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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

I think what tilts me so much about all this is that all three categories they gave are just utter nonsense if you took a bit of time to even look up what they're capable of:

Arsenal: They neglected to mention any of Megamind's more powerful kit and for some reason equalized them which is annoying because their weapons and tech are NOT comparable at all. Megamind has a serum to replicate Metroman's powers, and a rocket launcher that teleports you to an alternate dimension. You can't just scale them to one weapon (Shrink Ray) and not bring up literally every other weapon that could potentially counter one another's just comes across as biased from the jump.

Minions: Right, this one's just incredibly asinine. Claiming that one brainbot can't handle one minion isn't even true. A whole bunch of them were capable of restraining Tighten for 12 to 15 seconds, or hold back a fallen skyscraper thrown by him; hell, they were even able to fly just as fast if not even faster than him too. Tighten's already a bloodlusted Metro Man who's shoot-to-kill from the get-go so it makes zero sense to give the minions all that scaling but leave practically none for the brainbots. At best, it's very sloppy research, and at worst, it's mendacious.

Skill: This one's pissed me off the most lmao. You cannot claim that Megamind has no skill and compare this to a quick-draw match when you have Megamind literally reacted to Tighten's lasers which put Gru's hypersonic missile feat to shame so why bring up a much less effective one? It's like when they brought up Thor manhandling the World Serpent or neglecting to bring up his one-hit KO (The Godblast) during the Thor vs Wonder Woman episode; he has way better feats than you're showing off right now so why the hell are we not using them? It almost seems like you guys don't want to admit that Wonder Woman could've actually been beaten, even if you capped Thor at frickin' light speed like everyone else in Marvel that you considered at that time for some bizarre reason.

HHcGirzbAAA3aRt


I loathe these reasonings in this category because they're such copouts for an actual argument; when you have a character who has way stronger tech, equipment, and weapons that could annihilate you but reduce their overall experience to that of an idiot, it doesn't make the idiot any less of a threat. It's so annoying but it's particularly worse here since you could only make this argument after downplaying Megamind's attributes beforehand to make Gru seem just as powerful as him, if not even more.

Overall, this Death Battle's research and reasonings is just as good as the quality of the fight animation: Just abysmal and lazy all around. This would be a bit forgivable had they actually given everyone a well-choreographed fight worth watching but it's clearly not that. This is not worth the tens of thousands of dollars they raised in their Kickstarter if this is what they have to show for it lmao.
If I'm being honest, I've always personally felt the whole 'category' thing in the conclusion is bunk. Maybe not in concept, but a lot of times it feels like it's just there to make fans of the loser feel better or something to that effect.
 
If I'm being honest, I've always personally felt the whole 'category' thing in the conclusion is bunk. Maybe not in concept, but a lot of times it feels like it's just there to make fans of the loser feel better or something to that effect.
Ever since they introduced the category thing, I already knew how they could exploit that for their own benefit. It makes it easier for them to cherry pick whatever evidence and information that could come up or to soften the blow overall by giving non-explanations for why X beats Y.
 


Replace Freddy with Bonnie. Or Chica. Or Foxy. Or Toy Freddy. Or Toy Bonnie. Or Toy Chica. Or--

As much as I like FNaF, the only two characters who really fit in a Death Battle are Springtrap and The Mimic
We've had this exact debate before, I don't wanna get into it again. I understand that the og 4 are similar enough to where they could all have the same MU, but like, why would you go for any of them other than Freddy? (At least that's why I would go with Freddy for it)
 


Replace Freddy with Bonnie. Or Chica. Or Foxy. Or Toy Freddy. Or Toy Bonnie. Or Toy Chica. Or--

As much as I like FNaF, the only two characters who really fit in a Death Battle are Springtrap and The Mimic
Also can't the puppet work as well? Or Glamrock Freddy vs Sully? (I would say Golden Freddy but we still don't know who tf is possessing him or what he even does so like not now tbh)
 
That still doesn't explain the lame research in the episode though. 'Gru surviving 4 nukes' being the most egregious example. Not to mention not a single peep about the brainbot's cages, MM's cloning or the stone of transference.
Yeah I think the problem isn’t that they didn’t buy those being wincons for Megamind but that they weren’t even acknowledged. It would be pretty different if they just said “Yeah these wouldn’t have gotten Megamind the win” vs nothing at all.
 
