Classroom Of The Elite revamp - White Room Edition + Accepted calcs and scaling

[Dinozxd]

They are technically getting tortured there

Both mentally and physically for years straight with minimal rest

Which makes pain resistence believeable

"Resisting pain" isn't the same as not feeling pain at all. It's even stated by DDM that only characters with 0 nerves should get Resistance to Pain (with some exceptions that doesn't cover characters like Koji).

You participated on it though?

I don't remember it though. Can you link where it's accepted?

You don't put "higher", Likely is for when they possibly are a higher tier than what they are now

That's "Far Higher" I think.

 

[Dinozxd]

Couldn't outrigut wall level work for ayanokoji across the board since he apparently upscales MASSIVELY above the rest of the cast? The "likely" looks like an eyesore

I'd personally go with "At least Street level+, far higher (massively superior to the rest of the cast)" as this would already mean that Koji is a tier higher than the rest of the verse, which is 9-B.

Just putting "Wall level" on there makes it seem like Koji has Wall level feats when he doesn't (for now at least) he just massively upscales from his verse.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I don't remember it though. Can you link where it's accepted?

Classroom Of The Elite - Ayanokoji's abilities organization and additions CRT - Part 3

This will be for organizing Ayanokoji's abilities as there is alot of misunderstandings regarding his abilities This was made with the help of @RoggerReggor 1st Key; 2nd Key; 3rd Key; Staff votes; Ayanokoji Kiyotaka (Kid) Staff Agrees - DarkDragonMedeus, Qawsedf234 Staff Disagress...

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That's "Far Higher" I think.

And "likely higher" also works, Far higher is like 2 or 3 ranks above your current rating

Likely higher is like 1 rank above

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I'd personally go with "At least Street level+, far higher (massively superior to the rest of the cast)" as this would already mean that Koji is a tier higher than the rest of the verse, which is 9-B.

Just putting "Wall level" on there makes it seem like Koji has Wall level feats when he doesn't (for now at least) he just massively upscales from his verse.

Not how it works, Koji has legit a calc extremely close to 15 KJ where the feat was done VERY CASUALLY and he slightly upscales Kouenji which further supports his rating for guaranteed 9-B

Not only that, His kid self would upscale by a good margin his current key due to being stronger with Prime koji far outclassing his current and kid self

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I'd personally go with "At least Street level+, far higher (massively superior to the rest of the cast)" as this would already mean that Koji is a tier higher than the rest of the verse, which is 9-B.

Just putting "Wall level" on there makes it seem like Koji has Wall level feats when he doesn't (for now at least) he just massively upscales from his verse.

Classroom Of The Elite - Ayanokoji's abilities organization and additions CRT - Part 3

This will be for organizing Ayanokoji's abilities as there is alot of misunderstandings regarding his abilities This was made with the help of @RoggerReggor 1st Key; 2nd Key; 3rd Key; Staff votes; Ayanokoji Kiyotaka (Kid) Staff Agrees - DarkDragonMedeus, Qawsedf234 Staff Disagress...

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And "likely higher" also works, Far higher is like 2 or 3 ranks above your current rating

Likely higher is like 1 rank above

I agree with these reasonings

 

[Dinozxd]

Classroom Of The Elite - Ayanokoji's abilities organization and additions CRT - Part 3

This will be for organizing Ayanokoji's abilities as there is alot of misunderstandings regarding his abilities This was made with the help of @RoggerReggor 1st Key; 2nd Key; 3rd Key; Staff votes; Ayanokoji Kiyotaka (Kid) Staff Agrees - DarkDragonMedeus, Qawsedf234 Staff Disagress...

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I see. Although, I don't think you need to make a completely new profile just to add one ability?

And "likely higher" also works, Far higher is like 2 or 3 ranks above your current rating

Likely higher is like 1 rank above

Something like "Far higher should be 2 or 3 tiers above your current rating" isn't stated on the wiki but it seems like higher can be used to show a tier above the current rating so your suggestion is correct.

Not how it works, Koji has legit a calc extremely close to 15 KJ where the feat was done VERY CASUALLY and he slightly upscales Kouenji which further supports his rating for guaranteed 9-B

Well you are making it seem like Koenji would one hundred percent get a 2 KJ boost when he doesn't hold back which is just going off of guesswork. The reason why terms like "higher, likely higher, possibly higher" exist is because the boosts that scale characters higher than their casual feats are unquantifiable (except for multipliers).

