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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

This is Hiei Vs Sasuke all over again where my perfered character won but the reasoning, scaling and conclusions is so dubious, it feels like the other character should've won instead (also I truly believed Dante had this in the bag).

Like there was no mention of Dante's supernatural senses, his own reactive evolution/AD was kinda hand waved away, that anti-magic gun from Beryl was just forgotten, etc. I agree the team likely decided Clive should win beforehand (in a vacuum) and tried to make it feasible even if it ment cherrypicking research and ignoring clear context (as @XXBenShapiroXx said a reverse of Bayo vs Dante lol!).

9/10 for the animation, voicing acting, music and dynamic choreography but geez this should've been an easy 10/10 if the research was more consistent (even then unless the lore book and mobile game massively buffs Clive's hax next year, I literally don't believe he can put Dante down permanently with EVERYTHING in the devil hunter's arsenal) and the finishing blow wasn't weaksauce.

Hyped for Ash Vs Yugi, I hope it's worth wait!

Also @MintyBoi1 and others don't fall for the obvious ragebait.
 
Since I didn't get the chance to do so with Blade vs Buffy, I'm going to write my thoughts on Dante vs Clive (be for warned, it's going to involve a lot of me rambling and a metric **** ton of words) which I will divide by three categories: Analysis, Fight, and the Research/Results.

Analysis: I think the analyses for Dante and Clive were very solidly written and got to the point of what these characters represent, which is to be expected since I think DB's writing team has consistently hit it out of the park in this regard. But I think I want to highlight Dante's analysis in regards to how the seemingly death of Vergil caused Dante to fall into a major depression as seen in the Devil May Cry Animated Series, where the only joy he had at the point was killing demons until he learned of Nero's existence in DMC 4 and took on the role of being his uncle as Dante started becoming genuinely cheerful and happy again. I can't say much about Clive's analysis since I never played FF16, but I thought it was pretty solid nonetheless and I can tell Clive's a pretty well written protagonist

Fight: Outside some blunders in the form of the killing blow, this is without the doubt the best episode in terms of pure action and choreography this season, and it easily rivals Bowser vs Eggman and Kyle vs Simon as being my favorite episode of the KS era. Some of the positives include how Torrien gives Dante and Clive the chance to show off their most iconic abilities and weapons without being forced in and how it replicates the over the top and stylish action of Devil May Cry and FF16 while not neglecting the choreography and tightness when they start clashing blows. But I think what this episode does wonderfully (something that I WISH shit like Kratos vs Asura did) is how it escalates the intensity of the fight, going from Dante and Clive in their base forms clashing with their swords to them fighting in space in their Sin Devil Trigger and Ifrit forms respectively, ramping up the scale and making people guess who's going to win in the end. Yet as I said earlier, the killing blow really felt like a firecracker coming off the fireworks show that was the rest of the fight which really surprises me since everything before that was very awesome. Nonetheless, the fight was amazing.

And finally, Research/Results: I think the research and the results were.......fine, I guess? To start with the positives, I think the stats they gave Dante and Clive were pretty reasonable without wanking or downplaying the other (though for the speed section, why didn't they scale Dante and Clive to the speeds at which Mundus and Ultima could create universes? Given that, to my understanding, Devil Energy and FF Magic directly correlate with stats like strength and speed, they could've just said Mundus and Ultima scale to the speed of their creations which thus Dante and Clive scale to in return. If they could scale Kratos to Helios by covering his eyes, I don't this would be any more complicated), and I can understand why Dante and Clive would be dead even in hax since it's all very similar to each other without any of them having one particular ability that gives them a clear edge. But I think the endurance argument was pretty ass in my opinion since, while I do agree with the fact that Dante's better regeneration requires him to have enough energy, I don't know where they got the proof that Dante's higher forms last only a couple minutes when I'm pretty certain it's much longer than that (and, even then, I'm pretty sure that Dante has methods of acquiring more energy as the fight progresses). I think a better justification for arguing Clive's win would be to pull a Kyle vs Simon and say that Clive's RE would allow him to grow more powerful then Dante until it taxes Dante's energy based regeneration due to how much more powerful Clive becomes.

But all that aside, and to conclude this word salad of a short essay? Dante vs Clive was worth the wait in my opinion and, outside some flaws which bog down the final product, is an episode which Torrien cooked beautifully. I'd give Dante vs Clive a solid 9 to 9.5/10, with it not being a ten because of the quirks of the fight and questionable decisions done by the research.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Holy shit, this is just Ryu vs Jin

Generational fight animated by Torrian with banging soundtrack, underwhelming ending, and poor research
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Good to know more agree on this too

Hence why after Kazuya comes back and maybe 1/2 more characters show up Jin deserves a run back against Rock Howard
 
Gyra1524 said:
I'm being entirely honest, some of you are severely pushing when it comes to the death. Sure, it could have been better, but y'all are trying to make it out to be a Mitsuru Vs Weiss-level death when it's not that bad.
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The death was mainly Kyle vs Simon demon edition really than Ryu vs Jin 2.0
 
Gyra1524 said:
I'm being entirely honest, some of you are severely pushing when it comes to the death. Sure, it could have been better, but y'all are trying to make it out to be a Mitsuru Vs Weiss-level death when it's not that bad.
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Just think the timing’s a bit off, but Dante being melted to nothing was cool
 
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ShakeResounding said:
Ah yes, the same Dreamy Bowser that had untold reality warping abilities that then tried to brute force his problems away even after knowing and acknowledging he had said powers💀

Sorry to the DMC chads, I really thought you guys were gonna pull that W.
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Tbf, alot of video game character boss with reality warping powers tend to do the same thing, I think kirby bosses are an example of one.
 
