathematical Concepts, they exist as the Very core, the most fundamental structure of everything and the Universe. Thus creating infinite randomness of infinite things
And many other things, any of you want me to submit this for everyone to review?
About Crosslinks
They come from SCP-3380, which contextually includes endless recursion, numbers, and even the hierarchy of Aleph Numbers as SCP-5800 contains a cross-link to here and both articles related to 3125 and Fithist. And all these mathematical things are not just Theoretical Mathematical Concepts, they exist as the Very core, the most fundamental structure of everything and the Universe. Thus creating infinite randomness of infinite things
And many other things, any of you want me to submit this for everyone to review?
I think I've got it. It's in the math. The mathematics of the universe, truly the greatest harmony. Intrinsic. Ever present. I will find my sound, and my comfort, among these numbers, like reveries, veins in the leaves around us. Branching off into infinity. A friend mentioned something about hexagrams, I must look into this further. Infinite randomness and endless recursion… is comforting. To have purpose in this universe would be arduous.
I saw a shape today, some polyhedral thing. Got my head moving, slowly, achingly. I'm onto something, I think. Infinite things show true randomness too. Art can be created from nothing. Maybe it can be created from everything as well.
I saw a shape today, some polyhedral thing. Got my head moving, slowly, achingly. I'm onto something, I think. Infinite things show true randomness too. Art can be created from nothing. Maybe it can be created from everything as well.
I think I've got it. It's in the math. The mathematics of the universe, truly the greatest harmony. Intrinsic. Ever present. I will find my sound, and my comfort, among these numbers, like reveries, veins in the leaves around us. Branching off into infinity. A friend mentioned something about hexagrams, I must look into this further. Infinite randomness and endless recursion… is comforting. To have purpose in this universe would be arduous.
I saw a shape today, some polyhedral thing. Got my head moving, slowly, achingly. I'm onto something, I think. Infinite things show true randomness too. Art can be created from nothing. Maybe it can be created from everything as well.
I saw a shape today, some polyhedral thing. Got my head moving, slowly, achingly. I'm onto something, I think. Infinite things show true randomness too. Art can be created from nothing. Maybe it can be created from everything as well.
Whatever… I don't expect anyone to understand. Calvin and I have been working our asses off on this thing and I- I think it's affecting us somehow; they're telling us to go on a medical leave. Our research and data on SCP-5800 is getting pushed to someone named Harkness, he's got more experience with this than I do anyway.
Shit, I'm getting lightheaded as hell. Right, that about wraps up what's- been uh… happening as of late. Talk soon.
Shit, I'm getting lightheaded as hell. Right, that about wraps up what's- been uh… happening as of late. Talk soon.
Rabbit2002
This also goes for Acidverse, which claims that the world isn't "dynamic" and so it's just "going through motions", doing something without thinking about its importance.
Which in context, This Work clearly refers to the hierarchy of Aleph numbers, numbers and sets of infinities that the World (whether Real World or not) contains, however the nature of those these concepts are much more important than the world, because they can each contain the whole world and compared to them, the world is like nothing
Which in context, This Work clearly refers to the hierarchy of Aleph numbers, numbers and sets of infinities that the World (whether Real World or not) contains, however the nature of those these concepts are much more important than the world, because they can each contain the whole world and compared to them, the world is like nothing
Unfortunately, the world is not dynamic. Everything's already over, I've already read it. All of this? It's just going through the motions. This is just a tiny subset of the world at large. I'd call it the 'real' word, but it's just as real as we are in here. The larger space that we're in… much larger, in fact, uncountably infinite expanses in uncountably infinite dimensions… we fill that space. And yet, here, we're discretised. Collapsed into words and nothing more, even if we're something so much greater.
See, sometimes the infinite can be reduced to something simpler. Look here: ℵ0 and ℵ1 and ℵ2 and so on. Simple, yes, but they can each contain the world. You can glimpse it, if you look hard enough. Just breathe in, breathe out. Think about infinity. Not just countable, but uncountable, and the dimension of it goes up into uncountability too. If you think you've really understood it, you aren't thinking hard enough. Sure, zoom past the pitstops. 5, 23, 3333. They're all beautiful, but so horrendously finite. Fly past it all and keep going and going. Minds have died wishing for a fraction of what I can see. So breathe slowly, and think about it.
Really think about it, and the world seems like nothing.
I hope you've been paying attention.
See, sometimes the infinite can be reduced to something simpler. Look here: ℵ0 and ℵ1 and ℵ2 and so on. Simple, yes, but they can each contain the world. You can glimpse it, if you look hard enough. Just breathe in, breathe out. Think about infinity. Not just countable, but uncountable, and the dimension of it goes up into uncountability too. If you think you've really understood it, you aren't thinking hard enough. Sure, zoom past the pitstops. 5, 23, 3333. They're all beautiful, but so horrendously finite. Fly past it all and keep going and going. Minds have died wishing for a fraction of what I can see. So breathe slowly, and think about it.
