Naruto: Kaguya Otsutsuki Regeneration Downgrade

[DaReaperMan]

This is unnecessary as Hell. Not everyone has time to rush out responses for VSBW, and a long post like Slayer's is naturally going to take a long time to reply to.

Damage, you honestly think I'm serious on that? Like, honest to whatever you find holy, do you think I'm serious on "3 hours later..." which is literally a SpongeBob meme if I recall correctly

 

[Damage3245]

Damage, you honestly think I'm serious on that? Like, honest to whatever you find holy, do you think I'm serious on "3 hours later..." which is literally a SpongeBob meme if I recall correctly

I can't read into whether you're being serious or joking in the original post like that. Just for future's reference, it's not good to appear like you're pressuring someone to respond.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I can't read into whether you're being serious or joking in the original post like that. Just for future's reference, it's not good to appear like you're pressuring someone to respond.

With me it's generally better to assume I'm dicking around outside of an actual active debate

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

The stuff with victor and the tree mostly seem like what victor thinks will happen so does it have any basis? Also becoming chakra and then reforming seems kind of weird but if we treat it as regeneration then all good.

 

[Damage3245]

The simplest possible interpretation we can gleam purely from what we see, as per Occam's Razor, is that Kaguya was reduced to pure chakra, and reformed her body from it. This is textbook regeneration if I've ever seen any. "Character X was reduced to something, character X reforms their body to its normal state from said something". In my eyes, it's exceedingly simple. Any further interpretations require weird assumptions that simply can't be supported by anything from the series itself. The burden of proof is on ya'll to assert a claim that requires us to make further assumptions beyond the most obvious thing we literally see in front of us.

I'll wait to see what KingTempest has to say in his full response - but I personally don't consider this to be straightforward regeneration.

I think that characters could transform themselves into an "energy"/chakra state and transform back into their flesh-and-blood body and it could count purely as just a Transformation and not a form of Regeneration.

If a character for example had the ability to liquify their body and then turn back into a solid, I wouldn't automatically give them Low-High regeneration. Regeneration is primarily the ability to recover from wounds. The turning into water and then back to normal is not doing that. For another example I wouldn't say that Buggy the Clown has Regeneration either just because he can be "reduced to pieces" and then return back to normal.

I know there's a lot more to your post than just this, but I wouldn't to focus in on this line and try to explain my point of view on it a little.

 

[Kachon123]

but it's conveniently come to the attention of all the One Piece fandom as an issue worth addressing right when the Law vs Kaguya thread was reaching its breaking point. I'm not one to accuse people of making spite threads, but ya'll's tones and the way you've been conducting yourselves really isn't helping your case here. VS battles get heated, that's fine, and I don't care. It's when ya'll start messing with my profiles that I start to take issue.

This is dumb on so many levels.

First off, claiming that something is spite, simply because someone is mad that people were arguing in a versus match what they believe is innacurate is just false. I advise you to search up the definition of spite, because you clearly have the wrong idea.

Secondly, making a thread based on inaccuracies that were shoved in your face in a versus match isn't a bad thing.

Third, saying that people are messing with "your profiles" by making a CRT is incredibly egotistical and just makes you sound like an asshole.

To be honest, I can understand why you're upset, but you're not making yourself look any better than the people you're bashing by talking like this.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Aight aight let’s let that be the last thing said about people’s personal character and motives and keep everything thread relevant from here on out

 

[Damage3245]

@Kachon123; please refrain from making those kinds of posts in the future. As Arc7Kuroi said, we shouldn't be attacking each other's personal motives here.

@UchihaSlayer96; that goes for you too by the way.

 

[Godernet]

Slayer’s post aside for now,

Griffin’s point on Kaguya’s All-Killing Ash Bones being the original variant of Kimimaro’s Kekkai Genkai should at least squash the idea that Kaguya has 0 regen.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

The idea that this was a "transformation" is quite frankly asinine. We've seen Bijuu transformations many, many times in the series, and it is never, ever, like this. It's always either a relatively instantaneous affair, or a slightly gradual one, depending on which showing you choose to look at. In both cases, it never matches what we see Kaguya do here. Furthermore, we've never seen any Bijuu willingly turn into pure chakra, and then transform back into their physical form. It's not an ability they have, nor is it something they have shown at any stage in the series. Their true forms are indeed pure chakra, as I've shown, but they don't have the ability to willingly change their forms in that way. There's also the fact that Kaguya didn't willingly transform here. Naruto's Bijuu Rasenshurikens ****** with the Bijuu inside her and caused her to take on this unstable form, without her willing or controlling it. She then was reduced to that chakra state, and willed her body back into its original state.

The reforming from Juubi thing isn't the most solid imo. As others have mentioned, she could've just transformed, or alternatively she could've been in the core of that sphere and the chakra just unwrapped around her.

The OP has failed to provide a single piece of evidence for that being the case. Not a reference, not a scan, not a quote, nothing. I mean, am I just supposed to take your word on that? Where's the proof? We can't just make interpretations based on nothing and then pass them off as facts. Now, I have tried to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, and attempted looking through the manga and Databook to see if this came from anywhere. So far I have found absolutely nothing that points to this being the case. It's possible that I missed something, but it's also not my job to comb through everything and prove the OP's points for them. It's the OP's responsibility to provide that evidence, not mine. As such, I'll be moving forward with the conclusion that this claim has no factual basis in the manga until proof to the contrary is presented.

The argument against the Juubi boosting Hashirama regen is kind weak too. Considering it should boost all abilities, it doesn't need a specific statement. That's like asking for a specific statement that Six Paths chakra makes fire style stronger. Kaguya's regen should be >Hashirama's tho

I'd also like to speak more to the context behind Kaguya's statement. It really has to include regeneration because the implication is very clearly that she can't be killed by Team 7 in any way. This makes sense as these guys only ever tried and aimed to seal her away. This is literally all they ever tried to do. And because I know someone will mention this, yes, Kaguya is stronger than them, but it's not like they were completely incapable of landing attacks and/or damaging her at several junctures. So now I have to appeal to ya'll's common sense. Does this fight, when looked at in context, make any level of sense if Naruto or Kakashi could have just ended it at any point by simply decapitating Kaguya or stabbing her in the heart? Why wouldn't they? Why and how would Madara and Kaguya being immortal and impossible to take down even work if that were the case? Are all of these characters just morons? I think the answers to all of these questions are rather obvious if you've been paying attention and read my post in good faith.[/SPOILER]

Her saying she's immortal doesn't have to refer to the ETSO, it can just as easily be in reference to Team 7 being unable to kill her physically, which is even suggested by her saying they can't defeat her if one of them is killed. It's not like she has to be destroyed by the TSO. There's the possibility that she'll withstand it or control the TSO to not touch her cause you know it's her jutsu and TSOs are very malleable. The scene's too vague to draw a concrete conclusion from it.

