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[speedster352]

I vote Makoto fra

 

[YungManzi]

Yeah, Makoto for those reasons.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

why the **** am I getting multi-quoted

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

why the **** am I getting multi-quoted

why the **** am I getting multi-quoted

I don´t know

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Not all of them should be restricted Mio helps a lot Here she is not too op and can be used for his summons. Also some help here please.

It's not about if they're too op or not, it's about Makoto being in character. I dont know why the characters a dummy and doesn't use summoning against stronger characters, but that's what he does. Since Doom is stronger, then Makoto likely won't use his summons.

Telepathy allows him to read minds and if he sees how dangerous he is he will just bfr and trap him their so he can’t escape with teleportation or portal creation.

Ok, is that in character? For them to go for an instant bfr? That is a question, and an important one at that.

No his attacks always hits and with field it’s way easier.

So this dude has instant hits, but would you consider them unavoidable

His luck is actually useful it increases his dodge chance and hit chance a lot in a short timeframe but it’s not absolute but it will help a lot.

How does it increase his dodge chance, what, is his verse an rpg?

Stats amp keeps doubling his stats and his defence too.

But WHEN do they start using it, and is it in character.

He resist that

Resists what, portal creation? Portal sealing? Please be specific

also like it says on his profile he can trap others and they can’t escape even with portal creation and teleportation with his interdimensional telepathy range he can just ask his summons to keep him occupied.

So you've submitted a guy that can trap others with no chance to escape, but let's ignore that. Again, Makoto's summons are OOC.

Wouldn’t the ring be the first to be removed he literally has mind reading?

Tell me how he would remove the ring

Also he has danmaku and homing attack so good luck dodging.

Dodging is made easier with Doom's flight and portal creation to go into other dimensions, meaning he could walk in and avoid these attacks.

If he is so outclassed he just puts up his forcefield summons his friends

Out of character

or just bfr

Which you've explained as unescapeable,, yeaaah, nice broken ability your character has there

and he will know he has to by just reading his mind.

But again, is it IN CHARACTER? You can't just say he will do this stuff, when the profile explicitly state he won't summon against stronger opponents, which Doom is

Also his portal creation and teleportation cannot be negated or sealed.

Then Doom can fly up, and begin firing down if he can't seal these portals. Unless you say these mist portals spawn on target

Guys, to clarify some important note

Fighters only have knowledge of their opponent's appearance and at least a vague sense of awareness of any dangerous (mid to high mid hax) abilities they possess.

Arnold, can you tell us what abilities Doom and Makoto know from each other? Because if Makoto knows about the Black Ring power and Doom not using magic, or Doom knowing about how Makoto has certain hax that is lethal, the battle is completely different of "Doom range stomp with portals" or "Makoto snipes"

That would be important to the match, maybe voting could be held off in the meantime for Arnold to look over this and decide which hax they know

Not sure how intelligence allows get around range spam and AOE freezing attacks.

I'm thinking mainly that Doom can figure out ways to bypass these attacks, like maybe being creative with portal creation and using that to get rid of Makotos attacks. But, I'd have to rewatch the series to see if he's done that realistically.

He essentially has resistance to every ability in the verse; which include things like cursing your soul, diseasing one's soul, and transmuting one's soul.

Would hypnotizing or draining ones soul fall under that

His "Field" or Sakai allows him to sense everything within a 48 kilometer radius of him. He is also an excellent archer with his skill being called god-like.

Does this allow him to know the exact layout of the location?

Imagine small versions of this that he can spam.

first thing I see are **** in the MC's face, ew

internet is not happy with me today, can't exactly watch it at the moment....

There's essentially no way doom could even get close here, whether that's himself or with summons. He has portal movement, but Makoto also can move with portals. kek.

I'd say Doom's portal movement can still be useful here

He's up against Someone who spams AOE freezing attacks that home in on him from kilometers away. And even if he gets close, he runs into Makoto's aura which paralyzes him.

Aoe freezing attacks that home, paralyzing fear aura, seems a little string don't you think? Aside from the freezing arrows or whatever they are, what has this fear aura worked on

Freezing^


^Homing

Maybe I should start reading everything instead of reading while I respond...

The freezing actually just seems to slow down the opponent instead of freezing them like a popsicle, so maybe that's manageable

And the homind, basically it just allows it to not stop flying?

