The chess engines you call alpha zero have a total of 20 million moves, they cannot apply them in the match, also reality>fiction, we adapt everything in reality, even the moves of chess engines, to fiction. No chess engine in fiction is superior to reality, and comparing chess engines with Magnus Carlsen, who is currently the best in the world, is an insult to Magnus, whatever you say. You can't objectively put him against Magnus Carlsen because he is the pinnacle of chess.
Current chess engines are much better than Alpha Zero
Magnus Carlsen would lose. I agree that he's a legend. But being a legend doesn't make you win. It's like saying that just because Mike Tyson is a legend, he will be able to take on a dude with a machine gun in his hand from long range. Even though Magnus Carlsen is a good player, comparing him to a chess engine is the same comparison as comparing Mike Tyson to a dude with a machine gun. The comparison is very bad. I don't know where you got this information of Magnus Carlsen being able to defeat chess engines, but it is very false. You will lose every match against AlphaZero. Even Stockfish was beaten by AlphaZero. No grandmaster is above 3000 FIDE rating, while these chess engines go above 3500 and AlphaZero is in the range of 4000s to 4500s or even above. Even a 100 difference in ELO is a huge difference at that level.
Ayanokoji is better than a futuristic one at that. If magnus is the peak then Ayanokoji would qualify for extraordinary genius.
The evidence behind it being from the future is lackluster.
Chess computers could no longer be defeated after 2005. The last "official" loss of a chess machine against a human was that. After that, nothing really changed much, except for the fact that chess machines got 10 times better in around a decade. Secondly, asking for evidence for COTE being futuristic is like asking for evidence for an anime having characters set in a setting where they use stone tools and have mud houses being in a stone age setting.
We all know that chess success does not make Ayanokoji an extraordinary genius. You continue to hide behind this feat. It doesn't matter that no one can defeat this or that he has 20 million moves in total, it is a bad feat because he cannot use these 20 million moves in a single match.
But he can use the best moves in the 20 million moves pool to always be superior than his opponent.
Actually it’s pretty straight forward.
Which is roughly when Ayanokouji beat a chess engine.
I said lackluster. The proof is unconvincing.
The feat takes place when he is in ANHS. So, in the OP, when you mention that he should be in ANHS in 2015 or somewhere, this would mean that it would be more than 2015. It was a decade after mankind actually recorded an official victory from a chess machine. Uh, so you were heavily misinformed all along? Change the OP, the feat is from Y1V11 and has no chances of taking place in 2005s when you believe that ANHS arc started in 2015 in the setting.
Tbh this if getting very bad. It's almost like you are voluntarily taking his feats as normal on purpose. I remember in the thread where you took his willpower as that of normal human just because you thought a random human from IRL had a better feat than him. Welp, Ayanokouji beat one of the most talented adults when he was a kid, at some point, the training becomes so hard that even adults cannot do anything, so why do we still think that?
Ok dude. That thread was accepted so who's really wrong (please stop replying in this thread its going nowhere).Tbh this if getting very bad. It's almost like you are voluntarily taking his feats as normal on purpose. I remember in the thread where you took his willpower as that of normal human just because you thought a random human from IRL had a better feat than him. Welp, Ayanokouji beat one of the most talented adults when he was a kid, at some point, the training becomes so hard that even adults cannot do anything, so why do we still think that?
You obviously
Why is it so hard for you guys to realise I'm not going to accept the sources "trust me bro" and some random 28 page document as proof. The fact Rogger still hasn't bothered to send links of scans to his argument is a tell tale sign he's not worth arguing with.You obviously
I disagree with everything FRA. The OP and his people haven't really presented a substantial counterargument to all of Rogger points.
Thank you for informing us that you don't read COTE. If you don't trust his words, you could have asked for proof. The fact that you think a thoroughly explained document with scans is just some random files tells me who is really least worth arguing with here. You didn't even bother reading it because you know it would hurt your sorry excuse for an argument.
When did anyone who was in disagreement to this thread ever use the "trust me bro" argument?
Which scan did I not send a link to? All the scans are from the light novel. COTE has a light novel, and the manga/anime is just its adaptation, you know?
Every single claim. The only time you sent a link was to some 28 page google doc... I don't need to read 28 pages of it just send me an imgurr link or something.
Half of that 28 pages doc is just scans lol.
I'm not reading 14 pages of scans for a simple feat. Either imgurr it (for the sake of everyone) or stop debating and wait for staff.
For which thing exactly do you want the scans for?
Provide evidence that one: Ayanokouji was going against a futuristic chess engine. Two: Ayanokouji's age when going against said chess engine.
I already said that it was just a belief and there's no way to confirm it as the light novel never really mentioned it (aside from the retcon), but the things would be the concept of ANHS. The school itself possesses the best technology and is very advanced. But the most convincing is the existence of White Room. The program itself was designed to increase the human potential even beyond its limits. Secondly, there's a concrete thing to believe it, thanks to one of my friends.
The chess match takes place in Y1V11C8 but Tsukishiro revealed in C10 how Ayanokouji out-calculated each and every dedicated machine and personnel he had set to monitor their moves. Ayanokouji is 17 years old at that moment.
This is completely false. A chess engine doesn't work like that, unless you can make a move before a chess engine analyzes the entire board, you will never make a better move than it. Here's some stuff behind it. A part of the reason why AlphaZero can beat Stockfish is because AlphaZero has better computing power, and better branching patterns. A chess engine branches moves. Like, if I moved a rook and I am trying to target 3 pieces at once in the next 3 moves, a chess engine will pretty much just see it and make a counter move. In fact, it would already know that I can move a rook before I even move it, and it itself makes a position in which that rook wouldn't do anything. A chess engine DOESN'T START from the basics like it used to in 90s, but now, it just analyzes the position. That's why, its main focus is always on the active pieces, it doesn't work like BEFORE when it analyzed literally every piece. That's why, beating a chess engine for a human is impossible IRL, unless you are fast enough to do a calculation before it can reach that move. Secondly, not only did he outcalculate many chess machines, but also a team of chess personnel.
