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All I know about the Ruby is that stupid twitter video. You know which one.
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DEATH BATTLE! Discussion Thread (All-time Death Battle Spoilers Alert)
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I watched that long rant video about RWBY and thats about it :V
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Using stuff from Volumes 2 and 3 to argue that she's not skilled in h2h combat is not a good argument. She literally went through multiple timeskip training arcs since then to improve her h2h skill because she acknowledged that she wasnt great at it at the start, having Yang, Qrow, Ozpin, and Harriet all personally mentor her in hand to hand.
Also, another thing to point out; Mercury is one of the most skilled martial artists on the planet whose entire fighting style revolves around martial arts, no shit Ruby isnt going to be as skilled as him in that style of combat. That doesnt make her 'unskilled', especially when she's been using martial arts herself since the Red Trailer.
She knows how to fight in hand to hand, she just isnt as skilled as world-class MMA fighters who specialize in it.
And then you compare her to Maka, whose only showings of h2h skill are wild haymakers, karate chops, and drop kicks, with BlackStar pointing out multiple times across the story that she sucks at hand to hand combat.
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i really like the first three seasons of RWBY, i was following them as they were coming out as i was a big fan of Monty oum at the time and his work on stuff like samus vs masterchief.
outside of that i know very little about what goes on post season 3 or why theres been a negative shift on the series in certain spheres.
outside of that i know very little about what goes on post season 3 or why theres been a negative shift on the series in certain spheres.
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Yeah its not great
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isnt there like an official RWBY anime or something?
is that worth a watch
is that worth a watch
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Its one season, tied into the main storyline, and yeah its better than the actual show by a longshot
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RWBY is in an unfortunate spot where all of the decent writing is relegated to the extended media, primarily Ice Queendom and the novels.
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Maka will put all her courage into that fist
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Yeah, this Chill one was the AMA Grimm that was said Huntsmen and Huntresses would need specially made tools to fight them. To me that seems to mean that Aura isn't giving a blanket 'touch the untouchable' factor to it. Looking at the only two other Semblances that have been told function ever similarly to intangibility there's:
Delve as you've said, which is a technique solely used for... going underground. In fact it seems entirely limited to only working to making her Bugs Bunny herself around. I don't see how this has any statements of affecting other intangible things.
And just straight up Intangibility from a character in one of the books that nobody really knows about (which is a shame because my favorite team CFVY got a whole book and that's all the relevance they'll ever have) where it's used to only avoid attacks, like how most people would use being intangible. Not really any statements of her intangibility being able to touch other intangibility. Like I said, there's a nonzero chance that the RWBY wiki has missed someone, but I don't see any instances of the ability that you claim that Aura has.
And to reiterate, this is a genuine question about the series. You're the only one I've seen to claim this, and I just want to understand where you're coming from with the claim.
Yes, it has been disrupted by specific techniques channeled through a Soul Wavelength. Which Ruby does not have or have knowledge about as that would be outside knowledge coming into the fight. If just any soul-based technique was able to break Soul Resonance, there'd be a lot more disarming in SE. Which there aren't. Even Crona taking away Tsubaki and Soul in the Moon arc was because they specifically gummed up the wavelengths between meister and weapon. None of their Screeches or other techniques could do this. Hell, Asura couldn't do that, a being you've directly said is stronger than Crona.
I've actually seen people on the DB try and argue that Maka's techniques shouldn't work on Ruby because she doesn't have a literal 'Soul Wavelength' for Maka to attune to, even though I've said that even the minor amount of verse equalization they'd have to do for this fight is the fact that by having a soul, Ruby's just going to have a Soul Wavelength. That's just the byproduct of having one. It's kinda funny that you're the one arguing for that in this case. Not a dig at you, just a fun observation.
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I try to avoid major spoliers but use a spoiler tag just be safe.
*There's major protagonist centred mortality/worldview which basically treats anyone that's in opposition to Team RWBY as evil or in the wrong rather than having a nuanced PoV that shows the world isn't black and white/good and evil.
*Blake and Ruby despite being teammates barely have any meaningful interactions (after the dorm scene in V1) for multiple volumes (even after the team reunites in V5).
*The Faunus discrimination plotline is "blah" and without it Blake is mostly reduced to just bumblebee/blacksun.
*Multiple popluar/well designed characters that are "problematic" either get killed off or written out.
*VA/RT controversies (I don't want to go into details).
*The fandom split that makes it very hostile for new peeps to get into the franchise without getting targeted for liking or disliking a character, a plot twist, preformce, a VA, etc.
*Many janky fight scenes that fail to emulate or even capture the remnants of Monty's magic.
*Shipping wars that actually spilled over into the shows production with the VAs even fanning the flames.
*Etc
*Blake and Ruby despite being teammates barely have any meaningful interactions (after the dorm scene in V1) for multiple volumes (even after the team reunites in V5).
*The Faunus discrimination plotline is "blah" and without it Blake is mostly reduced to just bumblebee/blacksun.
*Multiple popluar/well designed characters that are "problematic" either get killed off or written out.
*VA/RT controversies (I don't want to go into details).
