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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)

It's crazy bro when you look at OPM s1 ya think that was going to be how future seasons gonna look yet here we are
If you knew about Madhouse's rep (at the time of S1), there were hints OPM wasn't gonna maintain that standard. Folks complain about Demon Slayer being carried by the animation but at least it maintains consistent standard in terms of animation and content release (episodes, movies and games) even with the manga over.

OPM is just a mess with the web comic > manga > anime adaptation chain, the OPM manga/web comic retcon plus pauses and ofc S3 of the OPM anime "starting" with yet another recap episode (only ATLA and Re:Creators can get away with recap episodes otherwise they need to die out imo).
 
OPM is just a mess with the web comic > manga > anime adaptation chain, the OPM manga/web comic retcon plus pauses and ofc S3 of the OPM anime "starting" with yet another recap episode (only ATLA and Re:Creators can get away with recap episodes otherwise they need to die out imo).
They should have made a special recap like S2 had instead of doing episode 1 as a recap
 
As anxious as I am to see him on, I'm personally fine with the wait, cause frankly, Death Battle is historically really bad at writing hotheads, or really any good guys with attitude.
This is true

Anyways welcome to these threads
 
About Naruto vs Luffy, does Naruto have anything against Supreme King Haki instant incap?
 
About Naruto vs Luffy, does Naruto have anything against Supreme King Haki instant incap?
Between social influencing and supernatural willpower, you can argue Naruto can resist being instant incapped but still be affected with a headache. Depends what you buy with Vs equalisation.
 
Man, in doing my research into RubyMaka I guess the writers must have anticipated people calling BS on RWBY beating the Ace Ops because they spent the episodes after that clarifying that not only were the AceOps holding back, their teamwork wasn't even as good as it normally was.

Two whole separate instances of in-universe sources telling us that they shouldn't scale. This show's writing is something else.
 
Man, in doing my research into RubyMaka I guess the writers must have anticipated people calling BS on RWBY beating the Ace Ops because they spent the episodes after that clarifying that not only were the AceOps holding back, their teamwork wasn't even as good as it normally was.

Two whole separate instances of in-universe sources telling us that they shouldn't scale. This show's writing is something else.
You...havent watched thew show have you? They explicitly state multiple times in the show that the Ace Ops were actively trying to kill Team RWBY. The only one who was holding back was Marrow, and the Ace Ops dont have a Soul Eater-esque 'get stronger while fighting as a team' power system, all of them individually are Small City level.

Harriet even tried to murder Qrow

Team RWBY 100% scales to them, if you think otherwise you are horribly misinformed
 
You...havent watched thew show have you? They explicitly state multiple times in the show that the Ace Ops were actively trying to kill Team RWBY. The only one who was holding back was Marrow, and the Ace Ops dont have a Soul Eater-esque 'get stronger while fighting as a team' power system, all of them individually are Small City level.

Harriet even tried to murder Qrow

Team RWBY 100% scales to them, if you think otherwise you are horribly misinformed
Show is telling me otherwise. So either Marrow is a grown-ass man unironically going "nuh uh" to a bunch of teenagers like a whiny sore loser, or he's telling the truth. None of his team members refute what he said. Am I not supposed to take what the series is showing and telling me as truth?

Like, I know that's what you do with Soul Eater, but I'm trying to do my due diligence.
 
Completely earnest here, what is the source for that? I can only judge from what I'm being told by the RWBY wiki since I can't exactly track down every supplementary material for the series and going off of that alone it says they transfer from host to host through touch. If you have a video, panel or passage from a book or something I would legitimately like to see it.
The book that the Chill is introduced in, as well as one of the comics where they actually show a Chill doing exactly what Im describing.
Respectfully, I disagree. That's not how it's been shown in similar Death Battles with verse equalization. Let's take Gojo vs Makima for example. If we are given this argument you say, Makima would then immediately know that to kill a Sorcerer permanently and to stop his regeneration she'd just need to blow his head off with her technique that she knows can bypass his Infinity. Batman would have known immediately how Black Panther's Vibranium suit worked or that Tony could do the entire fight remotely. Darth Vader would have been able to immediately know exactly how Obito's entire power system worked(hell they even BSsed Anakin by just saying 'well the force would exist in the normal vs sense, but Obito's dimension wouldn't have it for... reasons. Despite the Force existing everywhere). Unicron would have known that Galactus couldn't be beaten by his own Ultimate Nullifer even if he possessed it.

