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Armorchompy

Armorchompy

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  • Do not DM me, do not bump. I see all messages, I'm just not interested in replying to most of them. Feel free to ask for input, just know you're unlikely to get a response. Particularly unlikely to help with LN verses, very debated/popular verses (like the HST) or anything involving tier 1/0 or complex hax abilities.
    Rikimarox2
    Eyo! I'm back yet again. Can't wait for your message wall to be 75% of my messages.

    Anyways, how do we calculate the volume of craters such as these? Most of the calcs I have seen seem to use Spherical cap formula, but even with that, I'm getting wrong results since when applying that formula to other calcs, I get different results.

    Isn't Spherical cap volume (1/3)pi*h^2(3R - h)?
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    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    please report on your findings once you do, I am kinda curious.
    Rikimarox2
    Rikimarox2
    I found this one, which uses spherical cap as well, but the formula is a bit different.

    2/3 pi*r^2 * h

    Using this formula, I got a closer results to the previously sent calc, but not exactly the same. Still in the same range, though.
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    i have no idea man, feel free to use spherical cap for yours tho
    Keeweed
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    Keeweed
    Keeweed
    Thank you so much for both pointing out that size mistake and evaluating the calc.
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    no problem, you're welcome. That said next time you make a blog you should try to explain your logic to the reader a bit better.
    Keeweed
    Keeweed
    I thought the wall square were a bit obvious, but that’s because I played the game. So I will take that into account next time.
    Rikimarox2
    Hee Ho, I'm back, with another question, cuz I suck at math. How do you find the energy of someone busting through a wall? And if that someone is ~3 meters tall? The reference for common feats doesn't really tell me much other than if you made a human-shaped hole in the wall, but that's about it.

    Edit: Actually, I think I found it. I assume we just need to find the height of the destroyed wall, and then its width, and then finds it volume via whatever formula for the shape of the destroyed wall, right?
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    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    Considering it was a charge I don't agree with doubling it, it's technically not the same attack since he takes a few steps between the walls. Rest looks good but you might wanna prefer using an elliptic cylinder's volume formula rather than a normal one since it's a bit taller than it's wide.
    Rikimarox2
    Rikimarox2
    Ah I see, very well then. Third time I'm saying this, but thank you!

    Edit: Though, would using a normal cylinder formula still make the result fine? The elliptic seems rather... weird to me, since I never calculated shit like that.
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    Eh, it's fine to use cylinder too, sure.
    Artorimachi_Meteoraft
    armorchompy there's something i feel urgent to tell you
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    Artorimachi_Meteoraft
    Artorimachi_Meteoraft
    this is what i want to tell you (it's about a match i made)

    just want to show you something justsomeweirdo

    https://vsbattles.com/threads/star-butterfly-vs-atsuko-kagari-3-votes-left.118765/

    does this actually have seven votes (i think i miss calc)

    cause i think i choose someone who voted star as someone who voted akko.

    plus this guy i thought he voted but he just said this

    "At first I was gonna go with Star but Akko's video game meta kinda hit different, so I might have to go with Akko. Maybe there's something out there Star can do but I don't feel like reading through all their spells. I'll just vote according with the arguments you guys brought up before."
    i then said does this mean you voted?

    and he said

    "I'm pretty sure I voted already a while ago and yeah that video game meta is crazy."

    and then i said

    okay. although i couldn't see you officially vote, your saying basically it's implied you voted?

    and then he said

    "Isn't that battle already done?"

    so what should i do now?

    should the battle remain in their profiles?
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    I think it'd be better if you asked a thread moderator. Either way, don't sweat it too much, it's nothing to worry about.
    Artorimachi_Meteoraft
    Artorimachi_Meteoraft
    okay
    Rikimarox2
    Eyo! I'm back again, not with a calc, but with a simple question. How do you calculate the destruction of statues? How do you calculate the statue's volume, etc etc...
    Antvasima
    Hello.

    I would like to apologise if I caused offence earlier. I have been very busy IRL today, and did not have time to deal with the thread further.
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    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    I was not offended, although I still disagree with the closing of the thread.
    Antvasima
    Antvasima
    Okay. No problem.
    Rikimarox2
    I'm ~back~
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    With another shitty calc, to see if its wack. Would appreciate if you could evaluate it! I feel like its wrong tbh.
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    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    Nope, seems good to me. Why did you think that?
    Rikimarox2
    Rikimarox2
    Never did explosions calcs before, and I thought I had to do something with the bat. But I guess I didn't need to pixel scale that bat.

    Also, nice! Thanks for the evaluation! I'm getting one step close to becoming average at math.
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    You really only need to get size from one thing, yeah
    Rikimarox2
    I'm back again with another question, which I hope you don't mind. Probably the last question I'll ask, I'll go annoy the other calc members instead.

    How would you calculate destroying this watch tower in 10 hits? Is there a certain calculation I should be aware of? I already handled the pixel scaling, but I'm not sure what calculation I should use here. The tower turns into fragments, btw.
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    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    No problem, I like helping people learn the basics.

    That said if you're on a PC you can just use paint for pixel scaling, that's what I do.
    Rikimarox2
    Rikimarox2
    And now I'm reminded of how amazing math is when you get the shit right.

    Also, tried it on Paint right now, and damn, that is so much more clearer and better. Thanks!
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    No problem, I used to think it was something really difficult then I decided to do my first calculation and I realized it's actually stupid easy
    Rikimarox2
    Since you are a math lover, I wanted to ask a question. I've checked the reference feat for common feats, and it seems that we don't calculate the height of the barrel when destroying it. Does it just not matter? I'm not good at math and other shit, which is why I'm asking here.