I don´t know

Not that kind of multi-quoting, I mean how I'm getting quoted in different replies over and over instead of it being one response

 

[AnAverageUsername]

I'm going to be honest here, Makoto sounds broken, too broken even, but that's my opinion, and Arnold would have to agree for it to be a serious concern

 

[speedster352]

It's not about if they're too op or not, it's about Makoto being in character. I dont know why the characters a dummy and doesn't use summoning against stronger characters, but that's what he does. Since Doom is stronger, then Makoto likely won't use his summons.

Ok, is that in character? For them to go for an instant bfr? That is a question, and an important one at that.

So this dude has instant hits, but would you consider them unavoidable

How does it increase his dodge chance, what, is his verse an rpg?

But WHEN do they start using it, and is it in character.

Resists what, portal creation? Portal sealing? Please be specific

So you've submitted a guy that can trap others with no chance to escape, but let's ignore that. Again, Makoto's summons are OOC.

Tell me how he would remove the ring

Dodging is made easier with Doom's flight and portal creation to go into other dimensions, meaning he could walk in and avoid these attacks.

Out of character

Which you've explained as unescapeable,, yeaaah, nice broken ability your character has there

But again, is it IN CHARACTER? You can't just say he will do this stuff, when the profile explicitly state he won't summon against stronger opponents, which Doom is

Then Doom can fly up, and begin firing down if he can't seal these portals. Unless you say these mist portals spawn on target

That would be important to the match, maybe voting could be held off in the meantime for Arnold to look over this and decide which hax they know

I'm thinking mainly that Doom can figure out ways to bypass these attacks, like maybe being creative with portal creation and using that to get rid of Makotos attacks. But, I'd have to rewatch the series to see if he's done that realistically.

Would hypnotizing or draining ones soul fall under that

Does this allow him to know the exact layout of the location?

first thing I see are **** in the MC's face, ew

internet is not happy with me today, can't exactly watch it at the moment....

I'd say Doom's portal movement can still be useful here

Aoe freezing attacks that home, paralyzing fear aura, seems a little string don't you think? Aside from the freezing arrows or whatever they are, what has this fear aura worked on

Maybe I should start reading everything instead of reading while I respond...

The freezing actually just seems to slow down the opponent instead of freezing them like a popsicle, so maybe that's manageable

And the homind, basically it just allows it to not stop flying?

Not that kind of multi-quoting, I mean how I'm getting quoted in different replies over and over instead of it being one response

AOE freezing is a gg

I'm going to be honest here, Makoto sounds broken, too broken even, but that's my opinion, and Arnold would have to agree for it to be a serious concern

He is not too op he doesn’t use all his hax in character but he will use them if he pushed or if he reads his opponents mind Mio and tomoe are his servants so he will have no problem summoning them.

 

[speedster352]

Aoe freezing attacks that home, paralyzing fear aura, seems a little string don't you think? Aside from the freezing arrows or whatever they are, what has this fear aura worked on

His fear aura works on those way stronger than him. So passive fear aura plus ice freeze is gg.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

AOE freezing is a gg

From what I've read, that freezing seems to just slow down the opponent, unless that opponent had resistance to freezing?

He is not too op he doesn’t use all his hax in character but he will use them if he pushed or if he reads his opponents mind Mio and tomoe are his servants so he will have no problem summoning them.

Ignoring the fact that it still says Makoto won't use summons in character against a stronger character,

His fear aura works on those way stronger than him. So passive fear aura plus ice freeze is gg.

At least be consistent with your posts. You're just adding to my point of being too op.

 

[speedster352]

From what I've read, that freezing seems to just slow down the opponent, unless that opponent had resistance to freezing?

Ignoring the fact that it still says Makoto won't use summons in character against a stronger character,

At least be consistent with your posts. You're just adding to my point of being too op.

Like I said others can resist his abilities normally it just freezes solid and crumbles them away. Too op you have no idea just look at the other characters in this tournament. This is just the tip of the iceberg

 

[YungManzi]

It's not about if they're too op or not, it's about Makoto being in character. I dont know why the characters a dummy and doesn't use summoning against stronger characters, but that's what he does. Since Doom is stronger, then Makoto likely won't use his summons.

It's less about him being a dummy and more about him not needing them and preferring to handle it himself than endanger them.