But let's be fair and look at ones that could serve that argument:

Jonathan vs Tanjiro: Literally it's just breathing. Not exactly a very nuanced thing to figure out. They both take big obvious breaths before doing their cool anime moves. Tanjiro could figure out that the Hamon is breathing based, but not that is also harnesses the power of the sun unless Jonathan does a typical Jojo speech (which he honestly probably would and honestly the 'power of the sun' part is the least important in this matchup.)

Apocalypse vs Black Adam: Both can read minds. Simple as. They don't spend the fight watching each other's abilities and draw conclusions they both just straight up read each other's minds and histories.

Reverse Flash vs Goku Black: Eobard is straight up a genius of time travel and immortality through time travel. He'd have all the incredibly specific knowledge he'd need to pick out the Time Ring on GB. Also as stated on the show, he could just read his mind (because Reverse Speed Force) to find out as well.

Verse equalization does not give blanket immediate verse knowledge outright. That's not how the show portrays it at all and it'd change so many matchups if it did.
She does not NEED knowledge of Maka's abilities. It would still work because thats a tactic she does in her own verse, she doesnt know that it would sever the Resonance but it would still happen as a byproduct of hr fighting the way she fights normally.
My guy almost everything in Soul Eater is a soul-based ability. Their thorns poisoned Maka and BlackStar's resonance with their weapons. There's even visual given of their poison in the gear that serve as Resonance between Meister and Weapon. This is basic visual storytelling.
I aware.
And to assume Ruby can just insert her Aura into their Soul Resonance is flimsy logic because we've only seen one person that can put their Aura into another thing with their power, and it was Pietro. And he even says that it saps his own Aura to do so, which is why Penny could have permanently died after his last rebuilding of her. The only other showing is Ren back in Volume one probably using his Aura to explode a Grimm with a touch, but Grimms don't have souls to put an Aura into so even then that's not evidence.
...mon frere there are tons of people with that ability in RWBY. Just from Semblances alone Jaune, Ren, Gillian, Shion, Edward, and Vermillion all have this ability, and to build off of your Ren example, Fox also demonstrated the ability to make Grimm explode through internal Aura damage. Hell, going by Pyrrha's showing and description in episode 6 (As well as our current RWBY profile and the RWBY wikia's page for Aura), literally anyone with Aura can insert it into another person or object.
And in case we forget, it wasn't like Crona permanently stopped Maka and Soul from resonating ever again. They did so easily once Crona dropped him after Maka got her Hunts off and forced Crona to hide away in the Asura ball to let him take over.
Not sure what this has to do with anything here but okay.
 
Show is telling me otherwise. So either Marrow is a grown-ass man unironically going "nuh uh" to a bunch of teenagers like a whiny sore loser, or he's telling the truth. None of his team members refute what he said. Am I not supposed to take what the series is showing and telling me as truth?

Like, I know that's what you do with Soul Eater, but I'm trying to do my due diligence.
He is yes. Watch the show, thats his entire character.

Not sure what youre implying there.
 
He is yes. Watch the show, thats his entire character.

Not sure what youre implying there.
Then you have an entirely different understanding of his character than the wiki itself and others do. You can't just brush that off as a lie when he's not proven wrong and presented in-universe as telling the truth.

As for the other stuff I'll go into more detail when I get back from the office. VS debating isn't more important than my job, after all.
 
Man, in doing my research into RubyMaka I guess the writers must have anticipated people calling BS on RWBY beating the Ace Ops because they spent the episodes after that clarifying that not only were the AceOps holding back, their teamwork wasn't even as good as it normally was.