    Thanks in advance!
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    That's just using the stats of a random barrel. If you wanna actually calculate the crate-shattering feat then:
    • Calculate the size of the crate based on the character's height and then calculate its volume (likely as a cube or rectangular prism)
    • Reduce the result by 90% to account for hollowness
    • Multiply it by the fragmentation value of some wood. You could do 90% wood 10% steel if you wanted to be more accurate
    Rikimarox2
    Rikimarox2
    And just like that, I'm reminded why I hate math.

    Assuming I did all this stuff, what if the character destroys two barrels instead of one? Do we just double the result?
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    if it's done in one attack and they're the same size yeah, if they're not the same size you have to do the calc for both and sum the results
    GoldenScorpions
    Hello, Armor. Hope I'm not bothering.
    I'm looking for opinions about estimating the size of a city that gets destroyed in a book, based on various context clues provided.
    Would you mind giving your opinion on here about it?
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    GoldenScorpions
    GoldenScorpions
    Thanks a lot for commenting. I posted the result I came up with; can you comment what you think? Thank you.
    Jamesthetaker
    Hi there, i would like to ask you a question: "Does Makima use mind control first in-character and does she need to activate via verbal command? If so, what about the time when she doesn't start with it against Power?"
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    It's been a while since I read CSM but I'm pretty sure Power just resisted it. I think it might be verbal but I dunno.
    Jamesthetaker
    Jamesthetaker
    Thank you.
    Rikimarox2
    Jackof_noTrades068
    Hello, sorry to be a bother but when you get some free time would you mind evaluating
    Calc 1

    Calc 2
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    Jackof_noTrades068
    Jackof_noTrades068
    Well that wouldn't be accurate to the feat as 1/5th in this specific context applies to land above sea level (Aka the continents of which Europe is somewhat close to being a 5th of that and it while it isnt close to the planets entire surface including below the ocean while the generic calc takes into account everything) also the generic calc doesnt take into account depth as the destruction in this case had the land reorganizing and randomly shifting across nearby continents due to the event. So thats why I chose to calc it from scratch.
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    Alright. Well looking at the calc itself I disagree with vaporization since disintegrated can be as low as Vfrag, maybe even Frag.
    Jackof_noTrades068
    Jackof_noTrades068
    I mean the attack is still heat based which cant really Vfrag or frag things, but I added Vfrag ends anyway now so you can comment directly on the blog now
    Yo, sorry to bother again...
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    I know the mass of the ship, but I guess we don't do the fragmentation of it with Gbe.... Since I know the mass so, which formula should I apply? (Or should I directly multiply the volume by the fragmentation value of the iron steel?)
    KLOL506
    Yo, I redid my floor-bust calc here with a bunch of ends. DMUA accepted the new 90% concrete 10% steel end which is shockingly similar to that of the reinforced concrete high-end.
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    KLOL506
    KLOL506
    Mainly Saejima's tornado and the lightning bolt stuff (Which is actually legit considering it can send characters into having muscle spasms and convulsions and even a Paralyze effect falls in place), but we didn't calc Saejima's tornado, because Summons and stuff.

    Also you should have given the evaluation in the blog comments dummy
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    You think those'll get used now?
    KLOL506
    KLOL506
    Saejima's Tornado is sort of shaky because turns out, his tornados exceed the floor feat by a massive margin (Apparently to make cars fly around hard due to tornadoes it'll go straight to High 8-C and beyond) and is funky like that because schizophrenic RPG tendency of summons, the lightning feat is sorta legit but Ichiban is grounded with his feet so he isn't taking the full energy of the bolt outright to his face. MHS+ lightning summoning is legit tho.

    The satellite feat is totally out of question, cloud splitting alone gets it to Tier 7-6.
    GyroNutz
    Quick calc question. In Kung Fu Panda, there's a feat where a character breaks open a part of the wall of China. Jasonsith calced the feat here, but used cement for the destruction values. However, the wall is made mostly of stone bricks held together by cement, so I think that destruction values for stone would be more accurate, but Jasonsith says something about the stones being cut rather than being natural making them weaker than naturally occuring stone. What do you think?
    Jeune_fou
    Hello! I contact you because you're from the calculation group. I would like you to tell me what you think of a calc I did in this thread.

    Thank you in advance!
    GoldenScorpions
    Hello, I'd like an opinion.

    How do you think calcs and scaling for RTS games should go? Generally, buildings (and sometimes large units) are scaled down from what their real size would be, so they can fit on the screen and not overwhelm.
    For example, in one of them, here's what a house looks like, compared to soldiers. While here is how a city looks like. Obviously, houses (with a floor, at that) aren't that small compared to humans. And cities don't look like and aren't connected like that.
    If it's called a "Large City" in-game, should it be treated as an actual large city for the purpose of stats?

    What do you think?
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    GoldenScorpions
    GoldenScorpions
    Thanks!
    Armorchompy
    Armorchompy
    No problemo. What game is this, by the way?
    GoldenScorpions
    GoldenScorpions
    It's called Rise of Legends. It's a RTS game, a spin-off of Rise of Nations; instead of real-world nations and units, everything is fantasy, with both magic and sci-fi. It has a verse page that I made some years ago, but there's things lacking. So I'd like to revisit it in order to have proper statistics, so the profiles can stay.
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