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Eh nah? Don't even need outerversal stuff tbh... they are just way too Haxy, and Reactive Evolution in specific just... counters everything they can trow
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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Eh nah, that is VERY one sided... the very concept of "evolution" between both series is already apparent on the power creep between forms
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No... Masaru one shots fiction i'm afraid, the Original Saitama
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I never, ever let go of a grudge. They didn’t deserve to win the first time.
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Your info's out of date, I'm afraid. 99% of a Pokemon's development comes from their training, not through evolution.
Ethan for example has himself a fully evolved Starter Pokemon by around the 4th Gym. From there, he beats the remaining 4 Gym Leaders, defeats Ho-Oh, trains until he can solo the Elite 4, solos the Elite Four, defeats the Champion, beats 8 more Gyms and defeats Mewtwo all without his Typlosion evolving any further. And that's assuming he doesn't touch the Battle Frontier or a single rematch. All these steps are not minor upgrades for one another, they're just the main steps on a whole journey. Pokemon are not stronger because they "evolve more".
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In Digimon evolution and training are one and the same, so, same thing ig
Digimon evolution isn't really the transformation to another stage, they passively grow, grow further via their emotions, constantly rewriting their Data structure to get stronger, faster, etc, with training as well
"Evolution" emcompasses all the ways a Digimon can grow, no matter what a Digimon does, living in of itself will make them "evolve" further, usually to stronger states, like, Zero-Maru while he was an Adult level, constantly soloed Perfect stages simply cuz Taichi trained him very well, bare in mind... Perfect stages are near godlike to Adult stages... and Ultimate Digimon are so ridiculous in terms of power that their mere existence treatens to destroy the Digital world and they are said to be Gods in the perspective of lower stages... and Zero-Maru casually defeats them even after evolving to just Perfect level all because Taichi trained him well enough
I know of the gap you were talking and the way Pokemon grow, Ash's Pikachu is a good example, it is just that... that has that up to 11 + many, MANY other factors to their "evolution"
They can legit will themselves to resist their God trying to erase them just because they want to live enough, and then keep going to get stronger after that... Pokemon is far more "grounded" in that aspect imo
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Lies, everyone knows the EXP gain in GSC is hot garbage
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also i soloed Fire Red by simply overleveling every Pokemon i had, i never evolved them... JUST FOR FUN!!!!!
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Same with Pokemon.
How little respect for Pokemon must you have... to think they can't do that too?
And Yggdrasil wasn't actively trying to erase everybody, he basically spread a disease that was causing it.
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Pokemon's evolution is static compared to Digimon's, and that's just a fact.
Really, when has Pokemon ever been able to resist Arceus' power, even just the avatars? Digimon via evolution could contend with Yggdrasil 7D6 and Omegamon X in X-Evolution even managed to affect True Yggdrasil with All-Delete.
But hey, you'll continue to deny facts because that's just how you are; how you're not banned yet is beyond me.
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You haven't managed to retain a single thing I've said so far, so all I'll bother with mentioning is that Rei literally defeated Arceus.
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I wonder if Pokémon fans can solo their accusations
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If we're going to talk about evolutions from a thematic standpoint, Digimon does mog in that category. A lot of the time evolution in Pokémon is treated like a push, showing not just a growth in power but also the bond between mon and trainer, but Digimon does the same thing. But what really gives it that push in my opinion is how these Digimon grow in response to an aspect of their partner. Take for example Tai and Agumon, when they recieved the Crest of Courage. At first Tai believes courage to just mean forgetting about fear entirely and charging in recklessly, and while that does provide a massive power boost, it only brought ruin in the form of SkullGreymon. However, after learning true courage is still acknowledging one's own fear but still fighting on, it provides an even greater boost that strengthens the connection between himself and Agumon.
I just think this is real thought provoking and teaches a more powerful lesson.
I just think this is real thought provoking and teaches a more powerful lesson.
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“Pokemon doesn’t really focus on evolution” “OMG DIGIMON DOES EVOLUTION WAY BETTER”
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Evolution as in "defined in the series as the same as when they change into higher forms" evolution?
Yeah? Like... Pokemon can't just... will themselves to resist something, or absorb the very essence of the oponent to gain all of their powers and change their whole anatomy to reflect that, or revive themselves back to life and gain a new form that unleashes all their inner potential just because they said "i want to live" really hard
Or evolve so much that they can stand against their God's powers and say "no" to it, to the point it not only doesn't affect them, but becomes part of them
I am not lacking respect, not at all... it is just that you didn't showed me anything that says otherwise, so i just have to assume they can't as i haven't been shown otherwise
No, he was actively trying to erase 99% of all Digimon, that just triggered a spread of the X-Antibody/X-Particles cuz Digimon developed it in order to survive
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also we can do goofy stuff like turning a Cat, to a hot Angel, and then a furry Dog Dragon:
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Weekly, you believe that Ragyo beats Lusamine, don't you?
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Because everything you've said is pure BS.
As for Rei, the Arceus that was "defeated" was just testing them to see if they're worthy; they weren't trying to kill Rei so nice job omitting context.
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Nope.
That was the one from completing the Pokedex, not their rematch in Eternal Battle Reverie.
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You mean the thing that's explicitly a dream, hence the name and you being able to access it from your bed in Jubilife?
Arceus also calls the Eternal Battle Reverie another test so that just goes against your point even more.
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Dreams are just another reality in Pokémon, Arceus was clearly making it happen, and it was actually a challenge.
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Didn't I JUST tell you that training is way more important than evolution anyway?
Neither can Digimon.
No, he wasn't. He only created and released the X Program.
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No, they're not. They're just dreams because otherwise, we would have already seen what you're saying in either the games or anime.
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Evolution is a Platonic concept in Digimon so yes, Digimon does do evolution way better than Pokemon has ever done it.
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"Dreams are real in DC Comics??? Then why didn't Superman go to Earth-2 when he fell asleep???"
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There's explicitly a realm for dreams in DC, though. That's the whole point of The Sandman.
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I think Nick went over her in worst mothers video, one of those is beating her daughters and to one of them being too loving with...
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1) its not anything of sort, its a fanservice series by made by trigger
2) Only Ragyo was doing outrageous stuff, others didnt do anything of sort
You really like to give your opinion on a series you literally didnt even watch in your life and give wrong description as always, keep it to yourself
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Yes, same with Pokemon.
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I mean I think Pokémon, despite Nintendo's best efforts, is better than Digimon, but I ain't making it a four page ordeal that stopped being about scaling two pages ago.
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They wont do it. Sad.
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Yeah? And i said that imo, Digimon concept of evolution just pushes harder to power creep than Pokemon's... the topic wasn't about power ups, but about "evolution" in both series
I literally showed you the scans showing that yes they can, if you want to say otherwise... well, say your arguments for it... else there is nothing much to say other than "yeah they can"
Which actively erased all Digimon affected by it... aka, he actively erased them
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It's a classic for Megaten matchups, though I don't know where Lucemon should scale nowadays, idk if the Digimon profiles are up to date
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I ain't really a fan of these three series, but this matchup is cool asf
Have they announced any release date yet?
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