 

[Qawsedf234]

They easily upscale though

They need to have a deep-ish scaling chain to get bumped up to the next rating. Just being superior isn't enough to warrant going up.

I'll comment on the rest when I get the chance.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Well you are making it seem like Koenji would one hundred percent get a 2 KJ boost when he doesn't hold back which is just going off of guesswork. The reason why terms like "higher, likely higher, possibly higher" exist is because the boosts that scale characters higher than their casual feats are unquantifiable (except for multipliers).

He has feats that makes him 9-B

Like his from the cliff which reggor said was at least 50 m and he also gave reasoning on why it's valid, That's kinda why i see him upscaling this feat to 9-B

 

[XxZetsuxX]

They need to have a deep-ish scaling chain to get bumped up to the next rating. Just being superior isn't enough to warrant going up.

My reasoning for this is because Kouenji falls from a cliff and remains intact with no visible injury or anything

I'll comment on the rest when I get the chance.

Please and thank you in advance

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I see. Although, I don't think you need to make a completely new profile just to add one ability?

Like i said, I'm remaking the whole cote verse, It's heavily outdated (Aside from Koji, He is somewhat up to date)

Ryuuen will have more than just 1 ability

 

[Dinozxd]

He has feats that makes him 9-B

Like his from the cliff which reggor said was at least 50 m and he also gave reasoning on why it's valid, That's kinda why i see him upscaling this feat to 9-B

Then upscale him using that feat and not just cuz he's superior to Koenji.

Like i said, I'm remaking the whole cote verse, It's heavily outdated (Aside from Koji, He is somewhat up to date)

Ryuuen will have more than just 1 ability

I understand.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Then upscale him using that feat and not just cuz he's superior to Koenji.

I mean, The cliff calc wasn't even made but tanking a 50 m fall should give 9-B baseline without any calcs right?

I understand.

Thank you for understanding

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The cliff calc wasn't even made but tanking a 50 m fall should give 9-B baseline without any calcs right?

Isn't that currently rated as 9-C+? His durability section seems to have that

 

[Dinozxd]

I mean, The cliff calc wasn't even made but tanking a 50 m fall should give 9-B baseline without any calcs right?

I'm not opposing the feat... I'm just saying that you should upscale Koji through him upscaling from that feat, not upscaling from this.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Far higher is like 2 or 3 ranks above your current rating

Shouldn't the subsonic rating be just "Likely Higher" then (Across the board). He doesn't scale that high into Subsonic to the point he could be Subsonic+ or Transonic.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Isn't that currently rated as 9-C+? His durability section seems to have that

Kouenji lifting the boar, Not the fall

Shouldn't the subsonic rating be just "Likely Higher" then (Across the board). He doesn't scale that high into Subsonic to the point he could be Subsonic+ or Transonic.

He is far above people who are subsonic (Housen via Zefra new calc which is yet to be accepted) Ichika who is just straight up subsonic and Takuya who can blitz Ichika

I'm not opposing the feat... I'm just saying that you should upscale Koji through him upscaling from that feat, not upscaling from this.

Kay

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Kouenji lifting the boar, Not the fall

He is far above people who are subsonic (Housen via Zefra new calc which is yet to be accepted) Ichika who is just straight up subsonic and Takuya who can blitz Ichika


Kay

1. No i mean what's on their current profiles, not in the blogs you made. Pretty sure ayanokoji's dura is 9-C+ currently scaling to the fall he had.

2. Nothing you mentioned means he's 2 tiers above who he scales to. Especially when current calcs only scale to 61 m/s which iirc isn't even halfway into the subsonic range (See speed page). At best this qualifies for "Likely Higher" as it is clear he's far above them but not by a tier advantage especially when they all scale to the low ends of Subsonic. There was a coordination between upscaling Ayanokoji to 15KJ as he scales above those who are 13KJ but for this speed gap u mention ayanokoji would need to be over 6x faster than those he upscale from and idk if it's possible for u to back that up.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

The linear difference between High end Subsonic and 61 m/s is 2x. He may be above them in speed but there's nothing that can be sad to close that gap so i think "Likely Higher" works best.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

1. No i mean what's on their current profiles, not in the blogs you made. Pretty sure ayanokoji's dura is 9-C+ currently scaling to the fall he had.