So yeah, Kaguya for sure has regeneration, probably above Juubidara's, but I'm kinda neutral on her being able to reform from her whole body being obliterated.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

I'll wait to see what KingTempest has to say in his full response - but I personally don't consider this to be straightforward regeneration.

I think that characters could transform themselves into an "energy"/chakra state and transform back into their flesh-and-blood body and it could count purely as just a Transformation and not a form of Regeneration.

If a character for example had the ability to liquify their body and then turn back into a solid, I wouldn't automatically give them Low-High regeneration. Regeneration is primarily the ability to recover from wounds. The turning into water and then back to normal is not doing that. For another example I wouldn't say that Buggy the Clown has Regeneration either just because he can be "reduced to pieces" and then return back to normal.

I know there's a lot more to your post than just this, but I wouldn't to focus in on this line and try to explain my point of view on it a little.

I also agree with that.

 

[KingTempest]

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Finally

Welcome to this headass excuse of a thread UchihaSlayer.
I hope you enjoy the rest of it, cause I know I won't.

Spoiler: KT's Rant

I say I know I won't because I am utterly annoyed with this verse at the moment, and that annoyance was just multiplied by like 400x reading your response.

Because this thread was honestly made as a counter thread to the Law vs Kaguya versus thread, noting something I disagreed with and I made a thread about it.

But the hostility isn't from there at all.

Because in the past week, on and off site, I've been getting disrespected in every angle possible by the scalers of this verse, about this verse. Passive aggression, subtle aggression, open aggression, messages separate from places I can't see that I end up finding out about.

Now, I'm gonna be the one to say it, we don't care about yall profiles. I don't mean that we don't care about accuracy or that we don't care about the work put into it, but we don't care. This isn't a spite thread. It's a thread to fix a correction in something I feel is extremely wrong. And this being pointed, even partially, to the One Piece fandom, when I blatantly left the One Piece fandom, and tying me into it, is what's aggravating me more.
This isn't a thread from the One Piece fandom. This is a thread from me.

Now, miss me with the "this is unbecoming of the staff", I don't give a damn. I've already heard it, and I'm tired of people bringing up me being a staff whenever I'm frustrated from being insulted and memed. Me being a staff isn't gonna stop me from being upset.

I didn't want to be staff. I lost friends by becoming staff. When I became a staff I still didn't want to be a staff. When I attempted to resign they ignored it and kept me on a "break" instead of a retiring. When I was finally happy about becoming staff, I caught in bullshit that got me demoted for the first 3 months of this year, getting laughed at and clowned because of my demotion (mf did it in this thread above this message), accused of ulterior motives because of my demotion, and more.

So don't bring up how I'm supposed to be a role model and a pillar of the community, because this is the same community who isn't grateful for shit I've done, bashes me for shit I didn't do, and never fails to piss me off. So with all due respect, stay in your lane.

I have no moral obligation to be Martin Luther King Jr. for the fandoms and let them run into the horizon singing kumbaya together. There is no issue with the Naruto fandom from the One Piece fandom. There is an issue with the things we disagree with being interpreted as spite or resent because that verse has been getting hit with ridiculously massive downgrades recently, and people thinking every time the verse's scalers even say "Naruto", it's in preparation for a counter thread.

Now I'm gonna give you grace, because you weren't in the Law vs Kaguya thread, you didn't see my frustration. You weren't a part of it, and I can't blame you for something you weren't even involved in. Every time the fandom pisses me off, you're the mediator who tells them to cut it out.

So I'm gonna end this rant with a message that I genuinely believe needs to be heard.

I apologize for holding up your revisions. You have put in more than what you've needed to put in, and it's an honorable endeavor.

Do not involve the One Piece fandom with this thread. The One Piece fandom and the Naruto fandom has been coexisting lately, with the One Piece fandom noticing more of Naruto's bullshit, and the Naruto fandom noticing more of One Piece's bullshit.

The verse's scalers can suck the skin off my dick for all I care. I don't regret being upset for being insulted, at all. My aggression is towards dickeaters who happily dickeat without repercussions. and unfortunately a plethora of this verse's scalers fit that description.

Now to the actual rebuttal to the the argument you delivered.

Basically, you made some good points, you made some bad points, you made some irrelevant points, and you made some flat out false ones.

Spoiler: The Actual Counter

"Kaguya has no Regeneration":​

You must not know what regeneration means. You and everybody else in here.
This is just like people giving characters resistance to Genjutsu for falling for it and breaking out instead of calling it mind hax negation.

Regeneration is an accelerated healing factor. A healing factor, something that all human beings utilize, is passive.
Majin Buu, Wolverine, Piccolo, Homunculi, Deadpool, Mahito, Edo Tensei, Demon Slayer demons, Dio Brando. Names of people who just regenerate.

What Kaguya does it not regeneration, as that is not an accelerated healing factor. Her regular healing factor is dogshit.
Kaguya morphs into a form, and brings herself back into the previous form.
That is not regeneration.
That is a glorified body control that brings back previously destroyed things.

You sound like you consider the transformation between a jinchuriki and a tailed beast regeneration, since they're turning into pure chakra and coming back.

Bijuu are pure chakra yes, but you misconstrued it for everybody else in here.
Bijuu are pure chakra given physical form. They were turned into beings (made out of chakra) that can create their own chakra. They have their own organs made of chakra. That's why in the scan you sent, we can see the difference between Kurama and its chakra. We see it again here.

They were made from the creation of all things. Kakashi's eye was too. Are we gonna say Kakashi's eye is just pure chakra?

They are not just chakra. They are living ninjutsu.
Ninjutsu is turning chakra into different things. Naruto turning his chakra into clones. People turning it into fire, earth, water, air (avatar), lightning.
Hagoromo turned them into beasts made of chakra.
That's why they can bleed (their blood is made of chakra). That's why they can cry.

If you hit Shukaku you don't hit chakra, you hit sand. Shadow clones don't walk around existing as energy. We accept chakra transforming into natural lightning. It isn't just "energy" anymore, it's transmutated energy into physical things.

There is a state of swamping forms that a Jinchuriki does where they transform into their bijuu. They do not turn into the literal chakra. They turn into the forms they have.

Chakra regularly is an usually invisible intangible substance created from 2 energies that can be turned into things.