If it's someone he's absolutely confident they could defeat, he may summon them, but against stronger people he wouldn't do that.

“Fuh~ a function to negate the interference of the Goddess and the creation of something so the thought transmission isn’t obstructed. If Waka is able to summon us immediately, the problems will be mostly resolved, so tackling both problems is more efficient. Yareyare, there are only difficult problems. However, I feel honored that Waka thinks of us as trump cards. For the sake of the day to come, we will remain in obscurity for now” (Tomoe)

^Although via statements like this among other ones, I may amend this in a future CRT.

Resists what, portal creation? Portal sealing? Please be specific

Portal Teleportation

Would hypnotizing or draining ones soul fall under that

Not sure what hypotizing or draining someone's soul even means lol.

Does this allow him to know the exact layout of the location?

Yep.

first thing I see are **** in the MC's face, ew

Aoe freezing attacks that home, paralyzing fear aura, seems a little string don't you think? Aside from the freezing arrows or whatever they are, what has this fear aura worked on

It is lol, I wasn't the one who suggested Makoto.

Maybe I should start reading everything instead of reading while I respond...

The freezing actually just seems to slow down the opponent instead of freezing them like a popsicle, so maybe that's manageable

Nope. It freezes people, the people he used it against here just have resistance to freezing. If you could watch the video you'd see it can instantly turn people into popsicles.

The scans I showed there were more-so displaying that it has AOE.

And the homind, basically it just allows it to not stop flying?

That and it tracks.

“With [Sakai], I find Sofia hiding under cover.

To all the lights that were heading against a wall because they lost their target… I tell them her location.

“They curved?!” (Sofia)

All of the lights changed their direction and lunged towards the mountain of rubble that Sofia was hiding in.

Curving a laser type attack.”

Other example of a homing technique

 

[YungManzi]

To explain the summoning a bit; Asora, his pocket dimension where he keeps all of his equipment, is essentially its own country of monsters with him as its king.

So while he can essentially summon an army of 7-C, Low 6-B, and 6-B characters each with their own hax; he is very careful as far as actually doing such things because of how much he cares for them. So basically he's only done anything remotely close to that 3-4 times in 500 chapters. Unless you count him summoning random soldiers from his army to train academy students.

 

[speedster352]

I think makoto moves on here he is not haxed at all just versatile.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

It's less about him being a dummy and more about him not needing them and preferring to handle it himself than endanger them.

So he's the honorable type of fighter?

If it's someone he's absolutely confident they could defeat, he may summon them, but against stronger people he wouldn't do that.

So what counts as stronger people, those with big hax or big AP? Sorta an important thing to address

^Although via statements like this among other ones, I may amend this in a future CRT.

Portal Teleportation

How... do you resist that? Like, he resists being forcefully teleported?

Not sure what hypotizing or draining someone's soul even means lol.

Maybe I misworded it, but, it works by Doom summoning that demon arm to grab the opponent, as they're knocked out while seeing multiple heads of Doom around them?

Yep.

It is lol, I wasn't the one who suggested Makoto.

Speedster, huh

Nope. It freezes people, the people he used it against here just have resistance to freezing. If you could watch the video you'd see it can instantly turn people into popsicles.

Yeah, if only I could watch the video....

The scans I showed there were more-so displaying that it has AOE.

That and it tracks.

So it constantly follows

Other example of a homing technique

To explain the summoning a bit; Asora, his pocket dimension where he keeps all of his equipment, is essentially its own country of monsters with him as its king.

So while he can essentially summon an army of 7-C, Low 6-B, and 6-B characters each with their own hax; he is very careful as far as actually doing such things because of how much he cares for them. So basically he's only done anything remotely close to that 3-4 times in 500 chapters. Unless you count him summoning random soldiers from his army to train academy students.

Godamn how long is this story. It's a light novel right?

I think makoto moves on here he is not haxed at all just versatile.

speedster, I'm going to be honest here. The character you're arguing for, IS haxed out. A fear aura that instantly paralyzes, buffs and debuffs that double constantly, instant freeze arrows that are both danmaku and have aoe, and right now you insist that Makoto will summon his, well, summons, that are also haxed out, as well as being able to force bfr with no escape. This is the definition of "too op", and if you try to argue against this, when even a supporter agrees they're too strong, then it just makes you look pig-headed.

