Zeref dragneel against Son goku

[Chardee.wl]

@Zeinx1 what are your thoughts

 

[Matrixxxx]

''touching''? You've got to be kidding. Anxheram has many uses, one of which is secretion.

for example, here and here it kills the professor and the wolf's by secretion.

Even if it doesn't need to make contact, the range of this spell is very low, so goku will have the upper hand.

 

[Chardee.wl]

Even if it doesn't need to make contact, the range of this spell is very low, so goku will have the upper hand.

they have a range of hundreds of kilometers and they're in the same area

 

[Matrixxxx]

they have a range of hundreds of kilometers and they're in the same area

There's no evidence that black magic has a high range, man, and it's obvious that you're doing this to make sure Zeref wins because
1-) speed equalization
2) you say it reduces the distance to the rear
this is a violation for vsb please read the subject rules

 

[Chardee.wl]

There's no evidence that black magic has a high range, man, and it's obvious that you're doing this to make sure Zeref wins because
1-) speed equalization
2) you say it reduces the distance to the rear
this is a violation for vsb please read the subject rules

If you read the profile, you'll see that the anksheram has a range of hundreds of kilometers.

Hundreds of Kilometers (Capable of controlling and effecting the Space Between Time when it was well over 100 Kilometers away. His Ankhseram Black Magic would have spread out and effected all of Aldoron's body)

 

[Zeinx1]

@Zeinx1 what are your thoughts

I find it ridiculous that you are arguing until you change from joke battles

 

[Chardee.wl]

I find it ridiculous that you are arguing until you change from joke battles

I don't see a problem since the admins will fix it when they see it.

 

[chosen]

Being in the same area is not an advantage for zeref, zeref needs to get very close to goku for his death manipulation to be effective against goku + goku has reactive evolution and will resist the death manipulation later in the battle

He will be dead by then

goku erases it from existence with hakai and also with reactive evolution goku will gain resistance to death manipulation

Anime Goku, he doesn't have hakai

 

[Chardee.wl]

Anime Goku, he doesn't have hakai

Even if it is, the Zeref has a resistance to it.

 

[chosen]

Anyways voting Zereff assuming it's not a stomp

 

[Matrixxxx]

If you read the profile, you'll see that the anksheram has a range of hundreds of kilometers.

Hundreds of Kilometers (Capable of controlling and effecting the Space Between Time when it was well over 100 Kilometers away. His Ankhseram Black Magic would have spread out and effected all of Aldoron's body)

We have equalised the movement speed of the characters, but the spreading speed of Ankhseram's aura is considerably lower than Zeref's speed and even uncertain, if you remember well, a black aura that appeared when Zeref had an emotional turmoil spread around the environment over time, so much so that even elfman and evergreen, who had no light speed, managed to escape from this place with their speed, so all these stages require time.



Zeref will experience a confusion of emotions> the black smoke of Ankhseram will appear> and the smoke of Ankhseram will spread uncontrollably in the environment



You don't think Goku's going to sit by and watch while all this is going on, do you? Of course not. If he's caught in the aura, he might attack the zerefe during this emotional turmoil
https://imgur.com/gallery/xBARlsS

 

[Burkiqwe]

Matrixxx's arguments makes sense, Goku is way more faster than Ankhseram's spreading. My vote is for Goku.

 

[Robo432343]

bro what the fk is this

goku has no answer to zeref's conceptual time stuff and mid godly regen. i'm going to ask this thread to be closed

 

[Valeska24]

bro what the fk is this

goku has no answer to zeref's conceptual time stuff and mid godly regen. i'm going to ask this thread to be closed

You can't just demand closure when nothing has been finalised here

 

[Robo432343]

You can't just demand closure when nothing has been finalised here

i can ask this to be closed if the match is a stomp

 

[Valeska24]

i can ask this to be closed if the match is a stomp

Yes and this is not one of them

 

[Burkiqwe]

bro what the fk is this

goku has no answer to zeref's conceptual time stuff and mid godly regen. i'm going to ask this thread to be closed

Did bro really said regen? What will zeref even do with mid godly regen when goku destroys the lower plane with his AP?