No, The 13.2 KJ feat is legit Kouenji lifting the boar;

2. Nothing you mentioned means he's 2 tiers above who he scales to.

We have Housen calc which is subsonic (Via Zefra's calc), Ichika scales higher than this by a large margin due to being a WR student

Takuya perception (or reaction) blitzed Ichika who is above Housen

Koji scales FAR above both Takuya and Ichika being capable of blitzing Ichika from 5 m distance

Shiba also has a feat of making Koji's ear ring with a punch which gun shots are capable of doing the same thing which is bare minimum transonic where Koji scales massively higher

And kid scales higher than Current and prime Scales massively higher than his kid self

And the difference between low end transonic and high end transonic isn't that high

Especially when current calcs only scale to 61 m/s which iirc isn't even halfway into the subsonic range (See speed page). At best this qualifies for "Likely Higher" as it is clear he's far above them but not by a tier advantage especially when they all scale to the low ends of Subsonic.

What i said above

 

[Dinozxd]

He is far above people who are subsonic (Housen via Zefra new calc which is yet to be accepted) Ichika who is just straight up subsonic and Takuya who can blitz Ichika

Why are yall making the profiles according to unaccepted stuff?

Shiba also has a feat of making Koji's ear ring with a punch which gun shots are capable of doing the same thing which is bare minimum transonic where Koji scales massively higher

The same thing here as well. This one's even worse, as it was suggested and rejected before.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Why are yall making the profiles according to unaccepted stuff?

I'm not using anything that hasn't been accepted on the CRT

The same thing here as well. This one's even worse, as it was suggested and rejected before.

The only thing that was rejected was the fan made translation not the original translation

 

[Dinozxd]

I'm not using anything that hasn't been accepted on the CRT

That "Housen blocks Ryuuen's kick calc upgrade CRT" was never accepted...

The only thing that was rejected was the fan made translation not the original translation

Not to be that guy, but the feat in question doesn't really seem like a feat to me...

But that's not the topic soooo

 

[XxZetsuxX]

That "Housen blocks Ryuuen's kick calc upgrade CRT" was never accepted...

What i'm trying to say is i'm not using that calc on this CRT

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I added Nagumo and Manabu to the LS scaling, They will be Class 1, Likely Class 5 due to being superior than Ryuuen

 

[XxZetsuxX]

They need to have a deep-ish scaling chain to get bumped up to the next rating. Just being superior isn't enough to warrant going up.

I'll comment on the rest when I get the chance.

I will bump just in case (Sorry to disturb you)

 

[RoggerReggor]

My calculation for Kouenji jumping down the mountain during the Mixed Training Camp of Year 1 has been accepted (calculation here) and gives a value of 49.3355427612 kJ (Wall level). However, that's a case for another thread (which would be done right after this one). For this thread, I believe we should stick with the "likely" ratings for the highest tiers of the verse.

One important thing which I would mention is that Kouenji is a variable existence in the scaling chain, the only thing which would put him up to the level Ayanokouji currently would be the fact that he was having a tie in a match of tug of war with him, and recently, Ayanokouji has mentioned that Kouenji can have a slight advantage in a match of Judo with him (which is highly dependent on LS and AP), though he did mention it was with some specific rules only, and I hope Ayanokouji wasn't joking there, since he himself said that he wasn't joking like he normally did. But if another character does manage to overpower him, he should still be above Housen, but his narrative quality for now isn't very good, since he himself implies that Ayanokouji cannot win against him, but according to Ayanokouji, he is only having a slight advantage in a specific scenario.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

I will bump just in case (Sorry to disturb you)

Well going over stuff my comments would be as follows:

All Profiles:

• All of these scans are cropped LN passages. Those are fine, but for literature a source is what novel or volume said that feat appears in rather than a scan of the book itself.
• The Win / Loss / Inconclusive sections do not need to be split into different tabbers unless the person has been in literally so many matches it becomes a problem for profile readability.
• I'm unsure if a baton actually counts as Extended Melee Range

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka:

• The sections for his physical stats look a bit weird. I don't see why they require different tabbers for separation when they're relatively short and one key is just upscaling from another key
• The intelligence section while well sourced can probably be cut down into one block in my view, since there's redundant information in all three sections

