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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

Kid named Time Ring:
Which means diddly dick when RF is so incomprehensibly faster than Goku Black that Black would look like a statue in RF's eyes. Like he's so much faster, alongside his ability to think and perceive things at speed beyond Goku Black's comprehension, that he'd have more than enough time to figure out about the Time Ring and get rid of it before it becomes an issue.
 
I didnt wanna think about it... buuut...
  • Vegeta beat Shadow. Good? No. Everyone says they used Archie so its wrong unjustified W.
  • GvS1 had early DB research lol
  • Buu got kinda bad arguments and they used none of good Kirby ones
  • GvS2 lmao
  • Satan beat Dan. Good? (lowkey does Satan actually beat Dan by modern VS standards?)
  • 18 beat Carol. Good? No, they used spin-offs to give wrong hax and everyone thinks Carol is outer so its wrong unjustified W.
  • Roshi vs Jiraiya is only good W they have oh my god
  • Beerus beat Galaxia. Good? Kinda, but I have seen people dislike this ep because its Patient Zero of le multipliers and uni size shit. Also the ep is out and gone and unwatchable fully.
  • Broly beat Hulk. Good? No, core DB fans now hate this and this is probably unironically one of the most wrong eps if we use current logic, so its wrong unjustified W.
  • Black is fed to a ******* Flash lmao
  • Super Vegeta jobs and they nerfed DBS stats.
  • Trunks beats Silver so bad that they made him fight another Silver who stomps stronger Trunks even harder than og Trunks stomped og Silver. Cool
  • Gogeta vs Vegito was neat, right? No, its a same series fight on season with many newcomer seasons, thus its basically Top 2 worst finales in DB history. And in generally not liked. Cool.
  • Frieza beat Megatron. Good? No, modern DB composites so much, many core fans thinks its wrong unjustified W.
  • GvS3 is Goku L.
  • Bardock and Sun Disk ayyy lmao
Like, this is my fanboy bias talking (sorry about it) but like, this shit is dire. And yes other verses have bad too, I could make a list for them too. But that just means its even more ****** up. Hell, a lot of animations here were good. So all of this is meaningless fancope and its utterly meaningless and I should be happy for the good animationd, but it is rough for DBZ in DB ngl. Goddamn Sean is somehow on to sth technically.

Also in future we will probably have Cell job to Clanker, DBS lose to ponies and they will do ZamasuGorr and say "oh boy Gorr is strong but Zamasu is immortal, its actually a debate" only to go "and then Gorr bypasses Zamasu's immortality". Yippeeee
 
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Oh, present as in the one in the fight.
Correct, they were just having Goku Black survive dying in his current time to make things seem a lot closer (also if RF is a living paradox you can kinda argue that happening since he's not naturally in a timeline and thus ALL his actions are alterations in history). Removing that advantage they gave him basically means RF just needs to hit him once with the various hax options for a instant win
 
Which means diddly dick when RF is so incomprehensibly faster than Goku Black that Black would look like a statue in RF's eyes. Like he's so much faster, alongside his ability to think and perceive things at speed beyond Goku Black's comprehension, that he'd have more than enough time to figure out about the Time Ring and get rid of it before it becomes an issue.
He adapts to RF's speed.
 
He adapts to RF's speed.
Except Goku Black never showed any feats of adapting to speed even remotely comparable to a Flash, let alone Reverse Flash. Like the gap in speed between Goku Black and Reverse Flash is so monumental that there's no chance GB's going to close the gap in a fight, especially when RF's a character who will go for his one shot hax right off the bat.
 
I didnt wanna think about it... buuut...
  • Vegeta beat Shadow. Good? No. Everyone says they used Archie so its wrong unjustified W.
  • GvS1 had early DB research lol
  • Buu got kinda bad arguments and they used none of good Kirby ones
  • GvS2 lmao
  • Satan beat Dan. Good? (lowkey does Satan actually beat Dan by modern VS standards?)
  • 18 beat Carol. Good? No, they used spin-offs to give wrong hax and everyone thinks Carol is outer so its wrong unjustified W.
  • Roshi vs Jiraiya is only good W they have oh my god
  • Beerus beat Galaxia. Good? Kinda, but I have seen people dislike this ep because its Patient Zero of le multipliers and uni size shit. Also the ep is out.
  • Broly beat Hulk. Good? No, core DB fans now hate this and this is probably unironically one of the most wrong eps if we use current logic, so its wrong unjustified W.
  • Black is fed to a ******* Flash lmao
  • Super Vegeta jobs and they nerfed DBS stats.
  • Trunks beats Silver so bad that they made him fight another Silver who stomps stronger Trunks even harder than og Trunks stomped og Silver. Cool
  • Gogeta vs Vegito was neat, right? No, its a same series fight on season with many newcomer seasons, thus its basically Top 2 worst finales in DB history. And in generally not liked. Cool.
  • Frieza beat Megatron. Good? No, modern DB composites so much, many core fans thinks its wrong unjustified W.
  • GvS3 is Goku L.
  • Bardock and Sun Disk ayyy lmao
Like, this is my fanboy bias talking (sorry about it) but like, this shit is dire. And yes other verses have bad too, I could make a list for them too. But that just means its even more ****** up. Hell, a lot of animations here were good. So all of this is meaningless fancope and its utterly meaningless and I should be happy for the good animationd, but it is rough for DBZ in DB ngl. Goddamn Sean is somehow on to sth technically.

