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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Stefano4444 said:
Looking at the Gru VS Megamind fight, the more time pass and the more i believe the presence Megamind's Minion was trully pointless.

Like he only made a brief appearance and he didn't contribute that much, mostly commenting and only activating the laser.

I feel like that only wasted resources where it could have been used to directly show Gru and Megamind fighting each other, or their minions but directly rather from a camera.

If he was meant to be like Ocaton and Grim, then actual have him do something that matter, if not then just limit him with just a voice without the need to make a 3d model and setting.
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The more you analyze the episode it truly gets worse and worse.
 
Stefano4444 said:
Looking at the Gru VS Megamind fight, the more time pass and the more i believe the presence Megamind's Minion was trully pointless.

Like he only made a brief appearance and he didn't contribute that much, mostly commenting and only activating the laser.

I feel like that only wasted resources where it could have been used to directly show Gru and Megamind fighting each other, or their minions but directly rather from a camera.

If he was meant to be like Ocaton and Grim, then actual have him do something that matter, if not then just limit him to a voice without the need to make the 3d objects.
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If I were to make some changes (note it would involve making the fight slightly longer, but oh well)

Instead of watching the Minions vs Brainbots from the screens, we just have normal shots of them fighting

We then cut to Minion charging the death ray instead of talking. Then everything else is the same, but instead of Gru killing Megamind, Megamind reacts, and their lasers clash and create an explosion that blows them back (Gru is using his own gun here, not Megamind's)

Then the big changes.

We have Megamind use his mech dropped by Minion (aka actually making him more of a support), and then cut to Gru and the Mega Minions have a 5v1 against Megamind, which ends with the mech blowing up.

Megamind calls out to Minion in desperation, who beeps the invisible car, which contains the Metroman suit (another case of Minion being useful). Megamind proceeds to solo the Megaminions and combos Gru into the sky before cratering the ground with a punch.

For the death, Megamind gets arrogant and mocks Gru for challenging him, which gives Gru the time to freeze him with the Freeze Ray. The laser Minion then proceeds to turn the frozen Megamind into a skeleton.

I'm making it so Megamind uses more of his gear and actually does something to Gru instead of being a bum, while also letting Minion shine by being responsible for Megamind lasting longer by giving him his gear.
 
GunshyFever said:
Devils are explicitly stated to be physical concepts. Other than vibes, what about "souls" indicates that? And that is not how verse equalization works. You actually need something to equalize. V.E only works when two verses have similar supernatural systems or mechanics that can reasonably be treated as equivalent. You cannot just say "Hey! this verse has souls and this verse has Devils so they must be equalized!" when they do not function the same way. Souls are usually the spiritual essence of a living being, while Devils in Chainsaw Man are beings born from concepts. Those are completely different mechanics unless the verse gives us a reason to connect them. There is nothing in Chainsaw Man that would logically be capable of being equalized to souls.
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. Do you know where it was said it was physical, Its like equalizing makimas contract to work with gojo even though different japan, contract, president. The existence of a soul is never explicitly denied either,
 
What are some vs scenarios where one character basically turns into Doomguy vs everyone else in a different setting because of specific power interactions instead of just the one person being way stronger? Like how you could drop basically any version of Magneto into Cyberpunk and he'd wreck shit solely off of him countering literally everyone.
 
Thunderman101 said:
. Do you know where it was said it was physical, Its like equalizing makimas contract to work with gojo even though different japan, contract, president. The existence of a soul is never explicitly denied either,
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Makima's contract does not need to be equalized because her contract is not an energy system. It is a specific supernatural binding vow from her own verse that transfers damage away from her and redirects it to Japanese citizens (in her verse).

For souls, you would need to prove that Chainsaw Man has a soul system or something that functions equivalently to souls. The fact that souls are never explicitly denied does not prove that they exist in the continuity.
 