Shiro / Yuki

• There's no reason to split their combat and general IQ if they're both the same rating. The reason we do it for people like Goku is that he has a turnip brain for general purpose but is a good fighter.
• There is no actual AP justification. Being superior to X doesn't mean much without showing a scene or scan where they are superior to X
• There is no actual speed justification. You have to show a scene on why they're superior or comparable to someone else
• The profile for durability has him scale to 4.6 Kilojoules while saying he's withstanding attacks from someone rated at 13-15 Kilojoules. Which doesn't make sense
• You have "higher with stun gun" for the profile but "several meters with stun gun" for other profiles. They should all (presumably) be the same range
• Despite having a baton and stun gun listed the character is not given them as standard equipment

Takuya Yagami

• There's no source for photographic memory despite the rest of their stuff having a source
• I don't think dodging an attack from someone you know is there is Enhanced Awareness. Though its probably a skill feat
• The previous complaints about AP and Speed scaling still apply
• The same complaint about intelligence being split can still apply

Ichika Amasawa

• There's no source for her Charm ability
• The same complaint about intelligence being split can still apply

The rest look alright I think

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Well going over stuff my comments would be as follows:

All Profiles:

• All of these scans are cropped LN passages. Those are fine, but for literature a source is what novel or volume said that feat appears in rather than a scan of the book itself.

I don't understand what you mean with this, I'm sorry ;-;

• The Win / Loss / Inconclusive sections do not need to be split into different tabbers unless the person has been in literally so many matches it becomes a problem for profile readability.

It's mainly to make the profile look good really

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka:

• The sections for his physical stats look a bit weird. I don't see why they require different tabbers for separation when they're relatively short and one key is just upscaling from another key

The intelligence and Standard tactic are different, Also to make the profile look good

• The intelligence section while well sourced can probably be cut down into one block in my view, since there's redundant information in all three sections

I want to keep it as it is, Because i think it makes the profile look good (Beautiful to say the least)

Shiro / Yuki

• There's no reason to split their combat and general IQ if they're both the same rating. The reason we do it for people like Goku is that he has a turnip brain for general purpose but is a good fighter.

Alright

• There is no actual AP justification. Being superior to X doesn't mean much without showing a scene or scan where they are superior to X

The reason for this is because they did the level 10 curriculum, While Takuya and Ichika did level 4 with level 10 being considered an extreme level of training that the 5th generation (Level 4) had no hope to achieve

• There is no actual speed justification. You have to show a scene on why they're superior or comparable to someone else

Same as the above

• The profile for durability has him scale to 4.6 Kilojoules while saying he's withstanding attacks from someone rated at 13-15 Kilojoules. Which doesn't make sense

Ayanokouji wasn't at his absolute peak when he was sparring with Shiro or Yuki

• You have "higher with stun gun" for the profile but "several meters with stun gun" for other profiles. They should all (presumably) be the same range

I did not notice it, I will fix it XD

• Despite having a baton and stun gun listed the character is not given them as standard equipment

They are optional equipment because they trained with them but don't always use them

Takuya Yagami

• There's no source for photographic memory despite the rest of their stuff having a source

I will get le scans

• I don't think dodging an attack from someone you know is there is Enhanced Awareness. Though its probably a skill feat

It's not dodging an attack from someone you know, Ibuki went for a sneak attack against Takuya which he evaded and countered her without looking

• The previous complaints about AP and Speed scaling still apply

The 4.6 KJ AP comes from Takuya and Ichika being superior than Manabu who tanked a fall from the 2nd floor

While the speed feat comes from Ichika upscaling by a very good margin Housen who did a feat close to subsonic, And speed blitzed Kushida to the point she registered the sound of the punch after already being at the ground

As for Takuya, He perception (or reaction) blitzed Ichika

Yuki and Shiro have done the level 10 of the white room which is vastly superior than the level 4 which automatically makes them superior than Takuya and Ichika

• The same complaint about intelligence being split can still apply

They have their own intelligence feats that come from outside of the WR

Ichika Amasawa

• There's no source for her Charm ability

I will get it

• The same complaint about intelligence being split can still apply

What i said above

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Resistence to

• Analytical prediction (In her fight with Suzune, she completely out-predicted Suzune, to the point where she could out-read Suzune's mind and even told her where she was wrong in her analysis)

This is not a resistance to analytical prediction... Just more justification for her own analytical prediction skill/potency. It's just a counter, you don't get resistance to skill just because you have better skill/intelligence and was able to counter them

• Supernatural Willpower (Made it to level 10 when level 5-6 is considered the limit of human development)