 

[Robo432343]

Did bro really said regen? What will zeref even do with mid godly regen when goku destroys the lower plane with his AP?

bro wtf
it is not in character for goku to nuke the cosmology

 

[Valeska24]

it is not in character for goku to nuke the cosmology

This is not a valid argument They will both start the fight with bloodthirstiness and when Goku destroys the universe, he will also destroy the future, past and present of this universe. So yes, Zeref cannot go back in time and escape from this Because as I said, Goku will destroy the "past" of the timeline, so Zeref will not be able to go back in time

 

[DragonKing400]

Neutral for now

 

[Chardee.wl]

We have equalised the movement speed of the characters, but the spreading speed of Ankhseram's aura is considerably lower than Zeref's speed and even uncertain, if you remember well, a black aura that appeared when Zeref had an emotional turmoil spread around the environment over time, so much so that even elfman and evergreen, who had no light speed, managed to escape from this place with their speed, so all these stages require time.



Zeref will experience a confusion of emotions> the black smoke of Ankhseram will appear> and the smoke of Ankhseram will spread uncontrollably in the environment



You don't think Goku's going to sit by and watch while all this is going on, do you? Of course not. If he's caught in the aura, he might attack the zerefe during this emotional turmoil
https://imgur.com/gallery/xBARlsS

Obviously, you used a scene where he can't control magic. Only when Zeref forgets the value of human life and doesn't care anymore can he fully control this magic. This is written in his profile. And since the form we are based on is the Fairy Heart form, he will control the magic. Since he has an infinite supply of magic, he can increase the speed of an attack he controls.

Ankhseram Black Magic

Ankhseram Black Magic (アンクセラムの黒魔術 Ankuseramu no Kuro Majutsu), also known as the Contradictory Curse (矛盾の呪い Mujun no Noroi),[1] is a Black Art that involves killing. It is a Black Art that allows its user to produce a black miasma that kills anything it touches.[2] However, certain Magic Items...

fairytail.fandom.com

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

They will both start the fight with bloodthirstiness

OP didn't mention any of either combatant are bloodlusted tho

 

[Valeska24]

OP didn't mention any of either combatant are bloodlusted tho

I said they were both fighting to win and that's all you took from what i said?

 

[GarrixianXD]

Ehhhh....

 

[MeidoIzayoi]

I said they were both fighting to win and that's all you took from what i said?

fighting to win ≠ fighting with bloodlust

 

[Valeska24]

Since he has an infinite supply of magic, he can increase the speed of an attack he controls.

What? This has nothing to do with increasing the speed of an attack, nor does having infinite power mean you can speed up an attack as much as you want or have complete control over it. Neither of them can confirm what you said. If Zeref has a statement in which he explains that Ankhseram controls the spread rate, as he wants, prove it, otherwise do not present things you have made up in your own mind.

 

[Valeska24]

fighting to win ≠ fighting with bloodlust

I already know this

What I'm saying here is that Goku can destroy the timeline to win

 

[Lynieryz]

What are these fans? Goku won't start with Mafuba, it's out of character, Goku won't destroy the cosmology, it's out of character, it seems like the fans themselves didn't watch what they're defending.

 

[Robo432343]

They will both start the fight with bloodthirstiness and when Goku destroys the universe

No
OP didn't make both bloodlusted

 

[Robo432343]

What are these fans? Goku won't start with Mafuba, it's out of character, Goku won't destroy the cosmology, it's out of character, it seems like the fans themselves didn't watch what they're defending.

THANK YOU

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Okay, Goku has no way of defending against death manipulation or finishing, this is simply like it was The Presence vs Goku, this has to be closed.

 

[Chardee.wl]

What? This has nothing to do with increasing the speed of an attack, nor does having infinite power mean you can speed up an attack as much as you want or have complete control over it. Neither of them can confirm what you said. If Zeref has a statement in which he explains that Ankhseram controls the spread rate, as he wants, prove it, otherwise do not present things you have made up in your own mind.