ZeNoviceArtist said:
This probably has to be the lowest, could they really climb back up from this?
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As fun as being a doomer about current DB is, I'll try to be positive and say it's not the end of the world.

IMO, besides GruMind, all the DBs were good at best and decent at worst. It's only the 4th episode out of what, 11 or 12? There's definitely going to be a low point each season but I think they'll be some good episodes in the future, ones that are at least fun to watch.
 
GunshyFever said:
Makima's contract does not need to be equalized because her contract is not an energy system. It is a specific supernatural binding vow from her own verse that transfers damage away from her and redirects it to Japanese citizens (in her verse).

For souls, you would need to prove that Chainsaw Man has a soul system or something that functions equivalently to souls. The fact that souls are never explicitly denied does not prove that they exist in the continuity.
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so denji should be immune to soul manipulation in versus threads because souls dont exist in chainsaw man? pretty sure we wouldnt due that here
 
AcidSilver said:
What are some vs scenarios where one character basically turns into Doomguy vs everyone else in a different setting because of specific power interactions instead of just the one person being way stronger? Like how you could drop basically any version of Magneto into Cyberpunk and he'd wreck shit solely off of him countering literally everyone.
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Litterally Ultron vs most sci-fi franchises
 
Thunderman101 said:
so denji should be immune to soul manipulation in versus threads because souls dont exist in chainsaw man? pretty sure we wouldnt due that here
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No not on this wiki at least. Every verse is assumed to have souls when I do not think that should be the case. It honestly just creates a lot of complications and issues and I believe it should be revised. I am not one to tackle such endeavors though.
 
MarvelFanatic119 said:
IMO, besides GruMind, all the DBs were good at best and decent at worst. It's only the 4th episode out of what, 11 or 12? There's definitely going to be a low point each season but I think they'll be some good episodes in the future, ones that are at least fun to watch.
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There has been 20 indie DB eps. About 3 has been blunders if we are fair. But lowkey I dont think S9 & S10 have anything that low besides JasonMichael, so that prolly hurts image. Last year had a lot of bangers too.
 
GunshyFever said:
No not on this wiki at least. Every verse is assumed to have souls when I do not think that should be the case. It honestly just creates a lot of complications and issues and I believe it should be revised. I am not one to tackle such endeavors though.
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Won't this fall under verse equalization?
 
NotoriouSoda said:
Isn’t that kinda sad? You can’t meet the standards you set for yourself 10 years ago?
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When you had Solid Hitter Animator like Torrian Back then and folks weren't obsessed with "muh references 24/7 it be hard esp when you been doing this for a decade

Being real Indie DB been more consistent on its quality despite a few stinkers but this year it feels like the issues are getting hard to ignore
 
NotoriouSoda said:
Why doesn’t death battle just get with these creators to make an episode? I feel like with resources they can turn out some good shit.
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Depends on if said animators are interested and if there busy or not
We know this guy
Doggo said:



DB really needs to hire this guy, especially when they already showed interest in animating Nero vs Geats
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wants to do Geats vs Nero
And Given Rep among Animators it shouldn't be too hard to do episodes they would be interested in
 
Doggo said:
Won't this fall under verse equalization?
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Mainly no
GunshyFever said:
For souls, you would need to prove that Chainsaw Man has a soul system or something that functions equivalently to souls. The fact that souls are never explicitly denied does not prove that they exist in the continuity.
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It can create unfair results when one verse has an entire soul based power system and the other verse has no confirmed soul mechanics at all. In those cases, the soul based verse gets to use mechanics that the other verse was never written to interact with and defend against. Which makes no sense to me at all.
 
GunshyFever said:
Mainly no

It can create unfair results when one verse has an entire soul based power system and the other verse has no confirmed soul mechanics at all. In those cases, the soul based verse gets to use mechanics that the other verse was never written to interact with and defend against. Which makes no sense to me at all.
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well on the other hand the perosn with the soul based powers kit just becomes useless
 
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