• Supernatural Willpower (Made it to level 10 when level fifth or sixth is considered the limit of human development. It was found that normal subjects actually die from the sheer trauma of the White Room trainin, Ayanokouji considered another subject Yuki as mentally dead after reading her behavior, which also proves the extent of White Room training, Ayanokouji was able to endure it and was able to adapt with the society thereafter, as shown in his older self)

These are not proof of supernatural willpower, limit of human development does not need to indicate anything to do with one's willpower, and being able to endure better than someone, Just because the other person is depressed and the other wasn't, is very unquantifiable stuff... We have no way of knowing how he endured it and even then enduring something better than someone that's already unquantifiable doesn't suggest or mean anything

There's a difference between having high endurance and high willpower, even then the endurance part doesn't seem anything supernatural to it as well

Otherwise, from a quick glance the other abilities seem fine and most of Qawsedf234 complaints from a quick glance seem valid as well, unless there's more backing/evidence of the things mentioned

 

[XxZetsuxX]

This is not a resistance to analytical prediction... Just more justification for her own analytical prediction skill/potency. It's just a counter, you don't get resistance to skill just because you have better skill/intelligence and was able to counter them

Suzune was predicting her moves via face, Shoulder and leg movement and failed miserably because of Ichika's own ANPR

Takuya had the same training as Ichika and it was outright stated by Ichika herself iirc that Takuya was better than her in everything related to combat and intelligence

So anything Ichika learned, Takuya can automatically do better

These are not proof of supernatural willpower, limit of human development does not need to indicate anything to do with one's willpower, and being able to endure better than someone, Just because the other person is depressed and the other wasn't, is very unquantifiable stuff... We have no way of knowing how he endured it and even then enduring something better than someone that's already unquantifiable doesn't suggest or mean anything

These were argued in a previous thread and it was accepted (Reggor gave a more detailed reason as to why it should be supernatural)

There's a difference between having high endurance and high willpower, even then the endurance part doesn't seem anything supernatural to it as well

See above

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Suzune was predicting her moves via face, Shoulder and leg movement and failed miserably because of Ichika's own ANPR

Takuya had the same training as Ichika and it was outright stated by Ichika herself iirc that Takuya was better than her in everything related to combat and intelligence

So anything Ichika learned, Takuya can automatically do better

yee and that's not a resistance.

Having greater ap for example wouldn't get you resistant to attack potency... Or being able to launch stronger air than someone else doesn't give you a resistance... Just a counter and justification for their Air manipulation ability

These were argued in a previous thread and it was accepted (Reggor gave a more detailed reason as to why it should be supernatural)

For the supernatural willpower part, I will add only one thing and that is the fact that the previous thread made for its downgrade was genuinely taken way out of context. The feats demonstrated by the kids from the White Room AREN'T COMPARABLE to irl cases, primarily because they were around newborns to 9-year-olds by that time, plus, the White Room training itself is described to be above a peak human level. These kids were thrown around and trashed daily by instructors, not getting up caused them more trouble than they already had. With that, I think it is pretty much uncontroversial for the entire part.

The previous thread avoided debates and spread a ton of misinformation about the feats.

It tried to downgrade the feats because some people like Jacques Roellinger were able to endure severe injuries which could have resulted into fatal results but didn't. It tries to explain this IRL feat as willpower, when it is just the person having the will to live and being lucky enough to have blood clot over all his injuries so he doesn't suffer blood loss and an eventual death. It is to be noted that this one person was never hit with something which was directly fatal. In fact, through VSBW standards it would pretty much be an athletic-peak human pain tolerance feat. Plus, thank God that this person didn't get all those injuries in one blow and could eventually recover and show enough resilience to eventually serve his country.

Also, it used an example of Andreas Mihavecz where he could stay hungry and live with minimal water for 18 days. I don't know why this is an example to downgrade the feat.

But none of these things above actually even come close to the torture of the White Room. First of all, yes, students were tortured in the White Room (already scanned). So, this means that they were being dominated, so both the examples above don't come close to this.

The time for which they endured this torture would be 5-9 years (for both Shiro and Yuki, around 10-14 years for Ayanokouji). Also, these kids were around 9 years of age when these feats took place. I couldn't find any source on the internet where kids have endured this much, in fact, most of the kids at this age can die from shocks by even things like being trapped in an elevator in an electricity outage, they were bullied, nope, thrown around, to the point where they would have to stand up, it wasn't cared if they were a girl, and they even sprayed vomits right out from just the bullying:

It is even mentioned that they were sent to the brink of death (and seeing this, they were). If you see the above scan, you should note that their mental resilience was tested, even when the kids were seemingly just paralyzed. Also, this is when the 4th-gen is only 4 years old. Now, imagine enduring all of this for 5 years, and for almost daily, and as a kid, where even normal shocks are more than enough to scar someone for life.