*The fandom split that makes it very hostile for new peeps to get into the franchise without getting targeted for liking or disliking a character, a plot twist, preformce, a VA, etc.
*Many janky fight scenes that fail to emulate or even capture the remnants of Monty's magic.
*Shipping wars that actually spilled over into the shows production with the VAs even fanning the flames.
*Etc
Tl;dr: RWBY has now become a franchise that most normies don't want anything to do with thanks a rabid defensive fandom, all the controversies surrounding the production/ships and the sheer amount content there is to consume in order to understand the world building, lore and timeline that ultimately is just average in terms of writing.
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Yeah no, that is just factually incorrect. We have seen huntsmen physically interact with a Chill without any tools before. The tools in question are for removing a Chill from a possessed host without killing the host, they arent required to interact with the Chill in general.
It doesnt just work on going underground, it lets her go through any solid matter. Hell in the first cutscene she's introduced she uses it to go inside of a Megoliath to kill it from the inside.
That is phasing intangibility, a different kind of intangibility from the others I mentioned. Our intangibility page even lists it as such.
Intangibility
Intangibility is the ability to pass through things physically. Characters with this ability are simply unaffected by attacks, as they pass through their bodies. This can also allow them to pass through walls and other physical objects. The exact mechanics of intangibility differ depending on...
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Im not sure you mean by 'where im coming from'? Its coming from the show, the games, and the books, where the cast consistently physically interact with intangible opponents.
She wouldnt need to have knowledge of it, it would just work because she would do it anyways.
Asura didnt have access to Crona's Thorn poison, or any of Crona's Thorn techniques for that matter.
DB is undoubtedly going to equalize Aura and Soul Wavelengths
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Hey man, just going off of what the people who've created the series told fans. Going by what the RWBY wiki says, Chill are able to pass from person to person by touch, not by flying around and possessing people willy-nilly and giving people the chance to strike them down before they can possess. Like I've said, I'm strictly going from what the biggest source of RWBY information is telling me.
That's right, it lets her bypass solid matter. My point is I don't see how that is attributed to her interacting with other intangible things. There's a big difference there.
That is phasing intangibility, a different kind of intangibility from the others I mentioned. Our intangibility page even lists it as such.
Intangibility
Intangibility is the ability to pass through things physically. Characters with this ability are simply unaffected by attacks, as they pass through their bodies. This can also allow them to pass through walls and other physical objects. The exact mechanics of intangibility differ depending on...
Yeah, but this page also reiterates that there are different types of intangibility. You can't attribute a blanket feats list of every kind of intangibility to every user of the same kind of power:
"The exact mechanics of intangibility differ depending on the individual, and may have to be activated in order to take effect. Many characters cannot interact with objects when intangible."
That's what I mean: It doesn't? Delve is not shown dealing with intangible opponents. Intangibility's user isn't shown interacting with intangible opponents. The show's creator's have said that Aura alone isn't enough to just remove Chill from a possessed person. I'm going off of what the show is telling me, not just what your interpretation of it is.
Just so I'm clear, your argument is "Ruby doesn't need to know how Soul Resonance or Soul Wavelengths, very setting-specific mechanics, works, she can just do this because... aura is soul-based and there for all soul techniques are similar to one another?"
Yes, which means unless someone has a specific technique to counteract Soul Wavelengths, they can't just up and do it. If Asura was magnitudes stronger than Crona and couldn't just manhandle Soul away through his own hax or soul-based strength, why should Ruby?
That we agree with. I (legit) am glad that we can at least find some common ground here.
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It isnt done through touch no, the Chill is literally a living non-corporeal shadow, it has been outright shown to be able to move from person to person independent of a host.
Correct, hence why theyre not given type 3 since they have shown to be unable to hit phasing-type intangibility, only immaterial and incorporeal, types 1 and 2.
Its not my interpretation though? This is how its depicted in the show. they do not need tools to interact with a Chill, only to remove them without killing the host. And this is on top of the cast being able to physically interact with Geists, which are also intangible, as well as almost every character in the show having at least one feat of physically interacting with some form of energy, be it electricity, fire, light, etc., and the aforementioned instances of Aura allowing users to hit Ruby when she is in her intangible semblance state.
In a DB setting, pretty much yeah
Because Crona's negation wasnt a soul-based ability? It was a poison delivered through their Thorns. Asura didnt display this ability, so theres no reason to assume he would be able to replicate it. Ruby on the other hand has the means to directly interfere with Maka's Resonance with Soul by intermingling her Aura with Soul's Soul Wavelength through her Semblance
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Completely earnest here, what is the source for that? I can only judge from what I'm being told by the RWBY wiki since I can't exactly track down every supplementary material for the series and going off of that alone it says they transfer from host to host through touch. If you have a video, panel or passage from a book or something I would legitimately like to see it.
Okay I see that we are both just splitting hairs here. When it all comes down to it, both Ruby, Maka and Soul have shown abilities that can be determined to physically interact with nebulous intangible forces. This isn't a deciding factor of this fight and trying to argue finer details is a waste of both of our times.
