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Kuma The Tyrant vs Minato The yellow flash

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Minato does not have any speed advantage over Obs Haki+ 40 times speed difference at minimun with Speed of light attacks+ teleport

Touch Kuma? With Haki protecting him and his repulsion? No

Even Minato's teleport can be stopped by predicting that and repulsing the Kunai, Minato can't win, don't start thinking he is the one who "can win extremely easy" with a non existent advantage in the first place

Edit: Also the fact that if Minato win condition is "Ah yes, I am gonna speedblitz this guy who is normally faster than me and hax him" then good job, that is not valid with the speed equalization rules
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So much is wrong with this entire debate.
1. Kuma may have haki but his page is outdated. It's not there. Not our fault y'all overlooked him.
2. Kuma may have a 40times speed difference with projectiles but considering distance and the fact that minato has precog and sage mode not to mention shunshin and teleportation He should have no difficulty teleporting to catch kuma off guard
3. The whole propelling himself with his paw makes absolutely no sense. You've reduced his speed by 40times. He himself wouldn't be able to react to attack when he is propelled coz rel would be too much for him to attack with.

The only way kuma can attack minato would be to try to use the paws and he would never get minato stick coz why? Minato is ridiculously faster than his combat speed. Shunshin is blitz worthy , add that with sage mode and teleportation and I don't see kuma ever having a chance to aim his rel attacks at minato. The worst thing that's gonna happen here is a draw with minato using death reaper seal. If not minato just wears him down with many of his attacks without kuma being able to tag him and then he wins
 
karo_senpaii said:
The whole propelling himself with his paw makes absolutely no sense. You've reduced his speed by 40times. He himself wouldn't be able to react to attack when he is propelled coz rel would be too much for him to attack with.
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Reducing speed does not make him unable to react to his own technique? He already does that in the series, propulsing himself to touch you and BFR, his technique is also reduced the same ammount, so there is no problem for him using propelling
karo_senpaii said:
using death reaper seal
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Which he repels
karo_senpaii said:
him down with many of his attacks without kuma being able to tag him and then he wins
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With him just repelling his own damage and throwing that as a bomb/putting it on Minato as touching the bubble pain makes you take the pain, so with enough bubbles, Kuma can use those as a shield, so gg Minato


karo_senpaii said:
has precog and sage mode
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Ah yes, precog, which is not in his page

This is a stomp for Kuma, simple as that
 
karo_senpaii said:
No one used bfr or sealing as a wincon
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KaydeeX said:
He can pretty much drag Kuma to another dimension and leave him there
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AlternativePrinciple said:
Minato telaports him to an ocean, kuma suffocatesand dies
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karo_senpaii said:
but if he manages to touch him once then I think this would be much easier.
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Kachon123 said:
and even if he does get BFR'd, he can just bring himself back. and i never said wincons even tho sum of them did i said '''argued""
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Kachon123 said:
He's BFRing the barrier's walls away from each other.
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Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Finally, one tap and Minato is 3 days flying
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Ironic asf, pay attention and read the thread first.. and i never said wincons even tho some of them did i said ''argued''
 
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Kircdaaa said:
Ironic asf, pay attention and read the thread first.. and i never said wincons even tho some of them did i said ''argued''
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You're quite disingenuous. Do not tag my comment if you can't bother to read. Touching kuma would allow him mark him and make him able to close their distance immediately which was the point I was trying to make to kachon when he said kuma won't be able to get close.
Only person that actually talked about bfr was kaydeex. The rest people there were talking about bfr for kuma and not minato. You restricted sealing and bfr specifically coz they are minato specialty. Just because the one piece side kept spamming bfr for kuma is not my problem
 
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Reducing speed does not make him unable to react to his own technique? He already does that in the series, propulsing himself to touch you and BFR, his technique is also reduced the same ammount, so there is no problem for him using propelling

