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Yeah, I made the crt for this and basically it’s based on the statements of hero association having unreliable rankings due to varying factors like speed or durability and the MA being specifically stated as being about raw power
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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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Unless future one-punch man books show the difference between these threat levels, we will assume they are the same in value.
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No lol, threat levels from the Hero Association are based on a bunch of factors outside of AP.
The story itself makes it clear that the threat level evaluations from the Hero Association are not really indicative of the battle power of a monster.
And the Hero Association itself is unreliable as well:
On the other hand threat levels from the Monster Association are based on a direct power level reading from Gyoro Gyoro, therefore they can be used for direct scaling. It's not that hard to understand.
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Boros bros and people who know what they’re talking about, we gotta save dark matter https://vsbattles.com/threads/boross-ship-rating-justification.150561/#post-5571002
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I like Boros, and I think he's meant to be one of the top tiers of the verse, but I'd rather him be a mid tier than have everyone else's scaling get f'ed up.
On the 8-A Genos, didn't he have a High-7C feat against Mosquito Girl?
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Almost everyone knows Boros is a top tier, but they don’t the balls to accept Boros scaling CRTs
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The fact that we stopped scaling him to orochi is more criminal than if we didn’t do it in the first place
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Boros scaling to Orochi has been soundly debunked. Get new arguments.
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By “debunked” you mean outvoted because the staff don’t like boros and/or completely ignore incredibly obvious author intent/narrative
but only when they feel like it because it’s okay when flashy flash is called “kinda fast” but not okay when Boros is considered strong on multiple occasions while basically forgetting Ororchi existed a few minutes after killing him.
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Are we really holding onto the idea that the staff personally dislike Boros?
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Yeah. It's pretty obvious that instead of Saitama clearly showing he doesn't care whoever he fights (which he literally stated) since the beginning of Hero Hunter arc to vs Cosmic Garou fight in several occasions is not enough proof. Why do yall staff hate Boros so much?
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the biggest problem with the anti Boros stuff is that most people here don’t really have the right mindset when it comes to supporting arguments
I mean when it comes to each individual instance of evidence for Boros scaling above orochi, there’s really nothing that can really be pointed to as the proof that Boros > Orochi
But when you have as many minor points as you do then it gets to the point where it’s basically just the truth
Boros being called strong not being enough evidence? Maybe. Boros being called strong + surviving his enduring his first normal punch + the data book saying him and saitama are the only 2 who fulfill the prophecy + orochi being implied to not be strong when saitama meets flashy flashy + orochi being blown completely apart by saitama’s first normal punch + Boros defeating literally everyone else in the universe + The implication that Boros broke his limiter (it was in a data book iirc, but also Boros’ statements about limitless and being beyond the limits of living flesh) + Genos’ data book statement that without saitama the prophecy may have come true and been destroyed + Boros being narratively portrayed as similar to saitama’s fight against the subterraneans + the he took damage panel + almost a real fight + another boros W + Boros being strong enough that saitama was able to distinguish him as being stronger than his previous opponents while he clearly showed no sign of that with Orochi
All of these are minor points by themselves, but the point here is that if you’re only taking evidence one at a time then you’re just not getting the bigger picture. Boros was very obviously meant to be stronger than Orochi and there is overwhelming quantities of implication in favor of it.
I mean when it comes to each individual instance of evidence for Boros scaling above orochi, there’s really nothing that can really be pointed to as the proof that Boros > Orochi
But when you have as many minor points as you do then it gets to the point where it’s basically just the truth
Boros being called strong not being enough evidence? Maybe. Boros being called strong + surviving his enduring his first normal punch + the data book saying him and saitama are the only 2 who fulfill the prophecy + orochi being implied to not be strong when saitama meets flashy flashy + orochi being blown completely apart by saitama’s first normal punch + Boros defeating literally everyone else in the universe + The implication that Boros broke his limiter (it was in a data book iirc, but also Boros’ statements about limitless and being beyond the limits of living flesh) + Genos’ data book statement that without saitama the prophecy may have come true and been destroyed + Boros being narratively portrayed as similar to saitama’s fight against the subterraneans + the he took damage panel + almost a real fight + another boros W + Boros being strong enough that saitama was able to distinguish him as being stronger than his previous opponents while he clearly showed no sign of that with Orochi
All of these are minor points by themselves, but the point here is that if you’re only taking evidence one at a time then you’re just not getting the bigger picture. Boros was very obviously meant to be stronger than Orochi and there is overwhelming quantities of implication in favor of it.
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Indeed. I am very vocal of this, myself.
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And I’m willing to say that Monster Garou is still stronger than Boros though, since Saitama was obviously going into the Garou fight with a different mindset than other fights since he didn’t plan to kill him and also was kinda just trying to play mind games with him, so of course he wouldn’t throw out a serious punch of call him strong to hype him up or anything
But Boros being >>> Orochi is more of a no brainer.
But Boros being >>> Orochi is more of a no brainer.
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Sorry, I’m not taking any more disciples at this time
But the kind words are appreciated
But the kind words are appreciated
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Flashy Flash being “kinda fast” came after Geryuganshoop, so that scaling actually makes sense. You want to scale Boros to statements made AFTER HE WAS ALREADY DEAD. It’s not the same, but you’ve been told this before and keep ignoring it, so meh.
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The biggest problem with the """""pro-Boros"""""" stuff is how half of this doesn't have enough context.
Orochi isn't an alien with spaceflight capability, so it's not really something you can argue with narrative support. They're different.
Also, I've looked since then, but I can't find it. I think I was just Mandela'ing you from a SeththeProgrammer (oof) video I saw some time ago.