Also, Kaguya being "reduced to pure chakra" is asinine. Kaguya was transformed into a form that was also physical, as it could make contact with clones (you can see the smack) and be hit by physical shuriken.

Kaguya is turned into a physical beast. She is not turning into raw energy. She is turning into a beast that is made of raw energy.

Also, please don't compare it to logia regen. That was a horrible argument.
Logia regen is the regeneration of their elemental forms, which has nothing to do with their true bodies. Re healing from ice wouldn't bring back a missing leg, but if you're turned into an ice molecule, you'll come back. Kuzan for example, who can go from a piece of ice the size of a finger to a whole humanoid block of ice, but can't regenerate his leg.
Which is why we have regen for things like cars.

Low: For machines and vehicles, this would just be regenerating basic exterior damage.

Mid-Low: For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating damage that would normally leave large dents and openings.

High-Low: For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating some interior damage, along with some minor critically damaged or destroyed parts.

Low-Mid: For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating minor parts and more extensive internal damage.

Mid: For machines and vehicles, this would be regenerating from the destruction of critical parts, such as the engine.

Low-High: For robots and machines, this can also include regenerating from a liquid state.

This is saying her "true body" was wounded, then she turned into "raw energy" and came back to her "true body" healed. A better example would be her humanoid form existing how it is, but then her bijuu form loses all its tails and grows them back, but that damage is never reflected on her. That's a better example.

"The Juubi has no Regeneration":​

I didn't argue for or against it. I just asked for instances of it happening. So I don't care for this.

Why Hashirama's cells are irrelevant:​

The point was missed. Heavily. By everybody in here.

I never said that their feats of regen came from the Hashirama cells.
I said that their regeneration was probably an amplified form of their Hashirama cells from the Juubi, caused by the Juubi amplifying their current abilities.

You know there's a possibility that the juubi just... amplified his current abilities... right?

Or what, can the Juubi now use Chibaku Tensei? Since Madara made like 30 of them when the best feat prior with it was just making one.

I fail to see why my skepticism on the regen is shaky when you guys are saying Kaguya would regenerate from eventually getting ****** up by an orb she wasn't shown to get hit by.

This claim here about there's nothing saying it's the Hashirama cells falls to the Juubi as well. There's nothing saying it's the juubi in them that allows them to regenerate to that capacity.

All your points about them with just the cells are irrelevant to my claim.

On top of that. No.
The large stamina comes from Asura, but the regeneration aspect is a Hashirama specific aspect.
There is a difference from inheriting his giant damn life force, and inheriting an ability to regenerate.
The ability to heal his body specifically because of his own ability. Or else Naruto would've gotten the same exact thing for being an Uzumaki and Ashura's reincarnation, which he doesn't have, and only has due to Kurama's chakra.

Hashirama's regeneration comes from his many different medical ninjutsus that he doesn't require signs to utilize, but his cells still have extremely high levels of vitality that give others an increased healing factor.

Addressing Kaguya's "anti-feats":​

1) Yeah. Obito doing that is called healing, not regeneration. Same as Madara and Sakura, which is why Obito said in your scan that Sakura would need to take time into healing herself, which is different from passive regeneration.

You know the difference between them and her?
They don't need to transform into kaiju in order to activate their regen.
2) Yeah this is called healing, not regeneration, if they stop it when they wish and they need to actively do it, it's not regen.

Also, Madara not regenerating his lower half doesn't have anything to do with regenerating a torso. Regenerating a chunk of your stomach and side doesn't mean you can regenerate your entire lower half, which is something he was only able to do after he got the other rinnegan.

Madara was able to heal his body from the sand bullet holes but not regrow an arm. Him not regrowing an arm isn't a counter to him having regen. It just means he has a lower level regen.
3) Kaguya was not extremely low on chakra in the root dimension where she lost her arm.
Kaguya was extremely low on chakra in the gravity dimension.

Zetsu said she'd recover faster in the root dimension, so then when Sasuke charged at her, she changed it.
This long ass sequence is the sequence she had in order to regain her chakra, with a small portion of that in the beginning and the middle is her not being attacked by Sasuke and him just standing there.
Then she had enough chakra to use her Eighty Gods Vaccum Attack, one of her more chakra taxing attacks.

Naruto did not attack her shortly after she switched. She switched at the beginning of the chapter, and after a long dialogue, he cut her arm off at the end.

4) It wasn't that quick. Yall act like it took a few nanoseconds.

Kakashi freefell a big distance and these dudes jumped so slow to where Naruto's smoke was just finished dissipating by the time she got hit by Sakura.

It's very unlikely she'd save her chakra for a world switch, as she flat out said she wasn't gonna switch worlds because it wasn't strategic.

5) I'd make a downgrade thread but that'd probably be counteracted with discord so I'll just say it here. That regen neg is specifically for the Planetary Rasengan.

I say that because we see the Rasenshuriken tear off the skin of the Third Raikage and he instantly gained it back.

And before yall say "he said it didn't affect him at all", Temari said the same thing, yet we currently accept her scaling to him due to her physically damaging his body with wind style.
Also, before yall also say "the damage is inconsistent", wrong too.
This is him before he takes any damage. This is him when he takes any damage. This is him after he takes any damage.
Only time we see cracks on him again is when he's doing the Hell Stab against victims, and the databook implies he gets attacked while doing so, supported as we see a wind style user throwing a wind style attack at him as he escapes, probably why he lost his cloak.

And before you say "the damage to Ay3 was far less significant than the damage to Mu", it doesn't matter.
Mu didn't regenerate slowly. He straight just didn't regenerate.
The regeneration only happened to Mu after he got hit by the Planetary Rasengan. It's only from the Planetary Rasengan, not for every finger flick from KCM.

The Shinju, and the Regeneration technique:​

US bringing up Boruto is ******* insane. But w/e,

This is funny to me.

It's funny because 2 sections above was why Hashirama's cells are irrelevant.
But Victor's God Tree attributed all the health changes to the Hashirama Cell he installed in his research.
Like, it's funny.
It's being pointed towards the god tree, but its specific thing and a plot point for the entire arc is that he utilized Hashirama cells for it.
Orochimaru even said that it isn't like the god tree at all.

Also, Victor never said a single thing about immortality.
He said eternal life. Eternal Life ≠ Immortality, although it's very intertwined.
The whole schist of the god tree is that you gain eternal youth and you live forever to the point where you can keep living for thousands of years like the Otsutsuki, which is consistent with what he told the other scientists.
Regardless if he was lying to them or not, it is intertwined that the Hashirama Cell is the key to "eternal life".