Which he repels

With him just repelling his own damage and throwing that as a bomb/putting it on Minato as touching the bubble pain makes you take the pain, so with enough bubbles, Kuma can use those as a shield, so gg Minato



Ah yes, precog, which is not in his page

This is a stomp for Kuma, simple as that
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1. Reducing sol by 40 times makes it 2.5% sol. I don't recognise the 40 times speed amp you were talking about.
2. Wtf? He's gonna repel soul manipulation?
3. To repel the damage he would need to react to it. Minato combat speed far outclasses his, with his teleportation He won't have time for that.
4. It's on his page..Read it

Anyway with haki not on kuma page I see no chance for him winning
 
karo_senpaii said:
You're quite disingenuous. Do not tag my comment if you can't bother to read. Touching kuma would allow him mark him and make him able to close their distance immediately which was the point I was trying to make to kachon when he said kuma won't be able to get close.
Only person that actually talked about bfr was kaydeex. The rest people there were talking about bfr for kuma and not minato. You restricted sealing and bfr specifically coz they are minato specialty. Just because the one piece side kept spamming bfr for kuma is not my problem
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that was not my intention and quite frankly i didnt even know minato could bfr prior to the op thats why i restricted bfr and sealing so it would be more interesting then i saw multiple ppl arguing for it thats why i just removed the restriction, then i must've misunderstood your point since it was quite vague and kachon also talked abt bfr in the same sentence. idc if they're from the naruto side or op side you said no one used bfr or sealing as a ''wincon'' which wasnt my point and sum ppl did use them as a wincon, i said ''argued'' for it. stop being disingenuous
 
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karo_senpaii said:
It's on his page..Read it
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It is not, I searched with Ctrl+F and precog is no where to be found, only in tags, he has no precog in his power section
karo_senpaii said:
Wtf? He's gonna repel soul manipulation?
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He repels damage, he repelled his own memories, his fruit is said "to be able to repel anything" and souls in one piece exist, with Haki he can interact with souls thanks to Big Mom fruit and the Haki resistance to that, is not big strecht to assume he can do that
karo_senpaii said:
Reducing sol by 40 times makes it 2.5% sol. I don't recognise the 40 times speed amp you were talking about.
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I will do the math again then

Edit: Ok, you are right, I was stupid and assume that the speed of the teleport was not nerfed when I said 40 times, the teleport would be 1.6 times faster
 
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karo_senpaii said:
Crazy that someone said this right before you decided you wanted to change the rules at the point of vote counting lol
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that was one person who said that and i did not just change the rule read the thread like i said. multipe ppl were just ignoring the rule and were arguing for it and some using it as a wincon thats why i just changed the rule


not even going further with ts meaningless arguments since you dont even care to read the thread
 
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Kircdaaa said:
that was not my intention and quite frankly i didnt even know minato could bfr prior to the op thats why i restricted bfr and sealing so it would be more interesting then i saw multiple ppl arguing for it thats why i just removed the restriction, then i must've misunderstood your point since it was quite vague and kachon also talked abt bfr in the same sentence. idc if they're from the naruto side or op side you said no one used bfr or sealing as a ''wincon'' which wasnt my point and sum ppl did use them as a wincon, i said ''argued'' for it. stop being disingenuous
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That's wrong. You're the owner of the thread. When you see someone arguing against your rules simply correct them. Don't say "well they broke the rules so I might as well remove the rule". Did it occur to you that people won't take it as seriously because it cannot be added to profiles? Only for them to leave and come back and suddenly see it being added just because you simply "removed the rule" at the end of the debate? Minato is ridiculously skilled in sealing and not once did anyone argue for sealing for minato because the naruto side followed the rules. You removing it at the end just compromised the entire debate.
I repeat, if you make a rule and a particular party is following such rule and then the other party is not and you now remove the rule after arguments are concluded does that sound like a fair match to you?