 

[speedster352]

So he's the honorable type of fighter?

So what counts as stronger people, those with big hax or big AP? Sorta an important thing to address

How... do you resist that? Like, he resists being forcefully teleported?

Maybe I misworded it, but, it works by Doom summoning that demon arm to grab the opponent, as they're knocked out while seeing multiple heads of Doom around them?

Speedster, huh

Yeah, if only I could watch the video....



So it constantly follows


Godamn how long is this story. It's a light novel right?

speedster, I'm going to be honest here. The character you're arguing for, IS haxed out. A fear aura that instantly paralyzes, buffs and debuffs that double constantly, instant freeze arrows that are both danmaku and have aoe, and right now you insist that Makoto will summon his, well, summons, that are also haxed out, as well as being able to force bfr with no escape. This is the definition of "too op", and if you try to argue against this, when even a supporter agrees they're too strong, then it just makes you look pig-headed.

He can’t use all at once. Also we have zagred,kouki, Dorothy and etc they are op. also the debuff affects him too stats amp and debuff are separate and their is a limit of course. Fear aura can be resisted by those with supernatural willpower or strong mind resistance it’s not that op just that your character falls short. It’s not in character to summon or bfr not unless absolutely necessary. Freezing is a win con. He resist portal and teleportation bfr.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Summons definitely are a no go area. I need more info on that buff and debug stuff. The rest are fine.

 

[speedster352]

Demons definitely are a no go area. I need more info on that buff and debug stuff. The rest are fine.

Buff just double his stats and defense their is a limit of course. Debuff at least halves his opponents stats their is a limit as well.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Constantly might I add as said before

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Constantly might I add as said before

wdym?

 

[speedster352]

Constantly might I add as said before

He has to activate it and their is a limit

 

[AnAverageUsername]

wdym?

Well the exact wording Speedster used is "keeps doubling his attack and defense", which implies constance.

And, question, don't you think Makoto resisting most forms of magic is a bit much?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

He has to activate it and their is a limit

And what is that limit

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Guys, to clarify some important note

Fighters only have knowledge of their opponent's appearance and at least a vague sense of awareness of any dangerous (mid to high mid hax) abilities they possess.

Arnold, can you tell us what abilities Doom and Makoto know from each other? Because if Makoto knows about the Black Ring power and Doom not using magic, or Doom knowing about how Makoto has certain hax that is lethal, the battle is completely different of "Doom range stomp with portals" or "Makoto snipes"

They don’t know the specific. Only the fact that there is a very lethal attack their opponent possesses.

 

[speedster352]

Well the exact wording Speedster used is "keeps doubling his attack and defense", which implies constance.

And, question, don't you think Makoto resisting all forms of magic is a bit much?

My apologies before I read/watch the series I didn't know about it much.

And what is that limit

I remember him saying that it only works twice also debuffs affect him as well if he is in the field

 

[AnAverageUsername]

My apologies before I read/watch the series I didn't know about it much.

Then why did you submit them

I remember him saying that it only works twice also debuffs affect him as well if he is in the field

A 4x buff and debuff is quite large, but hey, it can be considered fair I guess

 

[speedster352]

Then why did you submit them

A 4x buff and debuff is quite large, but hey, it can be considered fair I guess

Because I was reading/watching the series I am caught up now

 

[AnAverageUsername]

Speed reader

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Well the exact wording Speedster used is "keeps doubling his attack and defense", which implies constance.

And, question, don't you think Makoto resisting most forms of magic is a bit much?

There is a limit to how much can be buffed and debuffed in the rules. Although it could eventually lead to a one shot so it doesn’t matter.

Dependung on how the buff and debuff work, for instance if it’s dodgeable or not, then the former is fine.

Resistance to magic is vague, I need info as to why he has it because there are several ways to bypass resistances. And if it’s op like Aethyr Manipulation then Makoto is out.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

is a very lethal attack their opponent possesses.

 

[Arkenis]

Not sure how intelligence allows get around range spam and AOE freezing attacks.

You dont know how genius intelligence would allow one to dodge spam attacks from a distance? He has force fields, he has quantum fields

He essentially has resistance to every ability in the verse; which include things like cursing your soul, diseasing one's soul, and transmuting one's soul.

Thats not what the demonic beings do so its not gonna help him when they drain his powers.