Plus, another reason why the White Room training isn't comparable to any IRL examples is because the training is itself above what a peak human should be able to perform. Around 5 years is like 1827 days and being tortured for such a long time isn't a child's play.

We also know for a fact that the post-White Room trauma was not curable by even huge counselling shows and isolation treatment, but both Shiro and Ayanokouji didn't suffer any of those ill-effects of trauma.

Unless you can find a case where kids of ages this small could endure that much, which you cannot considering how it is literally illegal to conduct experiments like White Room IRL, and they cannot design a "higher than peak human" curriculum either way. We have already accepted enduring the White Room curriculum till level 10 as a superhuman stamina and pain tolerance feat, I don't know why there are doubts for them having no willpower, even though willpower matters a lot in this case.

These? Or which ones..? Because these statements does not prove/provide willpower feats and in that same thread that I got these posts, it doesn't seem to have been accepted from what I've seen, unless it's another thread or I'm missing something?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

yee and that's not a resistance.

Having greater ap for example wouldn't get you resistant to attack potency... Or being able to launch stronger air than someone else doesn't give you a resistance... Just a counter and justification for their Air manipulation ability

It is actually

Not only is Ichika out predicting her but she is also resisting it

Here;

These? Or which ones..? Because these statements does not prove/provide willpower feats and in that same thread that I got these posts, it doesn't seem to have been accepted from what I've seen, unless it's another thread or I'm missing something?

This one;

Supernatural Willpower: (Made it to level 10 when level 5-6 is considered the limit of human development) - Applies to Shiro and Ayanokouji Kiyotaka

Reasonings of why these are really supernatural willpower:
- I will try to point out things from the narratives to match a few standards set for Supernatural Willpower. And this time, it is going to be an essay. These are the standards:

Although some characters can be considered to have a great will to achieve their goals or give their all in a fight, characters that have a willpower on this level can go vastly beyond what should logically be possible for them, with more extreme cases being able to oppose natural phenomena such as death.

Characters with this ability may be able to resist enormous amounts of pain, act even when unconscious or well beyond what they should be able to endure, resist possession and mind control, affect their environment, or even go against natural phenomena, such as death or the limits imposed by reality.

• First of all, let's talk about the one who was really close to getting this, it would be Yuki, one of the last few survivors of the 4th generation. But, due to her reaching her potential, and excessive trauma, she was forced to drop out. When she has dropped out, little is known about what happened to her, but when Ayanokouji has completed the Beta Curriculum, he is asked to meet Yuki, and a lot more information was revealed about her, including the fact of how traumatic the White Room can be.
• White Room is an awfully good training program, while it had shown awesome results in the children, it was overly strict with the children. Children were kicked around by adults and were subject to violence, despite their gender or how weak or inferior they might be, and were forced to get up, no matter how crippled or tired they would be. Ayanokouji mentioned that he cried at first, but then he realized that nobody would have come to help him, note that this happened when he was just a newborn.
• Coming to Yuki, she was badly traumatized, to the point where she couldn't even meet people from then on (note that Yuki's father didn't even mention White Room, he paused. This indicates that just the name of the White Room was enough). All of this is happening when they are age 14, so she has around more than 5 years to recover from the trauma, but it was mentioned that no counseling show could cure it. Yuki's father was worried about her, and he was also rich, so it is good to assume that the therapies Yuki received should be by well-qualified therapists and counselors. For the final, Ayanokouji was shocked that Yuki was still alive but affirmed that everything was potentially over for her, and that he felt like he was facing a dead person.
• Coming to exceeding your own limits, Suzukake had himself designed a program which pushed humans beyond their capabilities. In fact, level 5 was the limit, even after they were pushed beyond what they could do. Though this should give a considerable amount of willpower to anyone who's going beyond the level 5 or 6, I think we can still discard the thought of giving this to Yuki because she was still suffering from trauma after whatever happened to her, which was not cured for a good amount of time, and that, it probably never will be.
• Furthermore, it should be noted that the characters proposed for this did it when they were less than 9 years of age. Less than 9 years is crazy, a 9-year-old kid is gullible, innocent and violent attacks and trauma can absolutely be lethal to them if they don't show resilience against it.
• For reasons above, Ayanokouji Kiyotaka and Shiro should have Supernatural Willpower. I tried to find similar stuff which might have taken place IRL, but there were no signs of anything even being comparable to this, due to unrealistic nature of White Room.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