Kazuma_kuwabara said:
It is not, I searched with Ctrl+F and precog is no where to be found, only in tags, he has no precog in his power section

He repels damage, he repelled his own memories, his fruit is said "to be able to repel anything" and souls in one piece exist, with Haki he can interact with souls thanks to Big Mom fruit and the Haki resistance to that, is not big strecht to assume he can do that

I will do the math again then

Edit: Ok, you are right, I was stupid and assume that the speed of the teleport was not nerfed when I said 40 times, the teleport would be 1.6 times faster
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1. Sage mode is on his profile. I think someone didn't take time to list it's abilities but you can get reference from naruto page.

2. Repel anything is as good a statement as being able to destroy anything. Both hyperbole that need feats. Stick to what are on profiles and on his profile he neither has npi soul type or soul manipulation. Leave out the headcanons. Oh and by the way even people with soul manipulation could not resist it.
Kircdaaa said:
that was one person who said that and i did not just change the rule read the thread like i said. multipe ppl were just ignoring the rule and were arguing for it and some using it as a wincon thats why i just changed the rule


not even going further with ts meaningless arguments since you dont even care to read the thread
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One more time as the thread master your job is to correct people if they break your rule. Not removing the rule after arguments have been made.
The fact you don't see how unfair you made this thread baffles me. What naruto supporter did you see argue for sealing here? They did not simply coz they followed your rule and then you say "naa I'm removing it coz one party did not follow the rules" you're meant to simply disqualify the arguments that didn't follow it
 
karo_senpaii said:
2. Repel anything is as good a statement as being able to destroy anything. Both hyperbole that need feats. Stick to what are on profiles and on his profile he neither has npi soul type or soul manipulation. Leave out the headcanons. Oh and by the way even people with soul manipulation could not resist it.
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He has feats of repelling harder things than souls, as he repelled ghosts, illnesses, memories, etc in the series, so claiming is headcanon when he repelled literally everything intangible you can imagine is a massive downplay from your part, and still, haki interact with soul powers, so combine this too and you don't have any headcannon in the argument


And Haki has more layers, you are using precog not listed? We are using Haki who literally Kuma can use and have shown to use while you are giving him precog which I still don't know where it comes from
karo_senpaii said:
1. Sage mode is on his profile. I think someone didn't take time to list it's abilities but you can get reference from naruto page.
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Naruto, who has no precog listed on his powers🗿

Clairvoyance (Sensed and gained information about the events of the Fourth Shinobi World War from an island that isolates foreign chakra), this is the closest to precog he has

leaving the thread, Kuma needs his profile to be updated and Minato have non existant precognition and "speedblitz" shunshin whatever that is not available by rules, nothing more to say
 
Kircdaaa said:
Kircdaaa said:
as i said for 10x read the thread and stop being disingenuous.


as for the other points ima address them later on
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Kircdaaa said:
karo_senpaii said:
Only person that actually talked about bfr was kaydeex
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Are you being serious right now?
Kazuma_kuwabara said:
He has feats of repelling harder things than souls, as he repelled ghosts, illnesses, memories, etc in the series, so claiming is headcanon when he repelled literally everything intangible you can imagine is a massive downplay from your part, and still, haki interact with soul powers, so combine this too and you don't have any headcannon in the argument


And Haki has more layers, you are using precog not listed? We are using Haki who literally Kuma can use and have shown to use while you are giving him precog which I still don't know where it comes from

Naruto, who has no precog listed on his powers🗿

Clairvoyance (Sensed and gained information about the events of the Fourth Shinobi World War from an island that isolates foreign chakra), this is the closest to precog he has

leaving the thread, Kuma needs his profile to be updated and Minato have non existant precognition and "speedblitz" shunshin whatever that is not available by rules, nothing more to say
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1. He has feats on everything but a soul which is what you need. Please kindly follow rules and stop engaging in unfruitful conversation..if he doesn't have npi soul type or soul manipulation this conversation is pointless.
2. Not sure the relevance of layers here when haki is not on his profile
3. Read profiles, it's not that hard. Shunshin is on every shinobi page . "Statistic amplification". Sage mode is also on his profile..your inability to read is not my problem
 
karo_senpaii said:
3. Read profiles, it's not that hard. Shunshin is on every shinobi page . "Statistic amplification". Sage mode is also on his profile..your inability to read is not my problem
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Read the profile and tell me where is precognition, until then, ignoring you, simple as that <3
 