We know he was striving for eternal life because he gained a cursed seal

On top of that, Victor being a reliable source of what you get when you eat a chakra fruit is funny since he couldn't even successfully make one.

Now, before you say "why would him having eternal life fix his leg?" I don't know.
Maybe it'll give him enough time to fix it, since he was already hurt. Dude can regenerate his entire head but not his eye.

But we know he was looking for eternal life because when the shinju failed, he went to get a curse mark to prolong his life.

Little to nothing implies "regenerate better". Everything implies "live longer".

The ETSB debacle:
I don't know why yall keep saying this.
"Kaguya wouldn't leave the dimension, she didn't leave when she fought Naruto and Sasuke"
We're talking about after they're dead.

This technique is assumed on the wiki to stretch beyond the planet and destroy the entire AU distance. After the planet is destroyed and the characters are dead, there is no reason for her to remain there.
The orb doesn't need to stretch to the end of the dimension to kill them because there's nothing saying they would go to the end of the dimension before the orb destroys them.

Kaguya killing Naruto and Sasuke and just standing there to get smothered by the truthseeking orb is just ridiculous when she can fly away and breathe in space.

And now the second half, with the point of the original thread.

Hmm, so it was "assume the orb would hit her" and either "assume she'd get tier 4 regen for withstanding a hit" or "get regen for regenerating from it"
So tier 4 dura from getting hit by a ball that size in your small state just shows there were no calc members, or calc people in general, in that thread.

So it was either "Scale to the full yield for no reason" or "Regen from pulv for more reasons"
Okay

So since we can't quantify the yield of the boom, I'll scale the expansion to its creation of the new dimension.
The distance between the earth and the sun for the calc (basically the radius of the ETSB) is 1.496E+11 meters.
The energy to create the whole new dimension is 1.1184707e+42 Joules
Utilizing the inverse square law to see how much she'd take.
Yield of explosion / [surface area of sphere] * CA of character.
(1.1184707e42) / [4 *pi * ((1.496e11)^2]) * 0.68 = 2.7043349e+18 joules
2.7043349e+18 joules, or 646 Megatons. Mountain level.

So Kaguya would need to regenerate from being turned to dust after getting hit with a mountain level attack. Okay.

On top of that, the ball's KE isn't hurting Kaguya, since we see her close to the center touching it and she straight isn't hurt.
If it intends to kill Naruto and Sasuke, it clearly isn't due to AP.

Saying she'd leave and it'd stop expanding and that ruins it makes no sense either.
It makes sense that it'd disintegrate, but why would she need to continue to expand it after it has already killed them?
After they're dead, she's good. The ball has no purpose after they're dead.

Immortality in Naruto:​

This whole paragraph was something else.

It's trying to tie a definition to immortality that isn't there.
Immortality isn't "you can't die because you regen from all the damage dealt", Immortality is "you can't die". Period.
And you said

At the very least this should prove that "regeneration" and "immortality" aren't mutually exclusive terms, they absolutely do overlap in the series, and they do so quite often.

You pretty much said "no, but yes"

So #4 is out.

Add a new #4, referencing how Otsutsukis become immortal due to expanding lives and living longer eternal lives.
Add a #5, Hidan flat out not being able to die from natural causes even if he's decapitated
Add a #6, Kakuzu bouncing back and forth through hearts.
Add a #7, Orochimaru's soul bouncing.
Add a #8, Karma regeneration.
Add a #9, Bijuu resurrecting.

Kaguya claiming to be immortal does not mean she's claiming to be able to regen from all attacks, it means she's claiming to not be able to die.
The only proof of that being regeneration is "cause Madara said the same thing". Madara ≠ Kaguya.

• Juubi has a form of healing, unfortunately there's a minimal reason for that long term ass regen to stretch to Kaguya's form when she's not transformed into the Juubi. She clearly isn't comprised of chakra like the juubi, the juubi can't be sensed but Kaguya can, and more. Ten Tails ≠ Kaguya. Ten Tails = Kaguya merged with the Shinju. No reason for her to exhibit the same abilities, unless Kaguya shooting off bijuudamas now.
• Kaguya cannot reform from pure chakra. She can transform into a creature comprised out of pure chakra, and revert back, just like every jinchuriki.
  • This is like giving Gaara Low-High or Mid-High because he can transform into Shukaku and back, said Shukaku who is deadass just a mass of sand.
• Aight. This can mean a lot, with the point of it being regen is supported, but at the same time, it doesn't hold much weight until/unless they're confirmed to be intertwined. None of that "it's implied" bs cause it's not. They have 1 separate statements of immortality stretching in different ways.
• Kaguya would not scale to Hashirama's regeneration, which is due to him taking advantage of the chakra and vitality he's been given to master incredible medical ninjutsu, something that Kaguya does not utilize.
• Victor says nothing at all about regeneration or the shinju bringing about a higher form of regeneration.
• She implies anything team 7 can't do to her. Not anything the ETSB can't do anything to her.

Saying its regen cause "how would they put her down without it" is so fallacious.
Like there could be any reason as to why.
Her nigh-infinite chakra could prolong her life to where she can kill them before they can affect her.
She has a large arsenal of attacks that could put them down before they could put her down.
She can resurrect.
And whatever else.

That's it

Now, I have work for the next 10 hours, so I'll go get to that while yall read.

 

[Robo432343]

"still disagree fra"

 

[Lynieryz]

Agree FRA

 

[DaReaperMan]

Finally

Welcome to this headass excuse of a thread UchihaSlayer.
I hope you enjoy the rest of it, cause I know I won't.

Spoiler: KT's Rant

I say I know I won't because I am utterly annoyed with this verse at the moment, and that annoyance was just multiplied by like 400x reading your response.

Because this thread was honestly made as a counter thread to the Law vs Kaguya versus thread, noting something I disagreed with and I made a thread about it.

But the hostility isn't from there at all.

Because in the past week, on and off site, I've been getting disrespected in every angle possible by the scalers of this verse, about this verse. Passive aggression, subtle aggression, open aggression, messages separate from places I can't see that I end up finding out about.

Now, I'm gonna be the one to say it, we don't care about yall profiles. I don't mean that we don't care about accuracy or that we don't care about the work put into it, but we don't care. This isn't a spite thread. It's a thread to fix a correction in something I feel is extremely wrong. And this being pointed, even partially, to the One Piece fandom, when I blatantly left the One Piece fandom, and tying me into it, is what's aggravating me more.
This isn't a thread from the One Piece fandom. This is a thread from me.