It is actually

Not only is Ichika out predicting her but she is also resisting it

it simply is not, they aren't resistant being read... They are still being read only that the other character is reading even further... Countering them. There's no resistance

• First of all, let's talk about the one who was really close to getting this, it would be Yuki, one of the last few survivors of the 4th generation. But, due to her reaching her potential, and excessive trauma, she was forced to drop out. When she has dropped out, little is known about what happened to her, but when Ayanokouji has completed the Beta Curriculum, he is asked to meet Yuki, and a lot more information was revealed about her, including the fact of how traumatic the White Room can be.
• White Room is an awfully good training program, while it had shown awesome results in the children, it was overly strict with the children. Children were kicked around by adults and were subject to violence, despite their gender or how weak or inferior they might be, and were forced to get up, no matter how crippled or tired they would be. Ayanokouji mentioned that he cried at first, but then he realized that nobody would have come to help him, note that this happened when he was just a newborn.
• Coming to Yuki, she was badly traumatized, to the point where she couldn't even meet people from then on (note that Yuki's father didn't even mention White Room, he paused. This indicates that just the name of the White Room was enough). All of this is happening when they are age 14, so she has around more than 5 years to recover from the trauma, but it was mentioned that no counseling show could cure it. Yuki's father was worried about her, and he was also rich, so it is good to assume that the therapies Yuki received should be by well-qualified therapists and counselors. For the final, Ayanokouji was shocked that Yuki was still alive but affirmed that everything was potentially over for her, and that he felt like he was facing a dead person.
• Coming to exceeding your own limits, Suzukake had himself designed a program which pushed humans beyond their capabilities. In fact, level 5 was the limit, even after they were pushed beyond what they could do. Though this should give a considerable amount of willpower to anyone who's going beyond the level 5 or 6, I think we can still discard the thought of giving this to Yuki because she was still suffering from trauma after whatever happened to her, which was not cured for a good amount of time, and that, it probably never will be.
• Furthermore, it should be noted that the characters proposed for this did it when they were less than 9 years of age. Less than 9 years is crazy, a 9-year-old kid is gullible, innocent and violent attacks and trauma can absolutely be lethal to them if they don't show resilience against it.
• For reasons above, Ayanokouji Kiyotaka and Shiro should have Supernatural Willpower. I tried to find similar stuff which might have taken place IRL, but there were no signs of anything even being comparable to this, due to unrealistic nature of White Room.

Yee these are not proof, they've gained higher mental endurance and resistance towards pain and was able to adapt to it better than the rest... There's no proof they've used their willpower to endure and overcome something...

Willpower is based on you wanting something and being ambitious towards something and using that in a supernatural way, kids getting tortured over and over until they feel no pain for example and are fine afterwards has nothing to do with willpower unless specifically stated... They've gained, I'm assuming, superhuman endurance and mental fortitude... Not supernatural willpower

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Yee these are not proof, they've gained higher mental endurance and resistance towards pain and was able to adapt to it better than the rest... There's no proof they've used their willpower to endure and overcome something...

Willpower is based on you wanting something and being ambitious towards something and using that in a supernatural way, kids getting tortured over and over until they feel no pain for example and are fine afterwards has nothing to do with willpower unless specifically stated... They've gained, I'm assuming, superhuman endurance and mental fortitude... Not supernatural willpower

They literally had to get up and fight despite being tired, Injured and after vomiting all over the floor

But if this doesn't convince you, I will pull my secret card (Reggor will help me)

 

[XxZetsuxX]

it simply is not, they aren't resistant being read... They are still being read only that the other character is reading even further... Countering them. There's no resistance

Reggor will explain it better than i am, As he was the one who suggested adding resistence to ANPR

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

But if this doesn't convince you, I will pull my secret card (Reggor will help me)

Reggor is simply not him, don't let him deceive you

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Reggor is simply not him, don't let him deceive you

Lol XD

 

[ODMvZfr]

But if this doesn't convince you, I will pull my secret card (Reggor will help me)

"Mahoraga help me!!" Ahh comment