Really think about it, and the world seems like nothing.
I hope you've been paying attention.
However, Agnaa also points out that the 5800 things are contradictory because it is five-dimensional, which is clearly not true because of the dimensional hierarchy of the Idealtic space (Concept space contains all concepts, ideas, thoughts. , information, data,...) is based on metrics like "complexity", "abstractability", "corruption", "spreadability". Not actual higher dimensions, which is further aided when even the weakest fodder in SCP-5800 is SCP-5712 which can edit and assimilate Dimensional Mathematical Concepts such as Projections and Dimensions. axis, which expands to any number of higher and lower dimensions, and the reason it's able to do this is because of its influence on Human Noosphere as a much larger entity from Infosphere is in the process of consuming and assimilating all concepts of human Noosphere
And obviously no two concepts can be the same in Idealtic space
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And obviously no two concepts can be the same in Idealtic space
The idea of SCP-3125 being five-dimensional comes from two places, firstly, obsession with the number five (e.g. the Fifth Church, which is retroactively one of its manifestations). Secondly, part of the cosmology I worked out (which Marion refers to in We Need To Talk About Fifty-Five) is that there are two universes - the concrete one, made up of physical objects, and the abstract one, which is made up of ideas. I reckon if you take all possible ideas you can sort them into order according to all kinds of metrics like "complexity" and "abstractness" and "contagiousness" and "corruptibility". If you take all of those metrics together, you end up plotting an n-dimensional space, with ideas occupying points or regions in it. (I guess idea space is probably actually infinite-dimensional, and the facts are much more complicated; this is what (anti)memetic science is all about studying.)
Going further, I figure there could be a sort of ecology in that space - you can imagine ideas being eradicated, falling out of popular favour and being replaced by other ideas. This gives rise to the notion of SCP-3125, which is a sort of prionic infection in this space, which latches on to good ideas and turns them rotten, then spreads… and more importantly has some hostile boundary layer which prevents the idea of SCP-3125 itself becoming known. At the time of writing I have a draft of SCP-3125 in my sandbox which may also kind of clear this up (if it doesn't, let me know, it's just a draft and it'll be about six months before I can submit it in any case).
Going further, I figure there could be a sort of ecology in that space - you can imagine ideas being eradicated, falling out of popular favour and being replaced by other ideas. This gives rise to the notion of SCP-3125, which is a sort of prionic infection in this space, which latches on to good ideas and turns them rotten, then spreads… and more importantly has some hostile boundary layer which prevents the idea of SCP-3125 itself becoming known. At the time of writing I have a draft of SCP-3125 in my sandbox which may also kind of clear this up (if it doesn't, let me know, it's just a draft and it'll be about six months before I can submit it in any case).
Your Last First Day - SCP Foundation
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Rabbit2002
If true, Is 1A+ cosmology in each narrative layer?
Agnaa
I don't see how those 3380 quotes prove that aleph-2 sized and onwards objects exist.
We've already talked over the Acidverse quote.
I don't know enough about 5712 to talk about the stuff involving it.
I don't know how that qntm quote helps things.
We've already talked over the Acidverse quote.
I don't know enough about 5712 to talk about the stuff involving it.
I don't know how that qntm quote helps things.
Rabbit2002
"Thank" you made me realize that this effort is a complete waste of time, both yours and mine.
This will probably be the last time I touch this franchise
This will probably be the last time I touch this franchise
Rabbit2002
Also add this quote About 3330 (not 3380, but it about transfinite, Godel and gay-shit) which I forgot to add, you can check and give your opinion on it if you want
"There is power in the numbers. It's hazy, but I'm getting there. It intrigues me. Surely something in the math, something in the shapes, perhaps? Those shapes… make up everything? This is the core of the universe, yes? This most basic of structures. It has to be what makes up the infinite nature of everything. That true chaos, with beautiful quiet and endlessness. Novel, forever.
But is this truly it? Is it the most intrinsic harmony? Solids are solids, but nature is unpredictable, flowing, eroding. After all, what are we but just entropy? We slowly unwind into our own randomness. Chaos. Beautiful, beautiful chaos."
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"There is power in the numbers. It's hazy, but I'm getting there. It intrigues me. Surely something in the math, something in the shapes, perhaps? Those shapes… make up everything? This is the core of the universe, yes? This most basic of structures. It has to be what makes up the infinite nature of everything. That true chaos, with beautiful quiet and endlessness. Novel, forever.
But is this truly it? Is it the most intrinsic harmony? Solids are solids, but nature is unpredictable, flowing, eroding. After all, what are we but just entropy? We slowly unwind into our own randomness. Chaos. Beautiful, beautiful chaos."