Now, miss me with the "this is unbecoming of the staff", I don't give a damn. I've already heard it, and I'm tired of people bringing up me being a staff whenever I'm frustrated from being insulted and memed. Me being a staff isn't gonna stop me from being upset.

I didn't want to be staff. I lost friends by becoming staff. When I became a staff I still didn't want to be a staff. When I attempted to resign they ignored it and kept me on a "break" instead of a retiring. When I was finally happy about becoming staff, I caught in bullshit that got me demoted for the first 3 months of this year, getting laughed at and clowned because of my demotion (mf did it in this thread above this message), accused of ulterior motives because of my demotion, and more.

So don't bring up how I'm supposed to be a role model and a pillar of the community, because this is the same community who isn't grateful for shit I've done, bashes me for shit I didn't do, and never fails to piss me off. So with all due respect, stay in your lane.

I have no moral obligation to be Martin Luther King Jr. for the fandoms and let them run into the horizon singing kumbaya together. There is no issue with the Naruto fandom from the One Piece fandom. There is an issue with the things we disagree with being interpreted as spite or resent because that verse has been getting hit with ridiculously massive downgrades recently, and people thinking every time the verse's scalers even say "Naruto", it's in preparation for a counter thread.

Now I'm gonna give you grace, because you weren't in the Law vs Kaguya thread, you didn't see my frustration. You weren't a part of it, and I can't blame you for something you weren't even involved in. Every time the fandom pisses me off, you're the mediator who tells them to cut it out.

So I'm gonna end this rant with a message that I genuinely believe needs to be heard.

I apologize for holding up your revisions. You have put in more than what you've needed to put in, and it's an honorable endeavor.

Do not involve the One Piece fandom with this thread. The One Piece fandom and the Naruto fandom has been coexisting lately, with the One Piece fandom noticing more of Naruto's bullshit, and the Naruto fandom noticing more of One Piece's bullshit.

The verse's scalers can suck the skin off my dick for all I care. I don't regret being upset for being insulted, at all. My aggression is towards dickeaters who happily dickeat without repercussions. and unfortunately a plethora of this verse's scalers fit that description.

Now to the actual rebuttal to the the argument you delivered.

Basically, you made some good points, you made some bad points, you made some irrelevant points, and you made some flat out false ones.

Spoiler: The Actual Counter

"Kaguya has no Regeneration":​

You must not know what regeneration means. You and everybody else in here.
This is just like people giving characters resistance to Genjutsu for falling for it and breaking out instead of calling it mind hax negation.

Regeneration is an accelerated healing factor. A healing factor, something that all human beings utilize, is passive.
Majin Buu, Wolverine, Piccolo, Homunculi, Deadpool, Mahito, Edo Tensei, Demon Slayer demons, Dio Brando. Names of people who just regenerate.

What Kaguya does it not regeneration, as that is not an accelerated healing factor. Her regular healing factor is dogshit.
Kaguya morphs into a form, and brings herself back into the previous form.
That is not regeneration.
That is a glorified body control that brings back previously destroyed things.

You sound like you consider the transformation between a jinchuriki and a tailed beast regeneration, since they're turning into pure chakra and coming back.

Bijuu are pure chakra yes, but you misconstrued it for everybody else in here.
Bijuu are pure chakra given physical form. They were turned into beings (made out of chakra) that can create their own chakra. They have their own organs made of chakra. That's why in the scan you sent, we can see the difference between Kurama and its chakra. We see it again here.

They were made from the creation of all things. Kakashi's eye was too. Are we gonna say Kakashi's eye is just pure chakra?

They are not just chakra. They are living ninjutsu.
Ninjutsu is turning chakra into different things. Naruto turning his chakra into clones. People turning it into fire, earth, water, air (avatar), lightning.
Hagoromo turned them into beasts made of chakra.
That's why they can bleed (their blood is made of chakra). That's why they can cry.

If you hit Shukaku you don't hit chakra, you hit sand. Shadow clones don't walk around existing as energy. We accept chakra transforming into natural lightning. It isn't just "energy" anymore, it's transmutated energy into physical things.

There is a state of swamping forms that a Jinchuriki does where they transform into their bijuu. They do not turn into the literal chakra. They turn into the forms they have.

Chakra regularly is an usually invisible intangible substance created from 2 energies that can be turned into things.

Also, Kaguya being "reduced to pure chakra" is asinine. Kaguya was transformed into a form that was also physical, as it could make contact with clones (you can see the smack) and be hit by physical shuriken.

Kaguya is turned into a physical beast. She is not turning into raw energy. She is turning into a beast that is made of raw energy.

Also, please don't compare it to logia regen. That was a horrible argument.
Logia regen is the regeneration of their elemental forms, which has nothing to do with their true bodies. Re healing from ice wouldn't bring back a missing leg, but if you're turned into an ice molecule, you'll come back. Kuzan for example, who can go from a piece of ice the size of a finger to a whole humanoid block of ice, but can't regenerate his leg.
Which is why we have regen for things like cars.


This is saying her "true body" was wounded, then she turned into "raw energy" and came back to her "true body" healed. A better example would be her humanoid form existing how it is, but then her bijuu form loses all its tails and grows them back, but that damage is never reflected on her. That's a better example.

"The Juubi has no Regeneration":​

I didn't argue for or against it. I just asked for instances of it happening. So I don't care for this.

Why Hashirama's cells are irrelevant:​

The point was missed. Heavily. By everybody in here.

I never said that their feats of regen came from the Hashirama cells.
I said that their regeneration was probably an amplified form of their Hashirama cells from the Juubi, caused by the Juubi amplifying their current abilities.

I fail to see why my skepticism on the regen is shaky when you guys are saying Kaguya would regenerate from eventually getting ****** up by an orb she wasn't shown to get hit by.

This claim here about there's nothing saying it's the Hashirama cells falls to the Juubi as well. There's nothing saying it's the juubi in them that allows them to regenerate to that capacity.

All your points about them with just the cells are irrelevant to my claim.

On top of that. No.
The large stamina comes from Asura, but the regeneration aspect is a Hashirama specific aspect.
There is a difference from inheriting his giant damn life force, and inheriting an ability to regenerate.
The ability to heal his body specifically because of his own ability. Or else Naruto would've gotten the same exact thing for being an Uzumaki and Ashura's reincarnation, which he doesn't have, and only has due to Kurama's chakra.

Hashirama's regeneration comes from his many different medical ninjutsus that he doesn't require signs to utilize, but his cells still have extremely high levels of vitality that give others an increased healing factor.