Also in future we will probably have Cell job to Clanker, DBS lose to ponies and they will do ZamasuGorr and say "oh boy Gorr is strong but Zamasu is immortal, its actually a debate" only to go "and then Gorr bypasses Zamasu's immortality". Yippeeee
Bro when the DB character wins, but the opponent tickles the DB character's ballsack during the fight so the whole video is no longer good
 
Let's not forget another reason GvS2 is hated, is it was released just before DBS got going and it arrogantly assumed Goku wouldn't gain new feats to truly shake up the Dragonball scaling meta (even if Goku got stronger and got new forms he still has limits), enter Beerus Vs SSG Goku shaking U7 in early DBS which was a far more impressive feat than basically anything they showed for Superman in GVS2 and the powerscaling community erupted!

Ofc SSG Goku still loses to No Limits Man but the feat retroactively made an already disliked episode into a powerscaling quagmire for Death Battle rep, I mean we're still memeing about the Sundisk for a reason lol! (S4 of Invincible teasing it did help tho).
Wasnt back then also the idea that Goku couldnt access god form by himself? Also whether he kept it, cuz we had just movies back then
 
  • Satan beat Dan. Good? (lowkey does Satan actually beat Dan by modern VS standards?)
Dan in Street Fighter is both in gameplay and lore meant to be a weak joke character, depends what you count on their feats more impressive


  • 18 beat Carol. Good? No, they used spin-offs to give wrong hax and everyone thinks Carol is outer so its wrong unjustified W.
  • Roshi vs Jiraiya is only good W they have oh my god
  • Beerus beat Galaxia. Good? Kinda, but I have seen people dislike this ep because its Patient Zero of le multipliers and uni size shit. Also the ep is out and gone and unwatchable fully.
  • Broly beat Hulk. Good? No, core DB fans now hate this and this is probably unironically one of the most wrong eps if we use current logic, so its wrong unjustified W.
They also pointed its wrong now, although on the assumption back then it was good, which it wasnt either
  • Frieza beat Megatron. Good? No, modern DB composites so much, many core fans thinks its wrong unjustified W.
They gave Megatron nearly nothing given how they scaled dragon ball for a while now
 
Most likely yeah, even in the stance of 'Dan hurt so-so meaning he one shots' it's entirely in character plus likely that he just makes himself lose on accident
Dan has no win over anybody, just Sagat and thats a known fact Sagat threw it, for the fact of feeling pity, he is a Ryu rival and whom actually matched him in power too, till Ryu grew stronger as of SF5
 
Also in future we will probably have Cell job to Clanker, DBS lose to ponies and they will do ZamasuGorr and say "oh boy Gorr is strong but Zamasu is immortal, its actually a debate" only to go "and then Gorr bypasses Zamasu's immortality". Yippeeee
My boi Piccolo have no Ls(ignore him), so is all good 🤧 (he won't appear in the show tho, It is kinda of a waste)
 
Part of me wants to have Cell beat Metal as defiant act of no longer using modern VS bollocks.

But I know DB wont budge so Clanker should clank the bug :V
I would be pissed if Cell beat Metal Sonic because Metal Sonic is the hardest counter for Cell out of all of his possible matchups. Even if you assume that the two of them are equal or even that Cell is stronger than Super Neo Metal Sonic for whatever reason, Metal will just copy all of his powers including his stats and add them on top of his own massive arsenal of abilities. Even worse, Super Form characters can just negate OP regen as shown by the Solaris fight.
 
I would be pissed if Cell beat Metal Sonic because Metal Sonic is the hardest counter for Cell out of all of his possible matchups. Even if you assume that the two of them are equal or even that Cell is stronger than Super Neo Metal Sonic for whatever reason, Metal will just copy all of his powers including his stats and add them on top of his own massive arsenal of abilities. Even worse, Super Form characters can just negate OP regen as shown by the Solaris fight.
Yeah, but Cell has experience! Thatll beat stats and hax, trust the process :^)
 
I would be pissed if Cell beat Metal Sonic because Metal Sonic is the hardest counter for Cell out of all of his possible matchups. Even if you assume that the two of them are equal or even that Cell is stronger than Super Neo Metal Sonic for whatever reason, Metal will just copy all of his powers including his stats and add them on top of his own massive arsenal of abilities. Even worse, Super Form characters can just negate OP regen as shown by the Solaris fight.
Metal Sonic "copying powers" genuinely doesn't matter at all unless he's done that to basically everyone in the verse. Even if it did, we have everyone on this site stomping Ditto because they have more experience with those powers than it does. Also Solaris's regen comes from the fact that he's everywhere in time.
 