Two whole separate instances of in-universe sources telling us that they shouldn't scale. This show's writing is something else.
Death Battle: "Lets wait till the show ends, providing better feats likely as it goes"

RWBY:
 
As for the other stuff I'll go into more detail when I get back from the office. VS debating isn't more important than my job, after all.
Weekly:
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If you knew about Madhouse's rep (at the time of S1), there were hints OPM wasn't gonna maintain that standard. Folks complain about Demon Slayer being carried by the animation but at least it maintains consistent standard in terms of animation and content release (episodes, movies and games) even with the manga over.

OPM is just a mess with the web comic > manga > anime adaptation chain, the OPM manga/web comic retcon plus pauses and ofc S3 of the OPM anime "starting" with yet another recap episode (only ATLA and Re:Creators can get away with recap episodes otherwise they need to die out imo).
To be fair, Demon Slayer story is more on the harmless side rather than outright bad, it has lots of flaws and isn't particularly deep, but it does have heart and emotion when it comes to the characters and motivations, which help carry the story forward (a lot of stories tend to have deep worlds and lore, but tend to forget the characters are who the audience see the story through). Said simplicity and such character focus also make it an extremely good starter anime for people to get into the medium.

But, uh... what's going on with One Punch Man? Troubled production of the anime aside, I've been reading around that Murata is deviating heavily from One's Web Comic, that stuff like Cosmic Garou's fight was manga only, that there's this minor ninja bad dude who got an entire arc dedicated to himself where he got some weird parallel world abilities (Noticed because I've seen scalers use him to argue Tier 1 OPM), something that also wasn't in the manga. And also... what's the deal with redraws? Murata just retcons older chapters, as in takes on the old one and uploads a new revised one?
 
@TartaChocholate For some reason Murata keeps retconning a bunch of his chapters to make them not canon and reset from like 50 chapters prior. The first noteworthy retcon was during the Garou vs Saitama fight, where we were going to have them talk to each other and cool off, but either due to fan backlash or whatever, he deleted that scenario entirely and gave the god form fight that we got instead. The ninja dude who can jump to a higher realm or cut cause and effect or whatever also got retconned to oblivion to where it just doesn't happen. Legit it's the most baffling decisions I've seen from a Mangaka. I don't recall any other Manga series do anything like this and it makes it hard for anyone to try and care when the stuff we read is likely just gonna be decanonized.
 
Iirc technically until its printed, none of the OPM manga chapters online are real releases. Its why Murata keeps doing redraws since he is perfectionist.
 
@TartaChocholate For some reason Murata keeps retconning a bunch of his chapters to make them not canon and reset from like 50 chapters prior. The first noteworthy retcon was during the Garou vs Saitama fight, where we were going to have them talk to each other and cool off, but either due to fan backlash or whatever, he deleted that scenario entirely and gave the god form fight that we got instead. The ninja dude who can jump to a higher realm or cut cause and effect or whatever also got retconned to oblivion to where it just doesn't happen. Legit it's the most baffling decisions I've seen from a Mangaka. I don't recall any other Manga series do anything like this and it makes it hard for anyone to try and care when the stuff we read is likely just gonna be decanonized.
I find that one funny ngl stans were going on a spree only for the recton bat coming in taking away the possible buffs
 
The book that the Chill is introduced in, as well as one of the comics where they actually show a Chill doing exactly what Im describing.

I was hoping for a specific example or showing of a passage, but since 'touching intangible things' isn't a factor in this fight as we've both agreed, this discussion really doesn't need to go any further.
She does not NEED knowledge of Maka's abilities. It would still work because thats a tactic she does in her own verse, she doesnt know that it would sever the Resonance but it would still happen as a byproduct of hr fighting the way she fights normally.
Again I am approaching this in good faith, but do you have any showings of Ruby herself ever inserting her Aura into another person during a fight to produce... any kind of effect? As far as most combat is shown outside of Semblance uses, Huntsman and Huntresses just coat their weapons in their Aura and use it to beat people harder. It's not like they're doing target soul strikes seeing as how 'going directly for the soul' isn't even really a thing in RWBY content. If you've got any examples of Ruby doing this, I'd love to see them. Compounding on this, do you have any showings of Ruby using her Semblance to move an enemy combatant against their will with her Petal Burst? All her showings moving others have been with her friends (that I am aware of and have seen myself)