Addressing Kaguya's "anti-feats":​

1) Yeah. Obito doing that is called healing, not regeneration. Same as Madara and Sakura, which is why Obito said in your scan that Sakura would need to take time into healing herself, which is different from passive regeneration.

You know the difference between them and her?
They don't need to transform into kaiju in order to activate their regen.
2) Yeah this is called healing, not regeneration, if they stop it when they wish and they need to actively do it, it's not regen.

Also, Madara not regenerating his lower half doesn't have anything to do with regenerating a torso. Regenerating a chunk of your stomach and side doesn't mean you can regenerate your entire lower half, which is something he was only able to do after he got the other rinnegan.

Madara was able to heal his body from the sand bullet holes but not regrow an arm. Him not regrowing an arm isn't a counter to him having regen. It just means he has a lower level regen.
3) Kaguya was not extremely low on chakra in the root dimension where she lost her arm.
Kaguya was extremely low on chakra in the gravity dimension.

Zetsu said she'd recover faster in the root dimension, so then when Sasuke charged at her, she changed it.
This long ass sequence is the sequence she had in order to regain her chakra, with a small portion of that in the beginning and the middle is her not being attacked by Sasuke and him just standing there.
Then she had enough chakra to use her Eighty Gods Vaccum Attack, one of her more chakra taxing attacks.

Naruto did not attack her shortly after she switched. She switched at the beginning of the chapter, and after a long dialogue, he cut her arm off at the end.

4) It wasn't that quick. Yall act like it took a few nanoseconds.

Kakashi freefell a big distance and these dudes jumped so slow to where Naruto's smoke was just finished dissipating by the time she got hit by Sakura.

It's very unlikely she'd save her chakra for a world switch, as she flat out said she wasn't gonna switch worlds because it wasn't strategic.

5) I'd make a downgrade thread but that'd probably be counteracted with discord so I'll just say it here. That regen neg is specifically for the Planetary Rasengan.

I say that because we see the Rasenshuriken tear off the skin of the Third Raikage and he instantly gained it back.

And before yall say "he said it didn't affect him at all", Temari said the same thing, yet we currently accept her scaling to him due to her physically damaging his body with wind style.
Also, before yall also say "the damage is inconsistent", wrong too.
This is him before he takes any damage. This is him when he takes any damage. This is him after he takes any damage.
Only time we see cracks on him again is when he's doing the Hell Stab against victims, and the databook implies he gets attacked while doing so, supported as we see a wind style user throwing a wind style attack at him as he escapes, probably why he lost his cloak.

And before you say "the damage to Ay3 was far less significant than the damage to Mu", it doesn't matter.
Mu didn't regenerate slowly. He straight just didn't regenerate.
The regeneration only happened to Mu after he got hit by the Planetary Rasengan. It's only from the Planetary Rasengan, not for every finger flick from KCM.

The Shinju, and the Regeneration technique:​

US bringing up Boruto is ******* insane. But w/e,

This is funny to me.

It's funny because 2 sections above was why Hashirama's cells are irrelevant.
But Victor's God Tree attributed all the health changes to the Hashirama Cell he installed in his research.
Like, it's funny.
It's being pointed towards the god tree, but its specific thing and a plot point for the entire arc is that he utilized Hashirama cells for it.
Orochimaru even said that it isn't like the god tree at all.

Also, Victor never said a single thing about immortality.
He said eternal life. Eternal Life ≠ Immortality, although it's very intertwined.
The whole schist of the god tree is that you gain eternal youth and you live forever to the point where you can keep living for thousands of years like the Otsutsuki, which is consistent with what he told the other scientists.
Regardless if he was lying to them or not, it is intertwined that the Hashirama Cell is the key to "eternal life".

We know he was striving for eternal life because he gained a cursed seal

On top of that, Victor being a reliable source of what you get when you eat a chakra fruit is funny since he couldn't even successfully make one.

Now, before you say "why would him having eternal life fix his leg?" I don't know.
Maybe it'll give him enough time to fix it, since he was already hurt. Dude can regenerate his entire head but not his eye.

But we know he was looking for eternal life because when the shinju failed, he went to get a curse mark to prolong his life.

Little to nothing implies "regenerate better". Everything implies "live longer".

The ETSB debacle:
I don't know why yall keep saying this.
"Kaguya wouldn't leave the dimension, she didn't leave when she fought Naruto and Sasuke"
We're talking about after they're dead.

This technique is assumed on the wiki to stretch beyond the planet and destroy the entire AU distance. After the planet is destroyed and the characters are dead, there is no reason for her to remain there.
The orb doesn't need to stretch to the end of the dimension to kill them because there's nothing saying they would go to the end of the dimension before the orb destroys them.

Kaguya killing Naruto and Sasuke and just standing there to get smothered by the truthseeking orb is just ridiculous when she can fly away and breathe in space.

And now the second half, with the point of the original thread.

Hmm, so it was "assume the orb would hit her" and either "assume she'd get tier 4 regen for withstanding a hit" or "get regen for regenerating from it"
So tier 4 dura from getting hit by a ball that size in your small state just shows there were no calc members, or calc people in general, in that thread.

So it was either "Scale to the full yield for no reason" or "Regen from pulv for more reasons"
Okay

So since we can't quantify the yield of the boom, I'll scale the expansion to its creation of the new dimension.
The distance between the earth and the sun for the calc (basically the radius of the ETSB) is 1.496E+11 meters.
The energy to create the whole new dimension is 1.1184707e+42 Joules
Utilizing the inverse square law to see how much she'd take.
Yield of explosion / [surface area of sphere] * CA of character.
(1.1184707e42) / [4 *pi * ((1.496e11)^2]) * 0.68 = 2.7043349e+18 joules
2.7043349e+18 joules, or 646 Megatons. Mountain level.

So Kaguya would need to regenerate from being turned to dust after getting hit with a mountain level attack. Okay.

On top of that, the ball's KE isn't hurting Kaguya, since we see her close to the center touching it and she straight isn't hurt.
If it intends to kill Naruto and Sasuke, it clearly isn't due to AP.

Saying she'd leave and it'd stop expanding and that ruins it makes no sense either.
It makes sense that it'd disintegrate, but why would she need to continue to expand it after it has already killed them?
After they're dead, she's good. The ball has no purpose after they're dead.

Immortality in Naruto:​

This whole paragraph was something else.

It's trying to tie a definition to immortality that isn't there.
Immortality isn't "you can't die because you regen from all the damage dealt", Immortality is "you can't die". Period.
And you said

You pretty much said "no, but yes"

So #4 is out.