I say this as someone who has Cell as one of their favorite villains of all time, he should get shit stomped by Metal Sonic and I'm not accepting anything aside from that.
I want to respect KratosAsura haters because modern VS sucks, so using that based logic, 99% of fiction is wanked, and thus Cell has more valid scaling while Metal requires bit too much benefit of doubt.

...With that said DB will use modern VS logic, and thus Metal SHOULD stomp considering stuff they have allowed. I will repost my Metal glaze meme likely in future lol
 
Metal Sonic "copying powers" genuinely doesn't matter at all unless he's done that to basically everyone in the verse. Even if it did, we have everyone on this site stomping Ditto because they have more experience with those powers than it does. Also Solaris's regen comes from the fact that he's everywhere in time.
The difference is that Metal consistently shows that he immediately does master these abilities to the same degree as the user unlike Ditto and also he's actually a genius fighter unlike most Wild Pokémon or hell, most Pokémon in general so that's a terrible comparison.
 
I want to respect KratosAsura haters because modern VS sucks, so using that based logic, 99% of fiction is wanked, and thus Cell has more valid scaling while Metal requires bit too much benefit of doubt.

...With that said DB will use modern VS logic, and thus Metal SHOULD stomp considering stuff they have allowed. I will repost my Metal glaze meme likely in future lol
A lot of Sonic wankers seem to forget that Metal Sonic basically requires a Composite for anything cool, and even then his feats are split between Classic and Modern... and Boom.
 
The difference is that Metal consistently shows that he immediately does master these abilities to the same degree as the user unlike Ditto and also he's actually a genius fighter unlike most Wild Pokémon or hell, most Pokémon in general so that's a terrible comparison.
Ditto does that too, and many high-level Trainers use Dittos.
 
I want to respect KratosAsura haters because modern VS sucks, so using that based logic, 99% of fiction is wanked, and thus Cell has more valid scaling while Metal requires bit too much benefit of doubt.

...With that said DB will use modern VS logic, and thus Metal SHOULD stomp considering stuff they have allowed. I will repost my Metal glaze meme likely in future lol
I mean even if I do slightly agree that Modern VS is janky at the best of times, Metal is super clear cut. He's equal to Sonic, Sonic has a literal **** ton of feats and scaling to Tier 2 shit, ergo he slaps Cell who doesn't have anything like that unless you really wank him with Toei Anime Only Stuff.
 
I mean even if I do slightly agree that Modern VS is janky at the best of times, Metal is super clear cut. He's equal to Sonic, Sonic has a literal **** ton of feats and scaling to Tier 2 shit, ergo he slaps Cell who doesn't have anything like that unless you really wank him with Toei Anime Only Stuff.
Outerversal DB. Trust the Plan
 
I mean even if I do slightly agree that Modern VS is janky at the best of times, Metal is super clear cut. He's equal to Sonic, Sonic has a literal **** ton of feats and scaling to Tier 2 shit, ergo he slaps Cell who doesn't have anything like that unless you really wank him with Toei Anime Only Stuff.
He doesn't scale even close to modern Super Sonic. Does he even scale to Post-Forces Training?
 
Like goddamn, DB loves to give niche one off items, so Metal gets really stupid. He gets Emeralds, Master Emerald and Phantom Ruby. ****, Crossworld gives him extra 100 rings for fun too, not that he needs extra time. Hell, just give him the insta kill move from Battle, might as well lmao

I mean even if I do slightly agree that Modern VS is janky at the best of times, Metal is super clear cut. He's equal to Sonic, Sonic has a literal **** ton of feats and scaling to Tier 2 shit, ergo he slaps Cell who doesn't have anything like that unless you really wank him with Toei Anime Only Stuff.
He does, but he is Sonic. DB core fans dont want to give Sonic 4D scaling. Truly fair.
 
Like goddamn, DB loves to give niche one off items, so Metal gets really stupid. He gets Emeralds, Master Emerald and Phantom Ruby. ****, Crossworld gives him extra 100 rings for fun too, not that he needs extra time. Hell, just give him the insta kill move from Battle, might as well lmao


He does, but he is Sonic. DB core fans dont want to give Sonic 4D scaling. Truly fair.
Ah yes, the biases. How could I forget those?
 
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