As I've said before, Orochi got a constant stream of sacrifices between then and his death. So it's irrelevant at that point.
All of whom aren't Orochi, or necessarily as strong to our knowledge.
Orochi isn't an alien with spaceflight capability, so it's not really something you can argue with narrative support. They're different.
The entire point of Psykos' experiments was actually to break the limiters on monsters via resurrection, to the point where the chapter this concept is introduced is called Limiter and features Genus' explanation about limiters. Orochi is the only success, so he might fall into that category himself?
Also, I've looked since then, but I can't find it. I think I was just Mandela'ing you from a SeththeProgrammer (oof) video I saw some time ago.
He doesn't say flesh in general, just beyond the limit of living beings. It does suggest the same thing, but it also puts the statement heavily into question. Like, does he mean literally all possible living beings who don't have latent energy? If so, what exactly makes him the authority on superior beings who don't have it, like Saitama?
Which is referring to the CSRC exchange that caused the ship to fully collapse.
Not really, and Boros can't even remotely do anything to Saitama in a million years. At best, Saitama was a bit shocked by the CSRC.
He wasn't damaged, though. That was just what Boros believed, and Saitama instantly put him in his place by basically saying 'this is boring as ****. can we wrap it up?'
Potentially, and that's after the CSRC. And then he gets mixed into the stream right after, with Saitama practically disregarding him later.
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Actually I was more so meaning tatsumaki
Not necessarily, but the argument there is that it’s like a one in a quadrillion chance of there being anybody strong enough to fight Boros like saitama, which makes the chances of there being two people on the same planet who can fight Boros even lower.
Not sure what you meant, but either way it’s incredibly hard to believe that orochi just happened to be yet another person who’s just stronger than literally everyone else in the universe, the chances are just so low, and really the only one meant to be an exception is saitama.
Orochi was stated to have less potential than Garou, so it’s implied that orochi succeeded in weakening his limiter, but wasn’t able to break it the way Garou might have done after perfecting his fist. Although it’s kinda speculation if Garou did it at all, though I do believe he did. Regardless, him not having limitless potential means he didn’t break his limiter yet.
I recall that video as well actually but I don’t remember the source for the Boros limiter thing.
Sorry I was quoting anime Boros who says “living flesh”
Seemingly it’s just him saying that he’s beyond the limits of living beings, which is the limiter.
Alternatively, there’s Boros’ armor which he says is used to seal his limitless power, which also would line up with a broken limiter if he’s using a suit of armor instead.
Iirc there’s a panel of Boros running at saitama that matches saitama running at the subterraneans
Well no, the reason I brought it up was because it was the “narrator”, not Boros
And of course he wasn’t damaged, but it does imply that nobody had hit saitama that hard up until that point, which is true of course based on saitama’s statement. More importantly, it is just one of many ways that Boros is shown to be strong that orochi doesn’t have.
The csrc was a last ditch suicide move, so it’s questionable if it really factored into Boros being a strong guy rather than just having a strong final attack
him saying he was almost a real fight before that and repeatedly calling him strong seems to indicate that Boros was already stronger than the rest without even using csrc
but still, you can’t deny that saitama definitely makes a complete joke of orochi. When flashy flash brings up monster king orochi, Saitama assumes that the orochi flashy is talking about is the monster king’s dad and says something like “maybe he’ll be strong”, which of course implies that the actual orochi was not strong in his eyes.
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I really find it funny that you think Orochi is stronger than Boros. Perhaps in your wet dreams.
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Orochi does have better feats.
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Orochi has stronger feats (excluding csrc) while Boros has astronomically better implied scaling
Honestly I’m convinced that armored Boros would be able to low-mid diff orochi, just based off the fact that he took a normal punch while orochi got turned into mush by a normal punch
It just makes way too little narrative sense that Boros’ entire backstory is about how he relates to saitama as being able to effortlessly win every fight, and how nobody in the entire universe was able to even survive his released form, only for what Saitama referred to as “the bathtub monster who was splashing at me” to be a hundred times stronger than Boros somehow.
But at least Boros still beats Orochi via ftl speed blitz and moon kick.
Honestly I’m convinced that armored Boros would be able to low-mid diff orochi, just based off the fact that he took a normal punch while orochi got turned into mush by a normal punch
It just makes way too little narrative sense that Boros’ entire backstory is about how he relates to saitama as being able to effortlessly win every fight, and how nobody in the entire universe was able to even survive his released form, only for what Saitama referred to as “the bathtub monster who was splashing at me” to be a hundred times stronger than Boros somehow.
But at least Boros still beats Orochi via ftl speed blitz and moon kick.
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Ziller do you ever get tired of repeating yourself?
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Nope
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Persistent but ineffectual?
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I guess that makes you pureblood then
sucking the life out of opm upgrades until you get shot to death realizing that you will never defeat truly stop the boros W
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No, sometimes I feel like you guys dislike the verse in general, lmao.
Most people do. You are in the vast minority who do not think the evidence meets the burden of proof.
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you misread it
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It would be nice if we got some Boros bonus chapters about his backstory and some of the people he stomped throughout the universe
Maybe they could do something similar to that thing One wrote that had Boros as the main villain but it didn’t work because he was too strong and would defeat the main character
But I’m hoping Boris talks more about Boros at least, even if they’re not the same character.
Maybe they could do something similar to that thing One wrote that had Boros as the main villain but it didn’t work because he was too strong and would defeat the main character
But I’m hoping Boris talks more about Boros at least, even if they’re not the same character.
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He’s a fan favorite character, so the chances are never 0
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