Add a new #4, referencing how Otsutsukis become immortal due to expanding lives and living longer eternal lives.
Add a #5, Hidan flat out not being able to die from natural causes even if he's decapitated
Add a #6, Kakuzu bouncing back and forth through hearts.
Add a #7, Orochimaru's soul bouncing.
Add a #8, Karma regeneration.
Add a #9, Bijuu resurrecting.

Kaguya claiming to be immortal does not mean she's claiming to be able to regen from all attacks, it means she's claiming to not be able to die.
The only proof of that being regeneration is "cause Madara said the same thing". Madara ≠ Kaguya.

• Juubi has a form of healing, unfortunately there's a minimal reason for that long term ass regen to stretch to Kaguya's form when she's not transformed into the Juubi. She clearly isn't comprised of chakra like the juubi, the juubi can't be sensed but Kaguya can, and more. Ten Tails ≠ Kaguya. Ten Tails = Kaguya merged with the Shinju. No reason for her to exhibit the same abilities, unless Kaguya shooting off bijuudamas now.
• Kaguya cannot reform from pure chakra. She can transform into a creature comprised out of pure chakra, and revert back, just like every jinchuriki.
  • This is like giving Gaara Low-High or Mid-High because he can transform into Shukaku and back, said Shukaku who is deadass just a mass of sand.
• Aight. This can mean a lot, with the point of it being regen is supported, but at the same time, it doesn't hold much weight until/unless they're confirmed to be intertwined. None of that "it's implied" bs cause it's not. They have 1 separate statements of immortality stretching in different ways.
• Kaguya would not scale to Hashirama's regeneration, which is due to him taking advantage of the chakra and vitality he's been given to master incredible medical ninjutsu, something that Kaguya does not utilize.
• Victor says nothing at all about regeneration or the shinju bringing about a higher form of regeneration.
• She implies anything team 7 can't do to her. Not anything the ETSB can't do anything to her.

Saying its regen cause "how would they put her down without it" is so fallacious.
Like there could be any reason as to why.
Her nigh-infinite chakra could prolong her life to where she can kill them before they can affect her.
She has a large arsenal of attacks that could put them down before they could put her down.
She can resurrect.
And whatever else.

That's it

Now, I have work for the next 10 hours, so I'll go get to that while yall read.

For the record, I do respect what you've done, which is more then I can say for a lot of folks, even myself, in some regards. Normally I'd go on but I'd be revealing more of my cynical side in my views towards this shit then I'd like.

 

[Kachon123]

Cook.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I think KT makes a lot of good points, sumn that stuck out to me was the distinction between healing and regeneration, do we have a healing page I can read more into for?

 

[Nierre]

He linked the healing page in his argument

 

[Nierre]

Healing Page

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Since our healing page is basically just saying it’s “regen you have to activate”, yeah I agree with it being healing over regen then

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Given the response isnt directed to me but because im the goon that watches all the mediocre boruto episodes i wanted to adress this

The Shinju, and the Regeneration technique:
US bringing up Boruto is ******* insane. But w/e,

This is funny to me.

It's funny because 2 sections above was why Hashirama's cells are irrelevant.
But Victor's God Tree attributed all the health changes to the Hashirama Cell he installed in his research.

your conflating two different scenes here
everything thats attributed here is what Viktor tells the investors and the Daimyo of the land of valleys, this entire section and scene is a fabrication, its a genjutsu. Hashirama's cells were not used to cure diseases or help with health it was used to cultivate the Tree because it was revealed that the god tree and hashirama's cells are closely connected.

Like, it's funny.
It's being pointed towards the god tree, but its specific thing and a plot point for the entire arc is that he utilized Hashirama cells for it.
Orochimaru even said that it isn't like the god tree at all.

this is removing the context of why Orochimaru is saying that, the tree was reverse engineered from the original tree in the fourth great ninja war, its a incomplete version because while it can do everything the regular god tree can do with the sole exception of bearing a fruit, the thing that Viktor wants most. its a imitation of the real thing and inferior one, Orochimaru also alludes to the fact that normal people wouldnt be able to handle the chakra fruit anyway. but this argument kinda ignores Slayers actual point. they were reverse engineering a new god tree to mimic the original, who everyone including Orochimaru believed would be superior to what Viktor currently had.

Also, Victor never said a single thing about immortality.
He said eternal life. Eternal Life ≠ Immortality, although it's very intertwined.

I feel like this is a game of semantics, but thats also ignoring that in japanese for eternal life and immortality are one and the same are used interchangeably 不死. theres also the fact that eternal life is a form of immortality, its in the name, so im not sure what the point of this is

The whole schist of the god tree is that you gain eternal youth

Umm, the very same scan you using references immortality and makes a direct statement to separate eternal youth and immortality

and you live forever to the point where you can keep living for thousands of years

yeah Sasuke is making reference to one of two things the fruit does.

like the Otsutsuki, which is consistent with what he told the other scientists.
Regardless if he was lying to them or not, it is intertwined that the Hashirama Cell is the key to "eternal life".

the key to eternal life is the chakra fruit, the reason why Viktor wanted Hashirama's cell because it was important into regrowing it it from the shard they had from the war.

On top of that, Victor being a reliable source of what you get when you eat a chakra fruit is funny since he couldn't even successfully make one.

You can be knowledgeable on the effects and causation of stuff with enough research, also Viktor's statements are consistent with what we have been told about the fruit as well so this is a weird point. also orochimaru hasnt created a divine fruit himself but your earlier argument uses orochimaru as a reference for why the god tree here isnt the same.

Now, before you say "why would him having eternal life fix his leg?" I don't know.

we know why, because his regeneration isnt perfect, but believes that eating the divine fruit would give me perfect regen, this is alluded to by orochimaru

Maybe it'll give him enough time to fix it

This is never mention once, the series specifically notes that him eating the divine fruit would give his limbs

But we know he was looking for eternal life because when the shinju failed, he went to get a curse mark to prolong his life.

Eternal life is included package bonus, not sure why your making a dichotomy here

Little to nothing implies "regenerate better". Everything implies "live longer".