Respectfully, I disagree. That's not how it's been shown in similar Death Battles with verse equalization. Let's take Gojo vs Makima for example. If we are given this argument you say, Makima would then immediately know that to kill a Sorcerer permanently and to stop his regeneration she'd just need to blow his head off with her technique that she knows can bypass his Infinity. Batman would have known immediately how Black Panther's Vibranium suit worked or that Tony could do the entire fight remotely. Darth Vader would have been able to immediately know exactly how Obito's entire power system worked(hell they even BSsed Anakin by just saying 'well the force would exist in the normal vs sense, but Obito's dimension wouldn't have it for... reasons. Despite the Force existing everywhere). Unicron would have known that Galactus couldn't be beaten by his own Ultimate Nullifer even if he possessed it.
But let's be fair and look at ones that could serve that argument:
Jonathan vs Tanjiro: Literally it's just breathing. Not exactly a very nuanced thing to figure out. They both take big obvious breaths before doing their cool anime moves. Tanjiro could figure out that the Hamon is breathing based, but not that is also harnesses the power of the sun unless Jonathan does a typical Jojo speech (which he honestly probably would and honestly the 'power of the sun' part is the least important in this matchup.)
Apocalypse vs Black Adam: Both can read minds. Simple as. They don't spend the fight watching each other's abilities and draw conclusions they both just straight up read each other's minds and histories.
Reverse Flash vs Goku Black: Eobard is straight up a genius of time travel and immortality through time travel. He'd have all the incredibly specific knowledge he'd need to pick out the Time Ring on GB. Also as stated on the show, he could just read his mind (because
Verse equalization does not give blanket immediate verse knowledge outright. That's not how the show portrays it at all and it'd change so many matchups if it did.
My guy almost everything in Soul Eater is a soul-based ability. Their thorns poisoned Maka and BlackStar's resonance with their weapons. There's even visual given of their poison in the gear that serve as Resonance between Meister and Weapon. This is basic visual storytelling. And to assume Ruby can just insert her Aura into their Soul Resonance is flimsy logic because we've only seen one person that can put their Aura into another thing with their power, and it was Pietro. And he even says that it saps his own Aura to do so, which is why Penny could have permanently died after his last rebuilding of her. The only other showing is Ren back in Volume one probably using his Aura to explode a Grimm with a touch, but Grimms don't have souls to put an Aura into so even then that's not evidence.
And in case we forget, it wasn't like Crona permanently stopped Maka and Soul from resonating ever again. They did so easily once Crona dropped him after Maka got her Hunts off and forced Crona to hide away in the Asura ball to let him take over.
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It's really dope and I like the comic-booky visual style they went with it rather than just having Kratos' Ragnarök model go against Omni-Man's MK1 model.
But in DB's slight defense, this guy said he worked on this video for 7 months. I don't think it's fair to ask that DB's animation team put in 7 months of animation for every 3D episode they do when they have way stricter guidelines than ANTmation.
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Man, leave my boy Rudo alone, he's not built for VS battles
I was mostly BakuYang for a while just because 'sure why not', but I've honestly really come around on BakuSplode. I feel like they'd have the best banter and fighting dynamics.
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Not to mention Rex having at least something you can actually argue would kill Bakugo with his self-destruct.Man, leave my boy Rudo alone, he's not built for VS battles
I was mostly BakuYang for a while just because 'sure why not', but I've honestly really come around on BakuSplode. I feel like they'd have the best banter and fighting dynamics.
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I'm ngl, I thought your pfp was ProZD for a moment.
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Bruh tf Rex is gonna do.
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always felt as a deent argument that is it falls flat when Bakugou can just outpace the explosion given he isn't as arrogant as the evil mark rex killed
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Exactly even if Rex gets a planet level self-destruction hail mary (downscaling from killing an evil Mark variant that stomped Bulletproof and was weaker but comparable to main Mark that helped destroy a large planet) Dynamight can just evade or dodge it plus it's not even a win-con just a forced draw at best.
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Kill himself
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"You don't understand, I NEED a youtuber to tell me what to like!"
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Prediction Blog: Felicia vs Taokaka
"Meow" - the stray cat outside my apartment Felicia , the catgirl popstar from Darkstalkers . Taokaka , the Kaka tribe guardian from BlazBlu...
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Interesting, seems some folks off site in the community buys Multiversal BlazBlue then.
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Eh looking it feel it barely was addressed much other than "well there's this" but didn't go much into it which given the characters at hand prob why
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BTW I know this is an old-ish post, but:
Did my own version of this for the hypothetical Xeno VS Anything (took a while because I was getting used to some of the kinks with Pinta on Linux)
In fact, fun idea: Give me an Animator that's done work for DBa (+ template, preferably), and I'll give them 8 Xeno JRPG MUs I could see them animating.
Did my own version of this for the hypothetical Xeno VS Anything (took a while because I was getting used to some of the kinks with Pinta on Linux)
In fact, fun idea: Give me an Animator that's done work for DBa (+ template, preferably), and I'll give them 8 Xeno JRPG MUs I could see them animating.
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that one is canon tho 100% cumfirmed
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I'm calling it bs, everybody knows BB is wanked
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You mean like how everything in DMC Is wanked?
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