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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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I think the real question is how trap cards are even gonna work. Turns don't exist in the Pokemon anime so what, is Yugi just gonna throw out literally every card he has at once or something?
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Friendship? Loyalty? Tbf I wouldn't even mind that since I prefer Ash's pikachu to something like Dark Magician
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I know they will use Cosmoen to support it, but Yugi did do this apparently.
Thanks for the tip 4Chan.
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I will say Yugi has direct feats, scaling and lore to the the YGO god tiers at least while Ash relies on far more leeway as well as borderline One Piece levels of scaling chains to reach similar levels in Pokémon.
It's honestly gonna come down to which verse has the bigger cosmology and how much of it do the OG protags to scale them.
Even with IDWs more "grounded" power levels (still miffed that the D6 got to get buffed by the Chaos Emeralds but legacy characters like Knuckles, Tails, Amy, etc can't utilize the individual emeralds due to likely Archie PTSD or something). Eggman had a tier 2 creation/prep time feat, the ability to scatter your atoms into another dimensional plane with spacial displacement trap, the Metal Virus which not only mutated over time but overcame Shadow's disease immunity, etc.
It's honestly gonna come down to which verse has the bigger cosmology and how much of it do the OG protags to scale them.
Yeah one my favourite onscreen/panel feats is Zavok tipping Angel island (while he was amped by a Chaos Emerald) which was at least H6-C iirc but can potentially reach higher if you buy Sonic's Earth being much much bigger then ours (similar to OP and HxH world's).
Even with IDWs more "grounded" power levels (
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His dark magician literally went on from being dead to be with Atems guardian from 5000/3000 years to the modern age As a spirit.
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Not really no, I did a count and yugi has more, even with the taurus herd taken into account
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Eh, fair. I'm just saying this because I like cute looking stuff
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Ash's only scaling to the Creation Trio caused by Cynthia blocking one attack by Palkia once and basically nothing else? You can say that Dialga and Palkia has universal AP when they use their creation powers but even in the Darkrai movie where they're trying to kill each other it's only that specific city that's being erased while the wide universe seems to be fine.
Also if you really want to give Ash the Creation Trio scaling then you kind of need to address the elephant in the room that is the meteor anti feat for Arceus. The feat doesn't apply to Arceus as a whole but Ash only exists within the anime continuity where that anti feat should very much still apply. A lot of Pokemon scaling on this site relies on using the various types of Pokemon media. Scaling someone who only exists within the anime to a Pokemon's feats that only happened in a different continuity seems very sketch.
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To be fair, that's Yugi with a Duel Armor, specifically the blue Eyes armor. He is quite literally fused with blue eyes white dragon in that sceneI know they will use Cosmoen to support it, but Yugi did do this apparently.
Thanks for the tip 4Chan.
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If they allow Masters scaling then he scales to people who have fought, beaten, and captured the creation trio
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That anti-feat doesn't even work in the same movie its from as Arceus just waking up shakes the entire universe he's in and causes Dialga and Palkia to lose their shit.
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Yugioh has confirmed infinite universe, infinite timelines per universe, and a higher dimensional afterlife and yugi directly scales to and wields the goda that created it
The confusing part is separating the original trilogy series from the AU that happens post 5Ds, because everything after 5Ds and the movies is a different canon
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It also doesn't help ash that yugi has bullshit levels of 'i win' powers via destiny draw and the millennium puzzle the former of which leta him draw whatever cards he needa to win whatever situation hes in and thenlatter of which makes him supernaturally lucky proportional to how dire the situation he's in is..
That couple's with having like 40 cards that cause instant death and multiple ways to give his monsters infinite attack power...
That couple's with having like 40 cards that cause instant death and multiple ways to give his monsters infinite attack power...
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Leave Ending the losing streak to me
Shouldn't let that dead weight come back for the favored Devil Hunter
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Also the argument of ash stealing/destroying yugi's cards gets invalidated by the fact that he just...doesn't need them. His monsters are an extension of his own soul, he doesn't need cards to summon.
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Wait, I just realized in the rundown, that for some reason they think Dante’s sealing is location specific? Where did they get THAT from?
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What counter would Ash even have for this? I don't recall his Pokemon showing resistance to something that just doesn't let you attack.
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That's the thing, he doesn't have one. In yugioh stuff like this would.be countered by spell cards but ash doesn't have any so he's just stuck for three turnsWhat counter would Ash even have for this? I don't recall his Pokemon showing resistance to something that just doesn't let you attack.
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And Yugi has multiple ways to do this too, Magician's valkyria, metalhold, and marshmallon with the marshmallow glasses can all prevent the opponent from being able to declare attacks
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What, like an item or power that could resurrect him?
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I try to avoid it as best as I can because the agenda-pushing is frankly insane.
I do completely get people from the outside claiming the wiki has an agenda, but it's generally on a verse-by-verse basis; and even then, plenty of verses have warring factions within it when it comes to scaling. Not the hivemind claim I see plenty making.
Fair.
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Also, this card hard counters stuff like gengar, as in the anime the swords have the added property of fully negating the powers of 'evil creatures' (fiends and zombies, the latter or which includes ghosts).What counter would Ash even have for this? I don't recall his Pokemon showing resistance to something that just doesn't let you attack.
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People arguing that Gengar is some big ace against yugi only to learn that everything he can do is shutt that PaniK, the ParaDox Brothers, Marik, and Bakura all tried before and failed
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I have gotta agree. As a person who was neutral to the match-up, it was quite the eye-candy. It also prevents any rewatch from being Tainted from an undesirable result.
I just feel bad that some nightmares for the DMC side came true (particularly the speed scaling, although I am aware of the blackbox implying higher).
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Death battle isn't new to this. Remember Ben
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Oh I know that, I'm just wondering how Ash is going to die if he ends up being the loser of the next episode. Though I'll doubt it'll be anything like how Hal killed Ben or anything like that.
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Ash is probably gonna be given a disintegration death
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Not even, it's a major part of yugi's character and powerset that his cards are not only an extension of himself, but that they share an unbreakable bond of trust and faith in each other. It's the entire reason why Yugi's version of Destiny Draw is so strong, because he has absolute faith in every single card in his deck, and he is fully willing to put his life on the line for every monster in his deck just as they are for him.
That and Dark Magician was Yami's closest friend and literally sacrificed himself to turn into a monster so he could stay by yami's side for thousands of years
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Either make it respectful to ash and his mons or just make yugi seem like a tyrant and just shadow game his ass
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Ngl it's funny that twt argued that ash has a stronger bond while not watching ygo
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They're either going to do a 'stand tall, you were strong' moment or reference kaiba's meme death from the toei anime
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I mean, didn't a bunch of pokemon also cared for ash despite ash not knowing them I think it was the mewtwo movie
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I mean out of context it seems that way, since I don't think most people talk about that aspect of yugi when discussing him at all from a casual viewing point
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