SCP-3330 - SCP Foundation
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Agnaa
I don't see anything of note in that quote.
Rabbit2002
Hi Agnaa, one question relate Canon and the rules about SCP profiles
Sorry to bother you (well, I don't mean to argue at this point, just a question of rules. So don't worry)
How do we treat large "headcanons" differently?
For example, the character Adam El asem from the Kaktus verse (the works of Djkaktus) is completely different and much stronger than the God tiers, including 3125 and the Scarlet King (not the weak version but the Tufto Proposal), in addition he is literally the ruler of them all and the whole God tiers are nothing more than his advisors
However, his entire history, power, personality,.. with his children like Able, Cain, Set is completely at odds with the Djoric verse, and both the context and timeline of events.
So which one will take precedence? Do we need to generate two private keys considering the nature of the scale between the two (also the Kaktus verse includes a hierarchy of narratives like 3812, if it is relevant or necessary)
Sorry to bother you (well, I don't mean to argue at this point, just a question of rules. So don't worry)
How do we treat large "headcanons" differently?
For example, the character Adam El asem from the Kaktus verse (the works of Djkaktus) is completely different and much stronger than the God tiers, including 3125 and the Scarlet King (not the weak version but the Tufto Proposal), in addition he is literally the ruler of them all and the whole God tiers are nothing more than his advisors
However, his entire history, power, personality,.. with his children like Able, Cain, Set is completely at odds with the Djoric verse, and both the context and timeline of events.
So which one will take precedence? Do we need to generate two private keys considering the nature of the scale between the two (also the Kaktus verse includes a hierarchy of narratives like 3812, if it is relevant or necessary)
Agnaa
We'd need to see what those contradictions are, and see if there's any way to make them no longer contradict. If there isn't, we'd find out which exact pages are involved in the contradiction, and determine which of them is more consistent.
Having multiple different keys doesn't seem like a workable option.
Having multiple different keys doesn't seem like a workable option.
Rabbit2002
Hi Agna, some question about SCP
Things like "Existential plane 1 to 2 through Aleph Null and onwards" mentioned in A Hole in Mars are not really universes but rather in broader context and same author (9Volt) they are higher existential planes and they separate from the main universe, all other universes, and all pocket universes/dimensions, in fact all of these are implied to exist in the lowest plane of existence which is existential plane 0
So do each higher existential plane qualify as Low-1C in particular and transcend the lower existential planes or simply similar to other multiverses?
Other than that they have nothing to do with things like Astral and Spiritual plane in the same context, here's the whole thing if needed to validate information
Things like "Existential plane 1 to 2 through Aleph Null and onwards" mentioned in A Hole in Mars are not really universes but rather in broader context and same author (9Volt) they are higher existential planes and they separate from the main universe, all other universes, and all pocket universes/dimensions, in fact all of these are implied to exist in the lowest plane of existence which is existential plane 0
So do each higher existential plane qualify as Low-1C in particular and transcend the lower existential planes or simply similar to other multiverses?
Other than that they have nothing to do with things like Astral and Spiritual plane in the same context, here's the whole thing if needed to validate information
- The Second Hytoth
- Our multiverse. Our universe is the central "hub" for the Second Hytoth, from which all other universes and pocket dimensions and higher existential planes radiate in a fractallic web. To put it into views my fellow human readers will understand, the Second Hytoth is like an island, where our universe is the ground and all other worlds are the trees and grass stretching from it.
Uron-leusan, the Holy Second
Dead
The divine swordsman. On ascension they ripped two swords from space's fabric and plunged them through the higher realms of existence, melding the weapons with entire existential planes. Their strength faded as the aeons progressed but Uron-leusan's skill and utter devotion to combat kept them feared by all the gods.
We regret to inform you that, during analysis of a sample size of your civilization, the following issues and errors arose:
- Insufficient quantities of metaphysical organs within brain structures.
- Deficiencies in third eyes and the lacking of knowledge for third eye-bearers to commence quickening.
- Overreliance on the Thaumatic Body and its vitals for reality alterations to Existential Plane 0.
- The complete lack of knowledge on infovores…
Agnaa
I'm not sure if that's enough to justify the other existential planes as being qualitatively superior. And if most of the stuff in SCP happens in Existential Plane 0, then almost nothing will scale to that statement. But I could be wrong, I'll ask others about it.
Agnaa
Ultima pointed out that the Second Hytoth statement says that all other universes, pocket dimensions, and higher existential planes grow from the main universe, like trees and grass. So they're probably not qualitatively higher.
Just Concepts of infinity, finiteness, things (Hollow water,... in the context of Hub) and possibly much more, the latter may be what only he can see