I only said that he can increase his speed because he can control the attack. It has been shown many times in the series that we can use magic to increase the speed of your attack or your own speed. So there is no reason why he can't increase the speed of an attack he can control.

 

[chosen]

What are these fans? Goku won't start with Mafuba, it's out of character, Goku won't destroy the cosmology, it's out of character, it seems like the fans themselves didn't watch what they're defending.

Don't mess with db fans
We don't watch the show

 

[Valeska24]

Goku won't destroy the cosmology, it's out of character, it seems like the fans themselves didn't watch what they're defending.

Are you seriously defending something like this because it is against he is character,bro? Here we are comparing two characters according to their powers and talking about what they can do.Does the fact that Goku doesn't have such a thing in his character mean that he won't use it against Zeref? I mean, I don't care who wins, but I wouldn't defend it like that.

 

[Valeska24]

I only said that he can increase his speed because he can control the attack. It has been shown many times in the series that we can use magic to increase the speed of your attack or your own speed. So there is no reason why he can't increase the speed of an attack he can control.

Buddy, I told you that just because you fully control an attack does not mean that you can increase the speed of that attack by any certain amount you want, and I don't care about the other examples in the series. I just said you need to provide concrete evidence

 

[Lynieryz]

Are you seriously defending something like this because it is against he is character,bro? Here we are comparing two characters according to their powers and talking about what they can do.Does the fact that Goku doesn't have such a thing in his character mean that he won't use it against Zeref? I mean, I don't care who wins, but I wouldn't defend it like that.

It's literally in the rules man

State of mind: IN CHARACTER, BUT WILL ATTEMPT TO WIN THE BATTLE. Characters will not give up of their own accord. That means a character that is uninterested or sees no chance of winning won't simply leave and characters wouldn't simply become friends with each other. This doesn't prevent a character being made to give up, because the other character manipulates them via things like, for example, mind control, fear inducement, psychological tricks or superhuman charisma.
Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences. The characters will assume their opponents have not been forced into battle. They are assumed to have decided from free will to fight and are not excused by a just cause, difficult times or otherwise exonerating circumstances. Furthermore, the situation is assumed one where the opponents are not protected by social norms or consequences, such as being a civilian protected by law.

 

[Valeska24]

Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences

Assuming that Goku knows these things, why wouldn't he do something like this to win? Look, I don't even care who wins, but Goku will know that Zeref attacked to defeat him and he will act accordingly, but I think that's enough from me, I'll leave it to Matrix or other DB supporters

 

[CloverDragon03]

Did bro really said regen? What will zeref even do with mid godly regen when goku destroys the lower plane with his AP?

I too remember when Goku nuked the entire plane

Anyways no, Goku has a comically large AP advantage, but he has zero answer to AoE Death Hax, Time Hax, and Mid-Godly Regen. To put the Mid-Godly Regen in Dragon Ball terms, you could literally Hakai him and he'd still come back.

 

[CloverDragon03]

We have equalised the movement speed of the characters, but the spreading speed of Ankhseram's aura is considerably lower than Zeref's speed and even uncertain, if you remember well, a black aura that appeared when Zeref had an emotional turmoil spread around the environment over time, so much so that even elfman and evergreen, who had no light speed, managed to escape from this place with their speed, so all these stages require time.



Zeref will experience a confusion of emotions> the black smoke of Ankhseram will appear> and the smoke of Ankhseram will spread uncontrollably in the environment



You don't think Goku's going to sit by and watch while all this is going on, do you? Of course not. If he's caught in the aura, he might attack the zerefe during this emotional turmoil
https://imgur.com/gallery/xBARlsS

Zeref's attack speed was only low when his emotions were in turmoil. When he's fighting to win like this, he forgets the value of human life, and thus his spells are at full speed (which is the same as his own speed)

 

[Burkiqwe]

I too remember when Goku nuked the entire plane

Dude, do you think he had to have done it in the dragon ball series or something? It's still a win condition.