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Hey, this is a continuation of the first thread.
Now I'm not to erudite in intelligence scaling but I disagree with Ayanokouji having Extraordinary Genius levels of intelligence.
Extraordinary Genius is defined as individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers, and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations.
Ayanokouji qualifies for Extraordinary Genius through these things:
This doesn't qualify for even "genius:, the Taylor Series equations taught and learned in schools. People with average intelligence can do the Taylor Series Equations seeing as not everyone who does basic calculus is a genius (where the Taylor series equations are taught).
He was called a genius among other 3 year olds with no statements of being geniuses. But this qualifies for genius intelligence imo not extraordinary genius.
This is impressive but not Extraordinary Genius levels of impressive.
Not quantifiable for intelligence.
Well this one required me to do some research. Ayanokouji did this while in the white room when he was 2-9 years old. Classroom of the elite is set in 2015 ? Koji is 16 years old which means he would have been in the white room from 2001 - 2008 ish. Meaning the chess engine used in the example that can play "20 million moves per second" didn't even exist (until 2017) and its common knowledge that chess engines get stronger overtime and older ones are much weaker then newer ones.
I'd also like to add that I don't think this qualifies for Extraordinary Genius seeing as the strongest chess engine in 2008 was Rybka which had an estimated elo of 3238 which is only 356 elo above that of Magnus Carlsen so I wouldn't say chess engines from 2008 were vastly above current humans (they were and still are above current humans but not to a dramatic enough level that only an extraordinary genius could beat one).
I'd also like to show you this game where grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura actually beat Rybuka in 2008.
Also, it seems Mr.Bambu doesn't think beating a chess engine qualifies for the rating "extraordinary genius" (I won't be counting his vote on this so don't worry Its just something useful I thought I'd add)
Abilities:
Analytical Prediction: Ayanokouji qualifies for Analytical Prediction through:Now I have (User Dinozxd) read both fights and there isn't any instance of Ayanokouji reading or predicting attacks). The only thing I saw that slightly reminds me of "predicting" or "reading" attacks is this scan where Ryuuen claimed that Ayanokouji predicted his attack and blocked it. This shouldn't get him Analytical Prediciton as Ayanokouji himself states that Ryuuen was attacking his abdomen several times already which made it easier for Ayanokouji to block the upcoming hit.(Could easily read all of Nanase's and Ryuuen's attacks)
Intelligence:
Extraordinary Genius is defined as individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers, and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations.
Ayanokouji qualifies for Extraordinary Genius through these things:
Did "Taylor Series" equations at a very young age in the White Room, stating that it involved Theory of relativity studies and Number theory
Called a genius among geniuses
Analyzed the pattern of a guessing game instantaneously and got a 100% which was a first.
By the age of junior high/high school, would have a mental age of 20-30
Can outplay a chess engine by the government that can play 20 Million moves per seconds and perform better moves
I'd also like to add that I don't think this qualifies for Extraordinary Genius seeing as the strongest chess engine in 2008 was Rybka which had an estimated elo of 3238 which is only 356 elo above that of Magnus Carlsen so I wouldn't say chess engines from 2008 were vastly above current humans (they were and still are above current humans but not to a dramatic enough level that only an extraordinary genius could beat one).
I'd also like to show you this game where grandmaster Hikaru Nakamura actually beat Rybuka in 2008.
Also, it seems Mr.Bambu doesn't think beating a chess engine qualifies for the rating "extraordinary genius" (I won't be counting his vote on this so don't worry Its just something useful I thought I'd add)
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