Mario people when they have 5 uni feats vs Sonic's over a dozen uni or higher feats.

And yes I still agree with Low 2-C Mario, but if this place doesn't like the feats, I can't argue with that... But there's a ******' reason Sonic has been tier 2 for the longest time, and that reason is that Modern keeps. on. putting. out. uni. feats.
Dravec said:
Name one universal feat from Sonic that doesn’t rely on Solaris wank (no one scales to Solaris btw).
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Oh and um... nobody in base form is scaling to Solaris. Super forms are scaling to Solaris.
vsbattles.fandom.com

Solaris (Game)

Solaris (ソラリス, Sorarisu?), the Sun God, is the final boss of Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). Originally a living flame, Solaris became unstable and was split into two halves during the Solaris Project; a research program at the behest of the Duke of Soleanna, who envisioned Solaris as enabling them...
vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
Profile for proof(Base folks aren't tier 1 RN)

But I'm the goober making Eggman 2-C physically, so... I'm not exactly the shining standard of not-ridiculous stuff lol
 
I stopped watching Sonic Prime after S1, did they ever put an asterisk on Sonic literally causing and being at center of explosion that split universe into 5 universes?
 
TMaakkonen said:
I stopped watching Sonic Prime after S1, did they ever put an asterisk on Sonic literally causing and being at center of explosion that split universe into 5 universes?
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They actually expanded it by showing Shadow's perspective.

Sonic literally just facetanks it on-screen after practically ramming into it, and he then reappears in The Void moments later; unconscious but practically unscathed.
 
Steve1775 said:
Tbf, alot of video game character boss with reality warping powers tend to do the same thing, I think kirby bosses are an example of one.
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Oh absolutely, just having some fun.

Oh and as for my take on the Death Battle, they did the DMC folks filthy with that FTL shit and I expected Dante to practically no-diff (not from personal scaling, just vibes). Insane.
 
Gyra1524 said:
I'm being entirely honest, some of you are severely pushing it, when it comes to the death. Sure, it could have been better, but y'all are trying to make it out to be a Mitsuru Vs Weiss-level death when it's not that bad.
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Its basically that hollow purple scene in JJK, why not pull the scene with Clive standing up with the opponent fried like chicken behind them
Tipper17 said:
The death was mainly Kyle vs Simon demon edition really than Ryu vs Jin 2.0
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Nobody says the death was similar to it, the idea behind it is having an overall good battle and music along that having a lame killing blow, on top of not so good research
 
Tipper17 said:
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You know I use to actually think that Kratos vs Asura wasn't that bad and people were just overreacting, but after a couple of rewatches and comparing it to other episodes this season....it just astounds me that it ended up being one of the most mediocre and disappointing episodes I've ever seen when it should'v easily been a 9/10 at the bare minimum.
 
Does the wiki also count Black Doom's Radical Highway Zones as T2 feat?

Not like it matters, DB buys highend Mario stuff more than Sonic. Maaaybe Shadow beats Mewtwo nowadays and thats a maybe.
 
The_Unknown_Warrior1 said:
You know I use to actually think that Kratos vs Asura wasn't that bad and people were just overreacting, but after a couple of rewatches and comparing it to other episodes this season....it just astounds me that it ended up being one of the most mediocre and disappointing episodes I've ever seen when it should'v easily been a 9/10 at the bare minimum.
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I hate to be the one to say it but this showed that as far as DA has come, he's still got a long way left to go.

There's a huge disparity between him and Torrian, and that's nothing to be ashamed about, Torrian was hired by big name studios to work for them, but DA was a comedy animator first and foremost.

I hate to compare them, but Dante vs Clive is everything Kratos vs Asura should've been, and that's largely in part due to the talent involved

I hope DA levels up when he comes back, I'm looking forward to seeing him push himself
 
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TMaakkonen said:
Does the wiki also count Black Doom's Radical Highway Zones as T2 feat?
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Oh, the Doom Zones?

Iizuka-san stated directly that Black Doom, and I quote, "creating alternate-dimension areas" but we don't count it as a direct Tier 2 feat because their size are never outright mentioned.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Least-obvious Redditor tourist.
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Funny coming from the clowns on this website. You buffoons have no right to be pointing fingers when your entire website is riddled with errors and everyone outside of it mocks you. Even reddit is better than this sorry place.

And no, no one scales to Solaris. They straight up couldn’t beat him, Sonic even said so after the fight. Hell, DURING the fight Shadow says they can’t stop his form but only his consciousness. I don’t blame you for not knowing since you obviously never played the game since it’s trash, but you could at least watch the cutscenes.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Oh, the Doom Zones?

Iizuka-san stated directly that Black Doom, and I quote, "creating alternate-dimension areas" but we don't count it as a direct Tier 2 feat because their size are never outright mentioned.
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Wasnt Doom Zone the red looking transformation of White Space?

Tbh thats one of secret VS scaling problems no one talks about. Even if its a small spacetime, its still 4D construct, and thus should be superior to any 3D feat if you allow 4D objects overcoming any 3D object.

Like, imagine if there was a 2D Object that is 1 trillion KM in height and 1 quadrillion KM in length. Should a normal 3D human be infinitely superior to that? What the hell is the answer?
 
Dravec said:
Funny coming from the clowns on this website. You buffoons have no right to be pointing fingers when your entire website is riddled with errors and everyone outside of it mocks you. Even reddit is better than this sorry place.

And no, no one scales to Solaris. They straight up couldn’t beat him, Sonic even said so after the fight. Hell, DURING the fight Shadow says they can’t stop his form but only his consciousness. I don’t blame you for not knowing since you obviously never played the game since it’s trash, but you could at least watch the cutscenes.
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Gonna need you to log off for me big dog
 
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