His "Field" or Sakai allows him to sense everything within a 48 kilometer radius of him. He is also an excellent archer with his skill being called god-like.

The range is good but won't matter much, Doom has good senses too, though its not really stated how far that was for him.

Also that ice aoe requires Makoto to first charge up his ice bow, then shoot it, Doom can very easily avoid that with the black ring.

 

[AnAverageUsername]

There is a limit to how much can be buffed and debuffed in the rules. Although it could eventually lead to a one shot so it doesn’t matter.

Dependung on how the buff and debuff work, for instance if it’s dodgeable or not, then the former is fine.

Resistance to magic is vague, I need info as to why he has it because there are several ways to bypass resistances. And if it’s op like Aethyr Manipulation then Makoto is out.

Resistance to Telepathy, Bladed Attacks (With Coat), BFR, Magic and Status Effects (Including Fire Magic, Wind Magic, Earth Magic, Light Magic, Darkness Magic, Transmutation, Power Nullification, Petrification, Sleep Manipulation, Curse Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Statistics Reduction, Mind Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Paralysis Inducement)

The basic list, no explanation though

 

[Arkenis]

Uh Makoto's resistance to magic won't matter against Doom he isn't actually using magic.

And, question, don't you think Makoto resisting most forms of magic is a bit much?

But for the rest of the tournament I will say its kinda broken, I mean even ignoring his resistance, the Field he has also seals magic

 

[speedster352]

There is a limit to how much can be buffed and debuffed in the rules. Although it could eventually lead to a one shot so it doesn’t matter.

Dependung on how the buff and debuff work, for instance if it’s dodgeable or not, then the former is fine.

Resistance to magic is vague, I need info as to why he has it because there are several ways to bypass resistances. And if it’s op like Aethyr Manipulation then Makoto is out.

The magic resistance is not that op

Uh Makoto's resistance to magic won't matter against Doom he isn't actually using magic.

But for the rest of the tournament I will say its kinda broken, I mean even ignoring his resistance, the Field he has also seals magic

the field has a range limit

You dont know how genius intelligence would allow one to dodge spam attacks from a distance? He has force fields, he has quantum fields

Thats not what the demonic beings do so its not gonna help him when they drain his powers.



The range is good but won't matter much, Doom has good senses too, though its not really stated how far that was for him.

Also that ice aoe requires Makoto to first charge up his ice bow, then shoot it, Doom can very easily avoid that with the black ring.

Not in his second key he can whip it out way faster.

 

[speedster352]

Thats not what the demonic beings do so its not gonna help him when they drain his powers.

He resist power absorption. This fight won’t even happen because fear aura stats amp and debuff plus freeze is gg

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Resistance to Telepathy, Bladed Attacks (With Coat), BFR, Magic and Status Effects (Including Fire Magic, Wind Magic, Earth Magic, Light Magic, Darkness Magic, Transmutation, Power Nullification, Petrification, Sleep Manipulation, Curse Manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Statistics Reduction, Mind Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, Death Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Paralysis Inducement)

The basic list, no explanation though

Hmm…

seems fine then as long he doesn’t say “he can resist (insert things not on the list)”

 

[Arkenis]

The magic resistance is not that op

Can you explain how he has the resistance?

the field has a range limit

So what, they start off in the range of it, it's 48km lol

• Starting distance 10km apart.

Not in his second key he can whip it out way faster.

Can you show that?

He resist power absorption. This fight won’t even happen because fear aura stats amp and debuff plus freeze is gg

Yeah power absorption, not his soul being drained.

 

[speedster352]

Can you explain how he has the resistance?


So what, they start off in the range of it, it's 48km lol



Can you show that?


Yeah power absorption, not his soul being drained.

He also resist that. he doesn't always start off with full range field also it allows him to move undetected. Anyway none of them resist fear aura so they get paralyzed then frozen.

 

[Arnoldstone18]

Snip

Hey do you know how Makoto’s resistances to magic are gotten?

 

[AnAverageUsername]

The magic resistance is not that op

the field has a range limit

Speedster, the characters spawn 10KM away from eachother, and the field stretches far beyond that

Not in his second key he can whip it out way faster.

 

[speedster352]

Hey do you know how Makoto’s resistances to magic are gotten?

He says that he can resist most magic which is on his profile