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Extrasensory Perception

Extrasensory Perception, also known as sensing, detection, or a sixth sense, is the ability to detect energy signatures, matter signatures, or the like near the user. Precognition: Can be used to predict the opponent's movements. Enhanced Sight: Not necessarily like eyesight, however, this...
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bruh
 
Robo432343 said:
minato doesn't use his extrasensory perception for precog
i dont even think he can do that
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Every sage user can bro.
Robo432343 said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Extrasensory Perception

Extrasensory Perception, also known as sensing, detection, or a sixth sense, is the ability to detect energy signatures, matter signatures, or the like near the user. Precognition: Can be used to predict the opponent's movements. Enhanced Sight: Not necessarily like eyesight, however, this...
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bruh
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You like stress. The guy can't read profiles
 
Robo432343 said:
minato doesn't use his extrasensory perception for precog
i dont even think he can do that
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Robo432343 said:
vsbattles.fandom.com

Extrasensory Perception

Extrasensory Perception, also known as sensing, detection, or a sixth sense, is the ability to detect energy signatures, matter signatures, or the like near the user. Precognition: Can be used to predict the opponent's movements. Enhanced Sight: Not necessarily like eyesight, however, this...
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bruh
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Saying that extrasensory acts as precog is the problem in the first place, is not the same power, simple as that

If he was saying "His extrasensory acts as a pseudo precog" or SOMETHING LIKE THAT

Then we would not have this problem nor debate

Or the fact that he is just ignoring everything, but sure
 
Minato not having precog on his profile is definitely an error since he’s a perfect sage
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Kazuma_kuwabara said:
Saying that extrasensory acts as precog is the problem in the first place, is not the same power, simple as that

If he was saying "His extrasensory acts as a pseudo precog" or SOMETHING LIKE THAT

Then we would not have this problem nor debate

Or the fact that he is just ignoring everything, but sure
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He has actual precog dude. You simply can't read or you are under the impression that precog must mean you can fully see the future
 
karo_senpaii said:
Yes precog is under it lmao
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Ok, I now understand the problem

I understood "Under it" literally, not as a subclass of this power

But dude, just tell me that his extrasensory acts as precog, I was literally ctrl-f precog the whole time and I am no seer to understand that you are refering to an especific usage of extrasensory, I have no knowledge of how Naruto works (only kid naruto)) and I just read the page or search an especific power without seeing the subclasses
 
karo_senpaii said:
Are you being serious right now?
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karo_senpaii said:
The rest people there were talking about bfr for kuma and not minato. You restricted sealing and bfr specifically coz they are minato specialty. Just because the one piece side kept spamming bfr for kuma is not my problem
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its irrelevant whether it was the op side or naruto side did my op say bfr restricted only for kuma/minato lol like what?
 
Kircdaaa said:
its irrelevant whether it was the op side or naruto side did my op say bfr restricted only for kuma/minato lol like what?
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All this talk is irrelevant. You don't remove your rules coz people break them. You remove arguments of people that break your rules
 
karo_senpaii said:
All this talk is irrelevant. You don't remove your rules coz people break them. You remove arguments of people that break your rules
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which i fully agree with, and that my fault was ts was my first ever real versus match thread and i should've just asked before removing the rule but since smn addressed not to restrict bfr and sealing since it wouldnt count and then having smn right after still use them as an argument/wincon and many more. i thought there was no need to have that as a rule anymore.
 
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