Okay good, I'm glad you acknowledged that Maka and Soul therefore have showings of high resistance to being hit by soul based attacks. As this series has regularly shown us, even blocking an attack by someone who is stronger than you can still hurt you. You yourself acknowledged in this thread Maka blocked attacks from KinshinCrona and did not get hurt from them, therefore the story is telling us that Crona is not so vastly stronger that it can hurt them even when blocked.
...mon frere there are tons of people with that ability in RWBY. Just from Semblances alone Jaune:

A healing and boosting semblance. A specific use power that he's never used against an enemy combatant.
A masking field type of semblance that blankets others. He does not force his Aura into others, he masks over them.


A draining Semblance, not forcibly inserting or disrupting anything. Simply slurping up. Notably doesn't disrupt the Aura.

Doesn't disrupt the Aura, but bypasses it to make the target sleep. Similar in a way to the Apathy which was able to affect people through their Aura. This isn't Aura disruption.

Stops people from using their own Semblances. Again, bypasses the Aura to affect the target. Not disruption or forced entry.
Vermillion:

Makes the target share their Semblance. Described as "The victim's Aura being tugged at". Again, not disruption and even described as the target's Aura still being active.

None of these described in-universe fit the criteria of "Specifically shoving their aura into the target to disrupt their soul-based power" which was what I was arguing. Covering your weapon in your Aura is basically giving it a field that makes it hit harder. It breaks Semblances because it's big force slamming against a force field, not because it's a now magical weapon that bypasses defenses to hit the soul directly. If it did, you'd think it'd be a super prominent way to get past the whole "Aura is the only thing protecting you from getting one-shot" thing in fights.
To build off of your Ren example, Fox also demonstrated the ability to make Grimm explode through internal Aura damage. Hell, going by Pyrrha's showing and description in episode 6 (As well as our current RWBY profile and the RWBY wikia's page for Aura), literally anyone with Aura can insert it into another person or object.

And again, Fox also doing this does not dispute my argument that they both did this to Grimm, creatures specifically that have no soul. This technique is never used on a Non-Grimm target in the series' 9 Volumes (that I am aware of) and if it was something just anyone could do it'd be SUPER USEFUL to finish fights. Why go through all the trouble of long drawn out battles that depend on your Aura Shield and endurance to keep you alive when you can just Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru your opponent and finish it that way. Pyrrha showed that someone can activate an Aura in Volume 1 and that is... never brought up again. It's not Aura intermingling if Jaune didn't have an Aura to being with. Just because I pressed the power button on my computer and turned it on it doesn't make me a Technomancer.
Not sure what this has to do with anything here but okay.
What this 'has to do' is if your argument is that Ruby can just Aura Punch Maka and Soul's resonance apart, then they can just... Resonate again. Just like how they were able to Resonate after Crona's Wavelength Poison was no longer an issue.
 
@TartaChocholate For some reason Murata keeps retconning a bunch of his chapters to make them not canon and reset from like 50 chapters prior. The first noteworthy retcon was during the Garou vs Saitama fight, where we were going to have them talk to each other and cool off, but either due to fan backlash or whatever, he deleted that scenario entirely and gave the god form fight that we got instead. The ninja dude who can jump to a higher realm or cut cause and effect or whatever also got retconned to oblivion to where it just doesn't happen. Legit it's the most baffling decisions I've seen from a Mangaka. I don't recall any other Manga series do anything like this and it makes it hard for anyone to try and care when the stuff we read is likely just gonna be decanonized.
It's absolutely baffling how Murata doesn't have the story planned out even though it already written
 
I haven't been following the debate much, but does it just boil down to Ruby only wins if you're strict towards Makas' feats while lenient towards Rubys?
 
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