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The big question is how the team will react to this backlash.

Will they retreat into the discord echo chamber more because they can’t handle this sort of pushback anymore, or will they actually acknowledge the criticism and try to rectify these things in the future.
The current season's already in the double digits. They can't or won't rectify jackshit lol. They've been around for decades now so I fail to see what they'd gain by changing up their research methodology again.

At least when they were under Roosterteeth, the production value for the show was among the most consistent bright spots. But now that they're indie and they're scraping by for ad revenue and what's left in the Kickstarter piggy bank, there's really no excuse for them to be having inconsistent quality in their production, fight choreography, and analysis, let alone bad. We're actively getting less quality for the amount of capital that's been invested into the show via the Kickstarter. I don't expect them to suddenly find some integrity and change up a final time to try and be consistent since they've had many opportunities to do so from their 100th episode to their independence from Roosterteeth.

They know that their show creates drama and controversy with every result. It's an easy choice for them to make when they can fudge up the results and make the unexpected character win, especially if you can shove 3 to 4 midrolls and a sponsorship/merch deal in the same video where Thragg beats Yu Narukami or Richtofen killing Jonesy because you know that'll get clicks. It's a view generator, even if it comes at the cost of your core audience's respect and your integrity as the show that puts as much effort into the fight animations as they do for the research on why that character would win in these fanon versus debates.
 
100% correct.

Right now I’m just hoping the cope from the team is funny. And from the response we have it seems they genuinely believe this was the best they could possibly do.

DB research has always been pretty terrible, so I can live with that as a long time fan. But now everything else is tanking so what the **** is there?
 
I still love the “stop treating DB like fanfiction” quote, because DB is, by definition, fanfiction. And I’m not even saying that in a belittling or disrespectful way. Aside from the red vs blue fights, none of the battles are canon or official in any capacity. So they’re using pre established characters and setting that aren’t theirs in an unliscened unofficial fan made web series. It’s fanfiction.

And powerscaling by itself is fanfiction if I’m being entirely deadass. The vast majority of writers and creators aren’t making their characters do things with the idea of how powerful that character is in a measurable way. Why do you think writers get confused by powerscaling questions and mostly just ignore them or tell the asker to **** off?

I highly doubt that Araki was writing the hangedman fight and was thinking “this has to be at LEAST 1500 times faster than light!”
 
I think what tilts me so much about all this is that all three categories they gave are just utter nonsense if you took a bit of time to even look up what they're capable of:

Arsenal: They neglected to mention any of Megamind's more powerful kit and for some reason equalized them which is annoying because their weapons and tech are NOT comparable at all. Megamind has a serum to replicate Metroman's powers, and a rocket launcher that teleports you to an alternate dimension. You can't just scale them to one weapon (Shrink Ray) and not bring up literally every other weapon that could potentially counter one another's just comes across as biased from the jump.

Minions: Right, this one's just incredibly asinine. Claiming that one brainbot can't handle one minion isn't even true. A whole bunch of them were capable of restraining Tighten for 12 to 15 seconds, or hold back a fallen skyscraper thrown by him; hell, they were even able to fly just as fast if not even faster than him too. Tighten's already a bloodlusted Metro Man who's shoot-to-kill from the get-go so it makes zero sense to give the minions all that scaling but leave practically none for the brainbots. At best, it's very sloppy research, and at worst, it's mendacious.

Skill: This one's pissed me off the most lmao. You cannot claim that Megamind has no skill and compare this to a quick-draw match when you have Megamind literally reacted to Tighten's lasers which put Gru's hypersonic missile feat to shame so why bring up a much less effective one? It's like when they brought up Thor manhandling the World Serpent or neglecting to bring up his one-hit KO (The Godblast) during the Thor vs Wonder Woman episode; he has way better feats than you're showing off right now so why the hell are we not using them? It almost seems like you guys don't want to admit that Wonder Woman could've actually been beaten, even if you capped Thor at frickin' light speed like everyone else in Marvel that you considered at that time for some bizarre reason.