I mean it kinda does lmao , unless the shinju just pops limbs into existence for you or we have to write headcanons of Viktor planning to fix his own limbs later on. which isnt supported by anything in the series.

occams razor and all that.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

anyway thats going to be it from me in regards to the The Otsutsussy and their big wood regen.

bye bye

 

[KaydeeX]

Since our healing page is basically just saying it’s “regen you have to activate”, yeah I agree with it being healing over regen then

Quick question, do regular humans regenerate or heal?
Because if I happen to have a cut on my hand and it becomes closed in a span of two days or more then does that mean I activate my healing factor? xD
Seems disconcerting

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Quick question, do regular humans regenerate or heal?
Because if I happen to have a cut on my hand and it becomes closed in a span of two days or more then does that mean I activate my healing factor? xD
Seems disconcerting

Little bit of both ig, like if you apply antiseptics to the cut and use a bandaid to protect it from dirt, you’re aiding the body’s natural healing process. Albeit not really equivocal to alien ninja gods with magic powers.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Quick question, do regular humans regenerate or heal?
Because if I happen to have a cut on my hand and it becomes closed in a span of two days or more then does that mean I activate my healing factor? xD
Seems disconcerting

Most vertebrates, and sometimes invertebrates do have regeneration, it's just not under any of the regeneration listing, as that is an enhanced healing factor.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I agree with shadow’s point in saying the god tree would give Viktor better regen for sure. However, I’m curious how that combats KT’s point of the god tree simply enhancing pre-existing regen? Basically why would Viktor’s regen scale to Kaguya’s? Unless you’re not implying that and I misunderstood.

 

[Deceived3596]

I'm fine with the ability being considered as Healing rather than Regeneration, don't have any real contentions with the idea.

I however have heavy disagreements with some of the other statements you made KT, especially your counter points against Slayer's "immortality generally equating to a level of regeneration" argument. I don't believe they address those points in a fashion which would convince me to believe your interpretation against Slayer's interpretation. I'll explain what I mean in more depth in another post later.

 

[Ryuga21]

It's off-topic, but needs to be said.

I've been so busy lately that I've been out of the community's interpersonal relationship here for a good few years. I just wanted to say this: I'm sorry if I started a 3rd world war on this site making the Law vs Kaguya thread. My intention was just having fun on a weekend (maybe things were taken too seriously) for the arguments that have been a hobby since my teenage years. If I had known of all the heavy lifting that would be behind the personal relationship that KT or the verse's main supporters from both verses were in, I wouldn't have made that thread.

I'm sorry if I caused any of you a headache or if I generated the opposite of my proposal. Please don't lose your friendships and don't create enemies for reasons that are irrelevant such as Naruto vs One Piece.

 

[Tdjwo]

It's off-topic, but needs to be said.

I've been so busy lately that I've been out of the community's interpersonal relationship here for a good few years. I just wanted to say this: I'm sorry if I started a 3rd world war on this site making the Law vs Kaguya thread. My intention was just having fun on a weekend (maybe things were taken too seriously) for the arguments that have been a hobby since my teenage years. If I had known of all the heavy lifting that would be behind the personal relationship that KT or the verse's main supporters from both verses were in, I wouldn't have made that thread.

I'm sorry if I caused any of you a headache or if I generated the opposite of my proposal. Please don't lose your friendships and don't create enemies for reasons that are irrelevant such as Naruto vs One Piece.

Haha this reminds of the movie, Ready Player One where the multi-trillionaire game creator made a OnePiece-like type of quest for his fortune in order to create fun for everyone after his death just for the exact opposite to happen because of the money behind it. Sometimes, good intentions create the biggest disasters.

Anyways, I don't give a **** about the thread anymore. It's too boring. Y'all should just make out already

 

[Ped2018]

Anyways, I don't give a **** about the thread anymore. Y'all should just make out already

Translation = i'm getting my ass beat in the nasu thread so i can't focus in this thread

 

[Tdjwo]

Translation = i'm getting my ass beat in the nasu thread so i can't focus in this thread

Is this man stalking me?

Ngl, people on that thread don't know anything. I'm schooling them on basic shit but nobody gets it. That place is cancerous. And I never really cared for this Kaguya shit. It's too irrelevant to me.

 

[Ped2018]

Is this man stalking me?

I have @LephyrTheRevanchist mindset, i'm always watching👁

 

[Tdjwo]

I have @LephyrTheRevanchist mindset, i'm always watching👁

Bruh not her...

 

[Stryker861]

I have @LephyrTheRevanchist mindset, i'm always watching👁

That woman

@LephyrTheRevanchist pack these mfs up

 

[Tdjwo]

@LephyrTheRevanchist pack these mfs up

M-mom..c-c-come pick me up..I'm scared.

 

[Jaakor48]

I need you to prove to me 3 things

1. Why would she have been negatively affected by the ETSB
2. Why would it affect her to the point of her needing High regeneration
3. Why should would have been hit in the first place.

1. Because neither she, nor anyone is immune to tsb attacks? having access to senjutsu just allows you come in physical contact without being EE'd, both juubidara and juubito weren't immune to their TSBs, her arm was literally stabbed though by Naruto's tsb

2. Because it was going to destroy an entire space time, and create a new one, which means it would need to be strong enough to destroy the planet AND star (at least), her durability doesn't come anyway near this, she would need to regenerate, it would literally vaporize her body with that AP

3. Because she was IN the timespace she wanted to destroy? She would obviously be caught, she also can't go far away from the orb itself, because then it would stop working

 

[Shadyboi0]

I disagree due to the argument presented above

 

[KingTempest]

I agree with shadow’s point in saying the god tree would give Viktor better regen for sure. However, I’m curious how that combats KT’s point of the god tree simply enhancing pre-existing regen? Basically why would Viktor’s regen scale to Kaguya’s? Unless you’re not implying that and I misunderstood.

This the real question

 

[Deagonx]

KT and Damage make the most sense to me here, so I agree with changing the regen to something lower.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Kaguya having such a high level regeneration never made sense me.

If it was that good then she wouldn't have been profusely bleeding and armless after Naruto tore it off. She literally shows no actual "regeneration" when she is injured and is instead ducking Sasuke right after. Then Naruto hits her and she still isn't regenerating her missing arm, why?

Like, literally turn on your brain and think about this. If Kaguya's regeneration was that good, why didn't she just easily regenerate her arm after Naruto tore it off? There's no logical reason behind that.

Or how about this, what did Team 7's plan of getting Naruto to tag Kaguya rely on?

It relied on Kaguya's arm being injured and unable to move after Kakashi cut it!

If Kaguya had such a high regeneration, this entire plan would have been worthless.
Therefore, it's clearly not that good or it is at least limited.

I agree with @KingTempest and their thread. I also agree with @Damage3245 and their suggestion for a new regeneration rating.

Kaguya, at the very least, has a limited form of regeneration as the only time she ever regenerated an injury was after she transformed. Even if she is not downgraded, she absolutely needs a LIMITED description since she only regenerates after transforming. Clearly after two important moments that she should've regenerated in, but does not, proves her regeneration is limited.