HHcGirzbAAA3aRt


I loathe these reasonings in this category because they're such copouts for an actual argument; when you have a character who has way stronger tech, equipment, and weapons that could annihilate you but reduce their overall experience to that of an idiot, it doesn't make the idiot any less of a threat. It's so annoying but it's particularly worse here since you could only make this argument after downplaying Megamind's attributes beforehand to make Gru seem just as powerful as him, if not even more.

Overall, this Death Battle's research and reasonings is just as good as the quality of the fight animation: Just abysmal and lazy all around. This would be a bit forgivable had they actually given everyone a well-choreographed fight worth watching but it's clearly not that. This is not worth the tens of thousands of dollars they raised in their Kickstarter if this is what they have to show for it lmao.
100% this. I haven't felt this annoyed with research in a loooong time, and this is with series that I don't even really care that much about. I can't imagine how heated I'd be if this was the quality of research they gave for GeatsNero or something.
 
Tbh The puppet doesn't really have anything unique except giving life (which isn't really something you can work in a vs match) and controlling the toys if you want to use movie stuff.
She did that scream bs in frights to kill the Agony amalgamation but yeah ur lowkey right.
 
The big question is how the team will react to this backlash.

Will they retreat into the discord echo chamber more because they can’t handle this sort of pushback anymore, or will they actually acknowledge the criticism and try to rectify these things in the future.
DB feels like they want to get bitched at times over than just explain why they came to the choices they made.
I get peeps would still get mad but at least give it than set ya self-up for bitching
 
so far 4 for 4 in predictions. Betting and rooting yuji but will wait for the g1 blog. denji seems to be faster but yuji has arguments for being stronger right?
 
so far 4 for 4 in predictions. Betting and rooting yuji but will wait for the g1 blog. denji seems to be faster but yuji has arguments for being stronger right?
They're probably going equalize speed, both the EM wave feat and the Moon spear feat average at Rel+ speeds. Strength depends on if the they buy the Michigan Sword feat as solely Hax and Not AP.
 
First time in a while I've posted some extended thoughts on an episode, and sadly, I have to preach with the choir that this episode underwhelmed me, though it was the conclusion and not the animation I had the biggest issues with:


So is anyone arguing that GruMind is wrong? Or are we just saying that the way the post-analysis is explained sucks?
 
So if I'm right about this...

Yuji has strength + durability, far better range, a greater arsenal of abilities, dura-neg, poison blood, regeneration that isn't limited by an outside source, soul damage, more experience, and his Domain Expansion,

Denji has speed... and his conceptual eating stuff
 
If they end up giving Denji his Denjichita form somehow, he would actually have greater strength and durability. His regeneration would be capable of negating Yuji's poison, he could afford to clone himself and he would have a speed, mobility and acrobatics advantage, along with an intelligence advantage in trickery and cunning, enhanced senses, instinctive action and Pochitas E.E. If DB also gives him his Devil pawn pouch, he can just start erasing random concepts from existence. I do not think they will but it is funny to think about.

If they do give Denji his Denji-Man form, it can actually go either way.
 
So is anyone arguing that GruMind is wrong? Or are we just saying that the way the post-analysis is explained sucks?
Both. I still think Gru would usually win cuz he starts off with more of his hax wincons than Megamind does, and I think he’s faster than Megamind without the metroman suit or powers, and neither of which Megaminds starts off with, allowing Gru to get in a Freeze or Shrink ray shot before Megamind can hit him with a lethal De-Gun shot. I think that DB definitely bullshitted Gru’s AP and Dura, as well as lowballing shit like the death ray. There are also many people arguing that Megamind wins, which I definitely can see as well.
 
So if I'm right about this...

Yuji has strength + durability, far better range, a greater arsenal of abilities, dura-neg, poison blood, regeneration that isn't limited by an outside source, soul damage, more experience, and his Domain Expansion,

Denji has speed... and his conceptual eating stuff
Yep
To me or Dongus?
You big homie
 
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